VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ename144]

Great that others see it too that Sophia is a great character!
To a certain exrend it depends on how we play the game what happens. Edwin and Sophia can connect really well from nerd to nerd! And yes, I know it was partly a test by Sophia and Abel, but our MC is aware of this.
But test or not, Sophia, eccentric as she is, could certainly have sat out the make out session in the blue room easily, but she and Edwin became quite aquainted.
As for even others like Kath being careful when "dat ass" is around, I have the strong gut feeling Sophia´s talents when the lead starts to fly could become really important for our MC on some paths.

Concerning your quote, Sophia is a far better option for sticking your dick in than many other female characters in PC for Edwin. Both channel serious nerd power.

I definitely do not get nerd vibes from Sophia. She's intellectual and capable of extreme abstraction, but even to the extent she's introverted she doesn't let that interfere with socialization. And I very much doubt she spends any time on what we would traditionally consider nerd culture; she seems far too goal-oriented for that.

I'm also skeptical Sophia connected with the MC much at all. I think she was much more interested in gauging his responses than she was in the MC himself. That could always change, but it would probably require the MC display whatever the spark of genius is that separates "arbitrarily good" from "great" in her mind. To date he has not done that.

 

[dolfe67]

I definitely do not get nerd vibes from Sophia. She's intellectual and capable of extreme abstraction, but even to the extent she's introverted she doesn't let that interfere with with socialization. And I very much doubt she spends any time on what we would traditionally consider nerd culture; she seems far too goal-oriented for that.

She could be considered a scientist nerd. What, nerds can't socialize? We're not in the 90's anymore

I'm also skeptical Sophia connected with the MC much at all. I think she was much more interested in gauging his responses than she was in the MC himself. That could always change, but it would probably require the MC display whatever the spark of genius is that separates "arbitrarily good" from "great" in her mind. To date he has not done that.

That, I agree with. It's mostly wishful thinking from the sophia fans

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I definitely do not get nerd vibes from Sophia. She's intellectual and capable of extreme abstraction, but even to the extent she's introverted she doesn't let that interfere with socialization her pedantry.

FTFY!

but yes, overall I agree with you, she's not a nerd, she's an insufferable pedant, waxing intellectualism to anyone who will listen (or she sees a benefit in doing so). She also happens to have one of the more attractive exterior models in game. Her punishment for her lack of social grace should obviously be in the form of hot sex scenes.

 

[Ottoeight]

Concerning your quote, Sophia is a far better option for sticking your dick in than many other female characters in PC for Edwin. Both channel serious nerd power.

None of the bitches except Kath & Sophia have poisoned Edwin yet, although I wouldn't have minded if Rosalind had suffocated our hero with her boobies.

Anyway, for unknown reasons, some players haven't grasped the real nature of the relationship between Sophia and our old Abel chap yet.

 

[ImSenjou]

That could always change, but it would probably require the MC display whatever the spark of genius is that separates "arbitrarily good" from "great" in her mind. To date he has not done that.

"Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true."

I looked for this quote on the internet, and it was actually said by Bodhi, but the character Bodhi from the movie "Point Break", since then I have found this scene hilarious, especially Sophia's reaction.

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[ImSenjou]

Some comments seem to believe that I'm hoping for a "happy ending" with Sophia, with her and the MC being compatible in a way she never imagined, but that's not the case.

I can't imagine a "happy ending" with any character in the story, none at all, to be completely honest, I think that in the end the MC will just leave all of this behind and focus on his studies and career, without ever mentioning what he did this summer.

I started writing a list of why I don't see it working with each girl, but pointing out why it wouldn't work made the list too long.

 

[seigram]

Does anyone know where I can get Ch 4 Up 2? One version back.

 

[Takkatakka]

Does anyone know where I can get Ch 4 Up 2? One version back.

Why would you want to download an older version of the game?

 

[Turret]

She could be considered a scientist nerd. What, nerds can't socialize? We're not in the 90's anymore

Exactly!

I'm also skeptical Sophia connected with the MC much at all. I think she was much more interested in gauging his responses than she was in the MC himself. That could always change, but it would probably require the MC display whatever the spark of genius is that separates "arbitrarily good" from "great" in her mind. To date he has not done that.

If you read my posts you´ll see that i am VERY aware that much of the Sophia-Edwin meeting was a test for currently debatable reasons. Not only I, the player, but Edwin himself is also aware of that fact, you can see it in the ingame character pages.
Nevertheless our MC and Sophia connected via their shared nerdiness quite well (depending on our choices here). Sophia is an amoral genius nerd, cold, calculating and eccentric. As mentioned as cold as she is/can be, she could have easily sat out anything that happened in the blue room while watching the Carnations, neither Kath nor Edwin would have been surprised. Instead she chose to become involved and we can get quite a makeout sesssion with her.
During the "home invasion" we can also get some banter berween Edwin and Sophia and even the scene ImSenjou showed in his post. No, Sophia and Edwin are not there yet, but they show some real chemistry and connection. What will come from that, we will see (and decide) in further updates.

Anyway, for unknown reasons, some players haven't grasped the real nature of the relationship between Sophia and our old Abel chap yet.

I think you are on the woodway with what you insinuate. Abel and Sophia´s relationship is very, very much like the one between a Daimyo and his special retainer/successor Samurai, down to the fact she will be his successor in the future.
I theorise it could be possible that Sophia is Abel´s hidden daughter or the daughter he never had taking this place. If you look at it with a bit of distance, those two stick out like sore thumbs among the PC membership and it is mainly that the attention of the other members is on the Carnations and having fun with the house girls that it is not more obvious. Abel and Sophia are not at PC for the things the others are there and more, both loath the current PC leadership with a passion. Those two have own plans with the Club and play partly a role to obfuscate this fact.

 

[Ottoeight]

I think you are on the woodway with what you insinuate. Abel and Sophia´s relationship is very, very much like the one between a Daimyo and his special retainer/successor Samurai, down to the fact she will be his successor in the future.
I theorise it could be possible that Sophia is Abel´s hidden daughter or the daughter he never had taking this place. If you look at it with a bit of distance, those two stick out like sore thumbs among the PC membership and it is mainly that the attention of the other members is on the Carnations and having fun with the house girls that it is not more obvious. Abel and Sophia are not at PC for the things the others are there and more, both loath the current PC leadership with a passion. Those two have own plans with the Club and play partly a role to obfuscate this fact.

Sure, whatever.

 

[Great730]

Some comments seem to believe that I'm hoping for a "happy ending" with Sophia, with her and the MC being compatible in a way she never imagined, but that's not the case.

I can't imagine a "happy ending" with any character in the story, none at all, to be completely honest, I think that in the end the MC will just leave all of this behind and focus on his studies and career, without ever mentioning what he did this summer.

I started writing a list of why I don't see it working with each girl, but pointing out why it wouldn't work made the list too long.

don't know, it seems to me that the ending of the presenter with any of the carnations is quite real, although for me the more real ending is the one in which one carnation gets everything and the other 2 lose and remain as slaves of the club or maybe all three :любовь:

 

[Finain]

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[Turret]

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And? PC is a game where the MC will never get a virgin anywhere! All LI options and even the sports fucking ones have had sex before meeting the MC. In Sophia´s case here she was self-testing one of her creations.

 

[Ottoeight]

And? PC is a game where the MC will never get a virgin anywhere! All LI options and even the sports fucking ones have had sex before meeting the MC. In Sophia´s case here she was self-testing one of her creations.

Man, I think that everybody will agree with me when I say that there does exist "some" middle way between being virgin and being gangbanged on a table in front of spectators because you "need" to test a drug you've just concocted.

 

[Takkatakka]

Man, I think that everybody will agree with me when I say that there does exist "some" middle way between being virgin and being gangbanged on a table in front of spectators because you "need" to test a drug you've just concocted.

That is btw the biggest red flag about her...

 

[Meabe37]

Reminder for all the dudes who want to fuck Sophia.

If this turn you off from a girl in this game you are probably playing the wrong game. I guess for now you have Hana or Mina but it seems likely that it won't be the case forever. All the girls will probably do something "a bit" extrem sexualy at some point.

 

[ename144]

If you read my posts you´ll see that i am VERY aware that much of the Sophia-Edwin meeting was a test for currently debatable reasons. Not only I, the player, but Edwin himself is also aware of that fact, you can see it in the ingame character pages.
Nevertheless our MC and Sophia connected via their shared nerdiness quite well (depending on our choices here). Sophia is an amoral genius nerd, cold, calculating and eccentric. As mentioned as cold as she is/can be, she could have easily sat out anything that happened in the blue room while watching the Carnations, neither Kath nor Edwin would have been surprised. Instead she chose to become involved and we can get quite a makeout sesssion with her.
During the "home invasion" we can also get some banter berween Edwin and Sophia and even the scene ImSenjou showed in his post. No, Sophia and Edwin are not there yet, but they show some real chemistry and connection. What will come from that, we will see (and decide) in further updates.

Again, I see Sophia very differently. I don't think she was testing the MC, at least not in the sense that she was comparing him against preexisting objective criteria. I think she was simply poking him and noting how he responded because it gave her something to do. Like Sherlock Holmes, I suspect her brain craves stimulation; Holmes would resort to cocaine when business was slow, Sophia prefers to dose people with an unlicensed aphrodisiac.

IMHO, her making out with the MC has nothing to do with her feelings for him, she just wanted to figure why he wasn't getting off and fix that so she could get back to watching the Carnations who were testing the drug she actually cares about. She theorized Kathleen's handjob wasn't doing it for him, so she took action herself. If the MC starts kissing Sophia, she plays along until she gets the result she was looking for, at which point she seemed to lose all interest in him. Likewise, I see no banter in her quoted exchange with the MC in his living room. He said something she didn't understand so she asked for clarification.

This isn't to say that there can't be a more meaningful relationship between the MC and Sophia in the future; we're clearly going to be spending more time with her. But as of right now, I see nothing in her behavior that can't be explained as well (or better) by Sophia being every bit the disinterested henchwoman she appears to be at first glance. Your mileage clearly varies.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Man, I think that everybody will agree with me when I say that there does exist "some" middle way between being virgin and being gangbanged on a table in front of spectators because you "need" to test a drug you've just concocted.

More like
-gangbanged on a table in front of spectators because you "need" to sate the creator and audience's desire for humiliation.

I felt the same way about the scene where they're playing Go on the house girl's butt. Felt superfluous. Neither of these grossed me out, rather just like I was being beaten over the head by the narrative.

 

[Dessolos]

If this turn you off from a girl in this game you are probably playing the wrong game. I guess for now you have Hana or Mina but it seems likely that it won't be the case forever. All the girls will probably do something "a bit" extrem sexualy at some point.

I kind of hope not while I have no issue with anything in this game. What makes me like these 2 LI more than others is the fact that they are more normal and not doing anything extreme. I mean okay Mina wants to experiment so it would be in her character to try to do some extreme stuff here and there but I hope Hana doesn't.

 

[Ottoeight]

I felt the same way about the scene where they're playing Go on the house girl's butt. Felt superfluous. Neither of these grossed me out, rather just like I was being beaten over the head by the narrative.

I don't think so. It was an introduction to Serena: it's her "field" - she's one of the girls posing as living statues in the room before the second exhibition.