VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

When does he say this? I don't actually recall talking to him after the beach chapter.

He says it before, when he and Lena meet at the club during Lena's work there. While you could make a point that this was before the sea trip photo session and things could've changed since then, Lena doesn't mention this possibility at the start of Ch.14 when she discusses her Axel situation with Ivy, even on paths where Cindy and Wade had a messy breakup. She just tells Ivy that according to Axel he and Cindy aren't sleeping together and how this makes Axel's actions even more confusing.

 

[BlandChili]

He says it before, when he and Lena meet at the club during Lena's work there. While you could make a point that this was before the sea trip photo session and things could've changed since then, Lena doesn't mention this possibility at the start of Ch.14 when she discusses her Axel situation with Ivy, even on paths where Cindy and Wade had a messy breakup. She just tells Ivy that according to Axel he and Cindy aren't sleeping together and how this makes Axel's actions even more confusing.

Oh, well I don't really think that means anything then. Axel wasn't having sex with Cindy at the point he said so to Lena, that could have changed by now. I guess we'll have to actually meet him, or Cindy, again with Lena to really find out then.

 

[OneShotLarry]

I wonder if Jack will show up at the Nymph orgy...I mean...party.

 

[Agha]

I wonder if Jack will show up at the Nymph orgy...I mean...party.

Maybe it will Happen

 

[Gicoo]

Interestingly enough on all paths we hear from Axel as Lena that he and Cindy don't have sex, which... on one hand, Axel could be lying for whatever reason, but i'm not sure if there's any real reason for him to do it.

Axel always lying about that would be as simple that he doesn't want to piss off Lena. Telling your ex girlfriend you are still interested in that you fucked a new girl when she confronts you about it is easily a bad move, especially since Cindy has/had a boyfriend and got the wildcat job from him, to the disadvantage of Ivy and possibly Lena.

 

[Lonesdale]

Haven't found any info about it, but is it possible to force enable/click greyed out options in current dialogue? Through console or else? I thought I've saw something like that somewhere, but can't find it now....

 

[DaLuke2]

I think the problem here is that Lena isn't necessarily nothing but an artful, nerdy girl on all her paths. Her songwriting as serious aspirations are just an option (you can define Lena as having many potential goals in life, and songwriting will only really be mentioned down the road if you make it explicit focus) And if you give her Lust background, Lena's aspirations, life path and values turn much more Ivy-like.

To be honest, i also don't really buy this apparent supposed mutual exclusivity of "nerdy girl with interest in artful things can't possibly so openly lust for cock, it's totally not in her character" because, just look around you. There's tons of nerds right here, some with artful aspirations, who are spending their time on what's bordering on obsession with wank material. And some of them are women, too. So i don't think there's really anything in the game that would explicitly oppose the idea that Lena could also be this sort of a multi-faceted person. That she can't possibly be, i don't believe this to be anything more than personal headcanon..?

Ok, two things:

1. Your "Her songwriting as serious aspirations are just an option" is wrong, which means I have now managed to catch you offguard for the second time. Before the meeting with Holly and possibly Ian, her passion for sonwriting IS canon, she insists on it talking to Lola. "not serving coffee or modelling, but writing and playing songs, this is what I really want, you know that Lola right ?" (out of memory). Then, indeed, at Ian's date you have the option "it used to be", but not because she is not interested anymore, but because she fears it is unrealistic. And then, yes, there is the date with Holly, and then you get the option to change the focus, and my point is exactly that: I already find this diversification to be poorly written. The lust option "right now I focus on modelling" is poor, the charisma option of "enjoying life in different ways" us even poorer.

What's even poorer, worse, inconsistent, is that then Holly reminds her that she talked about her passion for songwriting, Lena replies "oh it is just a hobby", while a couple of days before she was telling Lola how songwriting her only passion. = inconsistent and poor.

2. I do not know why I do not manage to make myself understood, so I have no other choice but to repeat myself:

Again, I insist I have no problem with Lena having a lust for cock. My problem is how EK writes this lust for cock. I know I repeat myself but it seems I have to: my problem is not the existence of a slut path, it is the poor writing on this slut path.

As I've written before, actually the slut path was my main playthrough until Chapter 9. But then, at Chapter 10 I surprised myself skipping dialogues and even skipping lewd scenes: = I was bored. This boredom has never left me on the slut path since then.

That's when I discovered the romance path, and realized it was much better written.

I insist: it is not the lust for cock that I dislike, it is the poor writing.

 

[DaLuke2]

I wonder if Jack will show up at the Nymph orgy...I mean...party.

There is a strong chance he will, and that he will be an additional candidate for the MFM.

Tyrone's gang might turn up too, and I can't start to imagine the options then.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Before the meeting with Holly and possibly Ian, her passion for sonwriting IS canon, she insists on it talking to Lola.

I didn't know she wanted to write songs for her future son, that's really sweet.

Nah but real talk, the reason why she says it's a "hobby" to others while telling Lola that it's her passion...that's not inconsistent writing. That's just her feeling insecure about it. Lola can't tell her it's not a good idea or that it's silly, she's a cat. But others? They might say things she doesn't want to hear, or they might even demean her. Her insecurity is valid and it's implied without it being in your face.

 

[stuffygames]

her passion for sonwriting IS canon

Passions and realities are often not the same. I agree she is passionate about it, but is also working non stop at the beginning of the game trying to keep her head above water, with sick parents etc., she is stressed out and needs a little fun too.

but not because she is not interested anymore

She also doesn't have her old songs (held captive by evil Axel) or a guitar at the start.

Lena having a lust for cock

I like that she can have both a passion for an artistic pursuit, and a lust for cock! I think that is also what ffive is getting at.

The level of the writing is subjective, you may not like it, others may love it, just like characters in the game have their own fan groups and haters. It isn't easy writing for a broad audience, and EK's own preferences shape the story. You may be right that there wasn't as much effort put into the writing on certain paths, or it could just be your own prefrence in writing. The fact that we argue about it shows it's at least engaging.

Too often the standard for what is hot for a male character is way different than for a female character. The social norms for men and women dictate what beliefs we have about what roles each should have. So a male character can have a harem in a game, and if it's written ok with acceptable art it's very popular. The same on the female side makes her a slut, or on the slut path, which is negative most of the time, bad endings, etc. It's hard to break free of this double standard, both in the games and in our brains.

 

[stuffygames]

does Mike love path strictly have to be you're not a couple with Ian?

I don't think so, nothing has been finalized yet and in the latest update you get a lot more "love" options with different characters thatn previous chapters. If Lena is a cheater after the beach and you have been keeping the relationship with Mike going you definitely get the option to "try" and become a couple with Mike in ch14. He can get blocked out if you miss an opportunity with him, choose someone else to hookup with etc.

On a faithful to Ian path I doubt it, it might depend on how much Lena went after Mike the whole game, but usually if Ian/Lena are committed you get no choice but to drop seeing other people, though Seymour puts a wrench in that too.

 

[stuffygames]

everyone believes Cindy did sleep with Axel

on all paths we hear from Axel as Lena that he and Cindy don't have sex

If Lena stops in Baluart to meet Axel on the way to the beach they also talk about Cindy (Lena choice), and he denies. Ian and Cindy can discuss it, and Cindy gets all bitchy when Ian finds the pics from the Wild Cats shoot, and chooses to snoop. I think this is after the beach, but I don't know for sure.

Given Axel's personality and history, I think he wouldn't be averse to lying about anything. The only scene is a pic of Cindy with his hand on her ass, and her in bed implying they maybe might have sort of had sex.

 

[stuffygames]

enable/click greyed out options

This should help you.

 

[ffive]

Given Axel's personality and history, I think he wouldn't be averse to lying about anything. The only scene is a pic of Cindy with his hand on her ass, and her in bed implying they maybe might have sort of had sex.

I didn't mean it that Axel was somehow above lying. But rather, if his goal is to make Lena jealous then revealing he fucks another girl could help him in this goal more than harm it. And if he doesn't care about Lena and is indeed over her like he claims, then there's also no need to hide whether he fucks someone else; it'd drive the "i'm over you" point home.

 

[ffive]

1. Your "Her songwriting as serious aspirations are just an option" is wrong, which means I have now managed to catch you offguard for the second time. Before the meeting with Holly and possibly Ian, her passion for sonwriting IS canon, she insists on it talking to Lola.

Quite literally, no:

        i "What about you, Lena? What are you passionate about?"
        l "Me? Oh..."
        menu:
            "Writing songs":
                $ lena_passion = "song"
//...
            "Enjoying life":
                $ lena_passion = "life"
//...
            "Modeling":
                $ lena_passion = "model"
//...
            "Making money":
                $ lena_passion = "money"

You set Lena's passion in Ch.3, like you mention. And before that, Lena's "canonical" passion is, wait for it...

default lena_passion = "n"

... that's right, she doesn't have a canonical passion. At least not anymore. That variable could just as easily start as "song" if what you believe was true. It does not.

Note, even if it was a default preset, it wouldn't really mean anything in this context. Present Lena is what the players make her. (and those choices shape her past as well as her present) Thus, the talk how she is always some sort of domesticated nerdy song-writer who would never want cock, this is something you potentially set for her in the game, or you don't. If you don't, this doesn't somehow make it a non-Lena behavior. It's just behavior of that particular Lena. In the same way you shape Ian into a chad or a "nice guy", a cheater or a faithful lover, someone with interest in martial arts or someone who couldn't care less.

Now, you are right that Lena does talk about song-writing as her real interest very early in the game. But given how things change afterwards, i think this is more likely just an early draft that EK has changed her mind on later, and that early dialogue never got adjusted to account for it. lena_passion as variable only got introduced in Ch.3, which is probably when EK came up with this idea. Lena's background similarly appears as a variable even later, in Ch.12.

Again, I insist I have no problem with Lena having a lust for cock. My problem is how EK writes this lust for cock. I know I repeat myself but it seems I have to: my problem is not the existence of a slut path, it is the poor writing on this slut path.

I understand that you feel the writing for the slut path is over the top, and it's to the point where you'd mention lack of realism, first in general and then limited specifically to Lena's core character. But, well. I think we'll just have to disagree here. While excessive purple prose is not my sort of thing and yes, i might find it silly myself, i also accept this is more of intentional exaggeration. Just like romance path has its own share of exaggerated lovey-dovey monologues... except those are apparently easier to swallow (but no doubt, some find it just as boring as "cock cock cock, rawr")

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

I didn't mean it that Axel was somehow above lying. But rather, if his goal is to make Lena jealous then revealing he fucks another girl could help him in this goal more than harm it. And if he doesn't care about Lena and is indeed over her like he claims, then there's also no need to hide whether he fucks someone else; it'd drive the "i'm over you" point home.

Or maybe he hasn't changed in his ways and he's still the same. Sleeping around with hot women while pinning after his former girlfriend and trying to win her over, while intending to still secretly sleep with other women behind her back.

It's a pattern, not an exception. Everything we know about him is still the exact same Axel that Lena talked about to her friends all throughout. I have a feeling that Cindy will end up dating Axel unless Ian ends up dating her and trying to go for exclusivity. It does seem like they're being perfectly setup for it, but who knows how that'll go. Maybe Cindy will end up avoiding him in the future if Ian says the right things despite having nothing going on too.

 

[TangerineTango]

Havent played since Chapter 13 was completed but I got a few things to ask and wanna share after playing 14 so far.

1. This choice reminds me of that one choice in GGGB, specifically the one that locks the fem mc down a specific path. So I were to wager and if ORS will follow suite as well as this choice actually having an effect, I bet 1st one will be a the bimbo path for Lena but more focused on her involvment with NYMPH. However, if Lena's not on a slut route, I'm guessing she'd be famous for her musical career? As for the money part, I'm assuming its either locking her down as Seymour's sugar baby or (I forgot the guy's name but the one who owned the mansion)'s sugar baby. Basically the sugar daddy path. The last one probably just makes Lena full on slut or probably end up whoring herself out or becoming a pornstar maybe.



2. huh.... he's gay? Explains a lot.


3. I have 4 play through routes and none of them were able to unlock this scene, what are the requirements needed to get Lena giving Mike a BJ while he's on call with his ex?



4. I really do wonder how this storyline is going to go now that Zarina is seeding doubt into Lena's head that maybe Ivy isn't a good friend to her. She does have a point that Ivy is self centered and jealous at Lena, but at the same time, us the players also have the option not to feed into Ivy's vanity or worst impulses keeping her centered. I do think however at shit unfolds, there's going to be a possibility that Ivy betrays Lena at some point depending on your choices? Or hell, maybe even Lena throwing Ivy under the bus given her specific life choices. I still think though Ivy is helping Axel get back with Lena.



5. Jeremy really folded that quickly when Lena stripped naked lmao.



5. There was this old debate or still on going debate, not sure since I don't frequent the thread anymore, about how Lena path has more choices when it comes to the female's sex fantasy vs. the male one. In other words, the lack of the harem path. I get that ORS is supposed to be more realistic than GGGB but the fact that by chap 14, were actively talking about relationships and polyamory. I really do hope that we could at least get a quadrouple with Lena, Holly, Ian and Emma, heck maybe even just a foursome at this point but I doubt it since I remember Eva Kiss saying she's ending ORS in a few more chapters (Is this still true?) and that would necessitate building a relationship between Emma and Holly rather quickly. But a guy can dream, hell' ill even just settle for a throuple between Emma and Lena at this point.



6. Considering Lena can get a Queen of Spades Tattoo, is there even enough black characters for this path? I mean we only have Marcel and Jeremy at this point. I still find that not enough for a path like that XD. I mean we could get more characters in later chapters but i don't know, if ORS is ending in only a few more chapters, will it be enough?

Lastly, damn, this some hot shit:

 

[ffive]

Or maybe he hasn't changed in his ways and he's still the same. Sleeping around with hot women while pinning after his former girlfriend and trying to win her over, while intending to still secretly sleep with other women behind her back.

I mean maybe but in this case it's like i said -- he has no reason to hide he fucks other girls while he's single, since it'd just make Lena even more jealous.

 

[ffive]

3. I have 4 play through routes and none of them were able to unlock this scene, what are the requirements needed to get Lena giving Mike a BJ while he's on call with his ex?

    if lena_mike_love or lena_mike_dating and v14_lena_drug == 3:
//...
        if lena_mike_love:
            if lena_charisma > 7 and lena_lust > 7 or v14_lena_drug == 3:
                menu:
                    "{image=icon_charisma.webp}+{image=icon_lust.webp}Claim Mike":
//...
            else:
                menu:
                    "{image=icon_will.webp}Claim Mike" if lena_will > 0:

Lena needs to be in love with Mike and have either high enough charisma and lust (both at 8+) or be simply high.

(she can buy that bj with a will point otherwise)

 

[stuffygames]

Lastly, damn, this some hot shit:

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Definitely hot, the last pic though, where she is riding (which is used in a lot in this ep) is weird.