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Poor Ian, The players like to see him suffer, like Eric in GGGB.
Nah, I always play Ian as an absolute Chad. I generally even play Lena as a bit more chaste, until this absolute bed-shitting chapter where no matter how you played the game, she becomes a pornstar in a gangbang out of the blue.

Honestly, I am salty about how god awful this recent chapter was.
 

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Nah, I always play Ian as an absolute Chad. I generally even play Lena as a bit more chaste, until this absolute bed-shitting chapter where no matter how you played the game, she becomes a pornstar in a gangbang out of the blue.

Honestly, I am salty about how god awful this recent chapter was.
I'm not sure we played the same chapter then lol
As a rule of thumb, taking drugs may impact the choices available to you.
If your Lena isn't taking Stalkfap seriously (i.e. only artistic nudes), has a relatively low Passion (below 8, I think) and doesn't take the drugs on both days, the whole chapter is just a normal vacation for her. It's pretty easy to not get involved in naughty activities. Even that Anthony guy is actually pretty aware of boundaries and kinda respectful which was quite a shock ngl, as an example you can have a mutual masturbation session and he doesn't even try to touch you if you don't (or can't) egg him on.
 

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I generally even play Lena as a bit more chaste, until this absolute bed-shitting chapter where no matter how you played the game, she becomes a pornstar in a gangbang out of the blue.
Wait, what? I haven't even played my Lena all that chaste (she's had her things with Axel and Ivy, both behind Ian's back) and she didn't do any sort of a gangbang, much less one without any input.
 
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Hi, I need help again with a route; I'm not quite clear on how to access it.

I want to access Ian's cuckold route (please no spoilers, lol), but I'm not sure how. Logically, I think he has to be in a committed relationship and not have an open relationship and still not have sex with her.

I've already tried twice, starting over, and I just realized that Jeremy was messing with me. I was trying to make it a BBC (Best Friends with Benefits) route and start the cuckold thing, but apparently, if you go that route, he rejects you, and at best, you end up as friends with benefits. I assume that's not the route.

I've also seen that you can have an open relationship, but I also assume that's not the route.

So, to avoid doing the third route for nothing, I'm asking how to access this route.

I imagine you can open the other routes (Robert/Mike/etc.) but don't show interest in big dicks, and then he'll accept the relationship. But I'm not sure, and I'm worried about starting for the third time and messing it up again. Can you help me, please?
 
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Hi, I need help again with a route; I'm not quite clear on how to access it.

I want to access Ian's cuckold route (please no spoilers, lol), but I'm not sure how. Logically, I think he has to be in a committed relationship and not have an open relationship and still not have sex with her.

I've already tried twice, starting over, and I just realized that Jeremy was messing with me. I was trying to make it a BBC (Best Friends with Benefits) route and start the cuckold thing, but apparently, if you go that route, he rejects you, and at best, you end up as friends with benefits. I assume that's not the route.

I've also seen that you can have an open relationship, but I also assume that's not the route.

So, to avoid doing the third route for nothing, I'm asking how to access this route.

I imagine you can open the other routes (Robert/Mike/etc.) but don't show interest in big dicks, and then he'll accept the relationship. But I'm not sure, and I'm worried about starting for the third time and messing it up again. Can you help me, please?
As it currently stands, Lena won't commit to a relationship with Ian if she's fucked Jeremy on the first opportunity available ( when louise goes out and leaves him in her room), you do get other chances later, if I'm not mistaken.
At that point in the game Lena's just not that messed up in the head, it happens slowly as you commit to the route.

The cuck route is pretty simple, reject sex with Ian but still commit to a relationship with him, sleep around for the entire game, and as Ian look at Gillian's pictures at the start of the game and make a pretty obvious choice when he dreams of her later on, "move on" on ch12. When Lena's giving handjobs and such ask about her experiences with other people. Strictly speaking you actually can have sex with Ian and start rejecting him later and still be on the route (just not the "pure cuck" route), I think the trigger is actually Ian asking for her experiences and a choice after meeting Gillian.
All in all it's one of the less enjoyable routes, I've found, to me it's pretty boring just going through the motions as Ian on it. Beats Robert's though.
Pure lovey-dovey, rainbow-puking, cutesy Trinity route its the true(tm) canon path.
 

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Villains are very often characters with negative traits exaggerated to cartoon levels. This is something i personally don't find interesting at all, and my appreciation for Cindy's character comes very much from how her character is grounded and realistic in this regard -- she has flaws, but they're the sort of flaws you'll find in a normal human being and this is actually quite rare in fiction.
You certainly only refer to villains in AVNs. Villains in literature, such as Grouchegnka in the brothers Karamazov or the Thénardier couple in Les Misérables, or Margarita in The Master and Margarita, are some of the best-written characters in the History of fiction.

Is Cindy realistic ? By all means yes, realism is probably one of the most admirable traits in EK's work. But it does not make her interesting.

Vanilla Wits Lena is realistic AND interesting (slut Lena is neither).
 

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You clearly haven't had the pleasure of meeting a social media brain-rot drug fiend party girl whose motto is "live fast, die young". They exist, but are in the minority. So, I'd say it's pretty realistic.
 
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You clearly haven't had the pleasure of meeting a social media brain-rot drug fiend party girl whose motto is "live fast, die young". They exist, but are in the minority. So, I'd say it's pretty realistic.
I have, but they are nothing like Lena in the early chapters. The corruption path rings false in this game. For all females actually, Alison, Lena and Holly, all their corruption paths are poorly executed, especially compared to the other paths.

BTW I have found real life Lena and Seymour:

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I have, but they are nothing like Lena in the early chapters. The corruption path rings false in this game. For all females actually, Alison, Lena and Holly, all their corruption paths are poorly executed, especially compared to the other paths.

BTW I have found real life Lena and Seymour:
Alison - Fertility window is closing soon, and she needs a stable partner ASAP. If Ian has not shown any interest from the beginning, then she goes to full peacocking mode to lure him—no condom talks in the side chick path, dying her hair and getting piercings.

Holly - Went from casually dating a guy from the club to GH. Seems very fast, but you have to take into account that she was drugged by that skank Ivy. She was also being coerced subtly by the girls into that "independent" lifestyle. Having no friends to having literal 10s around you who acknowledge you makes you fall for the "Hero's Worship" trap.

Lena - This version of Lena falls under the dumb, money-hungry, broken type of girl. IDK man, she sounds pretty stupid to me anyway in that path, and it's my least played.

Corruption takes years to manifest properly; for a game timeline, it's alright.
 

sztrb

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Holly's slut path isn't even that unrealistic. Its just too fast. At least the going to suck dick to getting railed in a gloryhole.

I've "dated" a few religiously devout girls, and in my experience, they were generally far more willing to partake in risky behaviour (rawdogging, public sex, creampies and anal sex) on a much faster scale than girls they accused of being sluts.
 

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I remember playing the first game from this developer, I think most of the artworks been traced back then from adult videos, is it still the same with this game or art is completely original?
 
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I have, but they are nothing like Lena in the early chapters. The corruption path rings false in this game. For all females actually, Alison, Lena and Holly, all their corruption paths are poorly executed, especially compared to the other paths.

BTW I have found real life Lena and Seymour:

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Sean Connery as Seymour is a great cast though I find it tough to picture him doing some of the things Simpmore does lol. The actress I don't know but she's very pretty. Give her some blue contact lenses and she's set. Saerwen what are your thoughts on Sean Connery starring as Sir?
 

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Now that Lena's got her first taste of a threesome, I'm excited where it goes from here. We know that she's in talks with Wade when in a cuck relationship with Ian. And if he has a good relationship with Jeremy, he'd be involved too. I imagine that if none of those were an option in your playthrough, she'd probably organize a gangbang scene for her Stalkfap account. Would make her DP dream come true.
 
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As it currently stands, Lena won't commit to a relationship with Ian if she's fucked Jeremy on the first opportunity available ( when louise goes out and leaves him in her room), you do get other chances later, if I'm not mistaken.
At that point in the game Lena's just not that messed up in the head, it happens slowly as you commit to the route.

The cuck route is pretty simple, reject sex with Ian but still commit to a relationship with him, sleep around for the entire game, and as Ian look at Gillian's pictures at the start of the game and make a pretty obvious choice when he dreams of her later on, "move on" on ch12. When Lena's giving handjobs and such ask about her experiences with other people. Strictly speaking you actually can have sex with Ian and start rejecting him later and still be on the route (just not the "pure cuck" route), I think the trigger is actually Ian asking for her experiences and a choice after meeting Gillian.
All in all it's one of the less enjoyable routes, I've found, to me it's pretty boring just going through the motions as Ian on it. Beats Robert's though.
Pure lovey-dovey, rainbow-puking, cutesy Trinity route its the true(tm) canon path.
Well, I can't get it to work.
I've rejected sex with Ian but we're still in the relationship. I've been flirting with Roberth and Louise, and with Seymour and Axel. I've made it clear to Robert that they're just friends with benefits, but when Ian asks him to be her boyfriend, he rejects him.
I haven't done anything with Jeremy.

I tried having them do 69 after the fight with Roberth, then cuddle up and activate Lena_ian_love, but they have sex in the morning.

From what I understand, there has to be some way for her to accept a relationship with Ian without having sex with him, and having tried all the other routes except Jeremy's, but I can't manage it; he always rejects me no matter what alternatives I try.
 
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whamma

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As others have said, Ash can drive Eva and Bernard to suicide, murder someone in cold blood, murder someone else in self defense, drug and prostitute out Iris, prostitute out Monica, the questionable portrayal of Jasmine as a trans character, the incest, the incest baby,
If these things were so controversial and so bad even to the community, then it'd be no issue to just remove them entirely right? Who cares if Eva removes them. The original version would still be there for you to play. GGGB is still worth your time and is better in some aspects compared to ORS and I wish for her to remake it someday with her updated artstyle.
 

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All in all it's one of the less enjoyable routes, I've found, to me it's pretty boring just going through the motions as Ian on it.
The problem with the cuck route is that it starts almost halfway through the story. It's not fully developed yet. And even once you get it along, they're still at the stage of discussing their fantasies and what ifs which I understand because you don't wanna just go straight into Ian sitting on the chair as he watches Lena fuck another guy after like 2 chapters. But at the same time, it's going so slow that you just want them to get it over with and actually do something with that relationship. Why go through all that effort when you could get Ian and Lena to fuck each other's brains out with them or with other people. Doesn't help that their scenes are kind of mid too.
 
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