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- Jan 10, 2018
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Agree, for the most part. There's no such thing a "multiple protagonist" stories/games/etc. What you have is multiple point-of-view (POV) characters. Multiple POV stories are all right in those cases, like ASoIaF or LotR, where the different POV characters are not interacting, and it isn't really possible for the author to use a protagonist because the author has no way to let the protagonist know about important story events taking place elsewhere in thew story.
Story immersion comes when the reader/player feels like they are experiencing the story through the eyes of the protagonist. If the author tells the audience more than the character knows, immersion is lost. Sometimes that's inevitable due to the story, but that's seldom true in games. There's no reason why this story could not be told using a single protagonist on a given playthrough. Make separate MMC and FMC stories if desired, by all means. Just don't remove all the relationship tension by having the player give the answer to all questions from both sides.
I play this game that way, playing the Lena story and just using the skip key when we get to Ian, and then the reverse. It still is a bit spoiled, but there's less of the jarring, rip-me-out-of-immersion feeling you get when you switch bask and forth and have forgotten what happened to a character by the time you get back to them.
Novels are increasingly dropping the protagonist-driven story in favor of POV stories because it is easier. The author in POV stories doesn't have to figure out how the main character finds things out, because they can just create a POV character to witness whatever it is. Games seem to be going the same way.
Pity.
- May 5, 2017
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There seems to be a bug for me when purchasing the fancy new dress for Lena. If I have the funds, I can choose to buy it, but Lena says something about her money being put to better use on something else. It gives the impression that she decides not to get it, but then it's in your inventory and you don't get charged for it. So free dress somehow. Not that I'm complaining lol.
perry is such a fucking deadweight, you are killing my vibe with allison dude.
mc already got cucked by jeremy trying to smal talk the girl. fuck this im out
mc already got cucked by jeremy trying to smal talk the girl. fuck this im out
- Feb 7, 2018
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Sorry, I expressed myself wrong: AFAIK there is no official love relationship between Lena and Holly if Jan loves both. So a 3-some is still not possible and I hope that Eva will make this possible in the next update.
- Jun 10, 2017
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I've been trying out a few variations and still can't seem to get the scene you mentioned. Did you get any closer to finding out the right variables?
- May 15, 2017
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Could someone tell me does this game have sex sound effects? because looking at this changelog it looks like it might.
v0.9 Remastered Alpha - 2022/04/08
v0.9 Remastered Alpha - 2022/04/08
- Remaster of CH1-9
SPOILER - New Tutorial
- New Difficulty Levels
- Complete stats revision and balancing
- 7 New music tracks
- Ambient music and sfx overhaul
- Fixed bugs, created new bugs
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- Nov 25, 2017
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I don't relate to the various complaints about the multiple protagonist setup, but I think I intellectually understand it.
It doesn't work as well if if the player is locked into a particular viewpoint, such as some male players finding it difficult to relate to female characters, leading them to not want to play a female protagonist. Vice versa for some players with a male protagonist, although the female protagonist issue is more common because erotic VNs are a male-dominated hobby.
It doesn't work as well if some players might relate to one of the protagonists but otherwise doesn't care for what that protagonist is going through or trying to do. This happens for me with a lot of male protag games where the game is focused on something like trying to make a harem out of his family. I relate to being a horny guy, but don't care for that particular type of story.
It also doesn't work as well if the players put themselves really strongly in the shoes of one of the protagonists, and then switching protagonists becomes jarring. Maybe this is related to the immersion idea that Joe Steel raised. I tend to adopt the character's perspectives lightly, so I don't experience that jarring feeling, and when the day changes and the name changes from Ian to Lena or from Lena to Ian, I can mentally prep and switch. But I could see it being a problem otherwise.
I think multiple protag works best if you're flexible, can relate to both protagonists, are somewhat invested or interested in what happens to both of them, while not being too immersed in one perspective. When that happens, you can make choices for one protagonist while you as the player are more aware of the day-to-day context in which the other protagonist lives and what choices they're facing. It starts to feel like a real world with everyone facing complex challenges and circumstances, not just one person. I'm thinking of the scene at the bar where Ian notes that he heard from Lena that Louise and Stan don't get along, which is a superficial observation from Ian's perspective, but you (as Lena) have had actual interaction with that dislike and know how tense it is and how Lena struggles with that situation.
It doesn't work as well if if the player is locked into a particular viewpoint, such as some male players finding it difficult to relate to female characters, leading them to not want to play a female protagonist. Vice versa for some players with a male protagonist, although the female protagonist issue is more common because erotic VNs are a male-dominated hobby.
It doesn't work as well if some players might relate to one of the protagonists but otherwise doesn't care for what that protagonist is going through or trying to do. This happens for me with a lot of male protag games where the game is focused on something like trying to make a harem out of his family. I relate to being a horny guy, but don't care for that particular type of story.
It also doesn't work as well if the players put themselves really strongly in the shoes of one of the protagonists, and then switching protagonists becomes jarring. Maybe this is related to the immersion idea that Joe Steel raised. I tend to adopt the character's perspectives lightly, so I don't experience that jarring feeling, and when the day changes and the name changes from Ian to Lena or from Lena to Ian, I can mentally prep and switch. But I could see it being a problem otherwise.
I think multiple protag works best if you're flexible, can relate to both protagonists, are somewhat invested or interested in what happens to both of them, while not being too immersed in one perspective. When that happens, you can make choices for one protagonist while you as the player are more aware of the day-to-day context in which the other protagonist lives and what choices they're facing. It starts to feel like a real world with everyone facing complex challenges and circumstances, not just one person. I'm thinking of the scene at the bar where Ian notes that he heard from Lena that Louise and Stan don't get along, which is a superficial observation from Ian's perspective, but you (as Lena) have had actual interaction with that dislike and know how tense it is and how Lena struggles with that situation.
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- Apr 12, 2020
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Nice, new update. Now I have time to play the Remastered version while I wait for BloodyMares to finish the WT for Chapter 10
I think this is exactly what she was trying to do. The original title (which afaik was Doors and Cages or something) gives a similar idea. You’ve made a bunch of decisions and that opens a bunch of opportunities for Ian and Lena’s relationships, but in other ways they’re starting to become caged into certain paths.
I don’t think we’ve really had a chapter where we’re mostly dealing with consequences of our decisions and how it effects other characters (Ivy commentating on Ian and Cindy, Lena’s stalkfap, consequences for Holly based on what you’ve done, Axels different responses if Ian’s revealed his relationship with Lena etc.) I thought it was really cool tbh.
Where do you find the points in the code? Are you opening a file via UnRen or just looking at the save file in notepad?
- Jun 1, 2020
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Even if i dont act like a cuck, whatever I do, I wont get the enjoyment like Axel or Jeremy is getting from girls by playing as Ian. The maledom, kinky, hardcore, netori content Jeremy is getting will never be able to match what Ian is getting. Sure, If you are a lover of romance, Ian is the best of all Male characters. But, if you take hardcore sexual kinks, I think cuck comes first for Ian.
- Jul 13, 2022
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fuck me perry is such a sad sack