VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ottoeight]

I'm not saying that selling the house is illogical and stupid decision. Just that it takes its toll on Edwin's 'narrative'

We have different Edwins in this game.

This game is not a simple matter of choose-your-own-bitches-to-fuck. Bromance and toughness points make a difference and shape different Edwins.

 

[Fapparition]

We have different Edwins in this game.

This game is not a simple matter of choose-your-own-bitches-to-fuck. Bromance and toughness points make a difference and shape different Edwins.

Sorry, I'm not sure what are you trying to prove to me here anymore. I feel like there is miscommunication. I know we can influence over Edwin's character, to make his sadistic side overcome virtuous one and vice versa etc. But we cannot change his past and that's what I'm referring to when I talk about the 'narrative'. It's a story about Vicky being a martyr inside Edwin's mind. It is there no matter what choices you make

 

[nonethatmatters]

But the club isn't behind it. That's just people taking Grace's "Chuck told me" and running double marathon with it.

But clearly Edwin and Ian was acquainted at the point when Vicky got to Donny and Donny is clearly under August.

Tell me for someone like Chuck would he have not be informed of this situation considering that he holds Edwin in high regard only because he helped Ian through that phase of his life?

And clearly he has shown it to Ian's mother of what she has done to Grace not just told her for how much she emphasise that he tells her everything.

 

[XxXGhost]

Anyone still not sharing a save game

 

[nonethatmatters]

A very interesting read. Just want to add my 2 cents.

Fully agree about how Edwin created a narrative in his mind about Vicky being a martyr and how Donovan's videos are destroying it, making her look like a whore rather than a martyr. Now there is also the matter of selling the house. As far as I remember, after Edwin's father's death they weren't on brink of poverty, Vicky did porn so she could keep the house. And her decision to sell it now basically nullifies her sacrifice. "What was the point of going through all of this if you are going to sell it anyway?"

The dates of the videos thing feels far-fetched though. As i said, they weren't on brink of poverty, Vicky had a job and, most likely, some savings. She didn't need a new source of income immediately. Thus, her entering into porn industry only after a while since her husband's death doesn't look suspicious to me.

Also can't agree with the 'theory' part. As I see it, Edwin as a character has this vile, sadistic 'core' similar to Kathleen but after he sees Vicky in tears Edwin builds a shell around the 'core' that suppreses all the deviant tendencies. The shell of being a good, virtuous man. And later, after discovering his mother's past, uses the narrative to strengthen it. The narrative is the vital part of this shell and without it the shell will collapse which will expose the core and turn him into male version of Kathleen (which is exactly what Kathleen wants as she can sense sadistic nature within Edwin and wants to have a kindred soul around her). This is what Edwin is afraid of and tries to prevent, imo

And do keep in mind when we tell Ian the truth Edwin clearly says that he does not discuss the "why" even though he himself considers her to be a devout mother, but the next sentence stating "for the thrill" may mean that he himself is in doubt.

 

[JustAlexKing]

Anyone know the names of all girls + what game they're from in Donovan's room (the poster), i recognize Joanna from The Inn and Jessica from Ripple, no idea what are the 2 girls on the poster behind Donovan's back.

 

[Alfius]

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[ModiThorrson]

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Way back before the date with hana you have the option to tell mina about hana, apparently you didn't.

 

[ffive]

But clearly Edwin and Ian was acquainted at the point when Vicky got to Donny and Donny is clearly under August.

Tell me for someone like Chuck would he have not be informed of this situation considering that he holds Edwin in high regard only because he helped Ian through that phase of his life?

Why would Donovan bother to tell August about one of many girls who auditioned for him, and why would August tell Chuck about it? Neither Donovan nor August would be aware Victoria is someone related to some boy who happens to be a friend of Chuck's 13-or-so years old nephew?

Even if Donovan told August and August informed Chuck, this doesn't mean "the club was behind it" but merely that Chuck was aware of this development.

 

[ffive]

Where did I go wrong?

When Hana became Edwin's GF you should've come clear about it and called off the bucket list deal with Mina, instead of fucking her in the hotel.

 

[TD1900]

Anyone know the names of all girls + what game they're from in Donovan's room (the poster), i recognize Joanna from The Inn and Jessica from Ripple, no idea what are the 2 girls on the poster behind Donovan's back.

The two remaining cameos are:

- Oppai Odyssey (Space Deep Throat)​

- N2's games, Serenity and Last Human (1,000 Convicts and a Catgirl)​

Thank for mentioning them because I spent a silly amount of time looking through classic porn posters and finding the ones I wanted to copy.

 

[Ottoeight]

And do keep in mind when we tell Ian the truth Edwin clearly says that he does not discuss the "why" even though he himself considers her to be a devout mother, but the next sentence stating "for the thrill" may mean that he himself is in doubt.

Edwin tells himself more than once that he wonders why she did what she did.

Why would Donovan bother to tell August about one of many girls who auditioned for him, and why would August tell Chuck about it? Neither Donovan nor August would be aware Victoria is someone related to some boy who happens to be a friend of Chuck's 13-or-so years old nephew?

Even if Donovan told August and August informed Chuck, this doesn't mean "the club was behind it" but merely that Chuck was aware of this development.

My simple explanation: Chuck just recognised her while he was watching a porn.

 

[Alfius]

When Hana became Edwin's GF you should've come clear about it and called off the bucket list deal with Mina, instead of fucking her in the hotel.

I'm not sure about this one.... As far as I know, you are then not on Mina's path anymore.

Way back before the date with hana you have the option to tell mina about hana, apparently you didn't.

I think this is it... Will give it a shot

 

[TD1900]

I think this is it... Will give it a shot

All that's needed is for Mina to see Edwin kiss hana, and a minimum of three bi curious points.
Being transparent with Mina about Hana just alters the context and lead in of the scene.

Keep in mind the scene itself plays after Edwin leaves the club.

 

[ename144]

Why would Donovan bother to tell August about one of many girls who auditioned for him, and why would August tell Chuck about it? Neither Donovan nor August would be aware Victoria is someone related to some boy who happens to be a friend of Chuck's 13-or-so years old nephew?

Even if Donovan told August and August informed Chuck, this doesn't mean "the club was behind it" but merely that Chuck was aware of this development.

Well, we know Chuck has some kind of unpleasant relationship with Victoria because she reacts extremely negatively when Grace says she knows "everything." That's more than just Chuck being vaguely aware of Victoria's porn career.

But I agree that whatever is going on, I don't think it was "Club" business. If that were the case, I don't see how Victoria could have let the MC work for Chuck without going through a similar crisis of confidence. She clearly had some misgivings about it at the start of the game, but nothing close to the "drinking herself into a stupor and rethinking her life choices" level we saw here.

Maybe she thought whatever happened between her and Chuck was something he'd keep silent about and thus Grace knowing about it has shattered that assumption. Personally I doubt that, but I don't think we know enough to speculate meaningfully on just what happened between them, nor on what Grace actually knows. Hopefully we'll learn more in the next update, but it's possible Victoria will be less talkative in the cold light of day, and the MC might have to wait until after the Exhibition to revisit it. We'll just have to see what happens.

 

[ModiThorrson]

All that's needed is for Mina to see Edwin kiss hana, and a minimum of three bi curious points.
Being transparent with Mina about Hana just alters the context and lead in of the scene.

Keep in mind the scene itself plays after Edwin leaves the club.

that will make future playthroughs a bit more interesting for me, thanks for the clarification.

 

[ffive]

I'm not sure about this one.... As far as I know, you are then not on Mina's path anymore.

Yes, if you enter Hana GF path that means you are off Mina's path. Either voluntarily by telling her about it, or she'll dump your sorry ass next update, after having find out you've tried to make her a side piece.

I think this is it... Will give it a shot

Telling Mina about Hana early is important too, but you still can't have Hana as GF and fool with Mina in any capacity, you'll have to break off the deal with her or face the consequences.

 

[ename144]

All that's needed is for Mina to see Edwin kiss hana, and a minimum of three bi curious points.
Being transparent with Mina about Hana just alters the context and lead in of the scene.

Keep in mind the scene itself plays after Edwin leaves the club.

Well, that and being Hana's booty call rather than her boyfriend. I mean, technically a scene will still play on the Hana GF route if you meet the other requirements, but it play out somewhat differently than most people are probably gunning for...

 

[ffive]

Hopefully we'll learn more in the next update, but it's possible Victoria will be less talkative in the cold light of day, and the MC might have to wait until after the Exhibition to revisit it. We'll just have to see what happens.

If you choose to tell introspective Ian about Victoria's past, he notes in response to Edwin's musings that Victoria for sure won't keep quiet about it in the morning, but will be even more determined to get that info out in the open. So i'd expect Ian to be accurate judge of character here, that he usually is.

 

[ename144]

If you choose to tell introspective Ian about Victoria's past, he notes in response to Edwin's musings that Victoria for sure won't keep quiet about it in the morning, but will be even more determined to get that info out in the open. So i'd expect Ian to be accurate judge of character here, that he usually is.

I agree. I only point that out because Ian knows slightly less than we know, and we are missing significant details. It's possible Vicky, having been convinced the MC really will forgive her sins, will decide not to go into further detail when she sobers up. I think that's an unlikely - to say nothing of narratively unsatisfying - outcome, but it is a possibility and I'm trying not to get too far out over my skis this time.