VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

I'd guess those are going to affect Felicia's ability to ultimately strike out on her own instead of putting up with her husband. But only the devs really know what they're for, at this point.

Hi ffive!
I think along those lines as well and theorise that it goes beyond the Elias situation. Felicia´s CPs and how we gain them hint pretty much towards leading Feli to doing what she is good at and living her life the way she wants. e.g. Taking up painting seriously again (she is really good at and has passion for it)
It is one stat we need to raise, currently IIRC 4-6 points possible if we like Feli

Elias changes things because he's now a member of the Club - and likely to become an extremely unhappy one when it's sprung on him that he's been getting cucked in plain view of the other members for weeks now. August definitely won't like that because - as he noted in Chapter 4 Update 4 - he doesn't want anything to rock the boat while he's trying to patch things up with Hana. Elias is definitely going to rock the boat.

It's less clear if Chuck will have strong feelings on Elias directly, but even if he doesn't, someone is going to have to smooth all the feathers Elias is going to ruffle in his tantrum and I'm not sure he'd leave that up to August.

Basically, at the very least it will be an extremely noisy distraction. At worst it will polarize the Club into two (or more) camps which will need to be mollified before business as normal can resume. It's a chaotic opportunity Kathleen could exploit (or at least think she could). That's how I see it, anyway.

He ename144 !
Your thoughts on this situation mostly mirror me own. I think this loud, obvious distraction might be the start for Kath´s "revolution/rebellion". This distraction is strong enough to lower the attention elsewhere and Kath probably means to use this for her first major strike. We do not know much about the planning, just that Kath wants to take over the Club and has secured the "support" of (sorry Simpgor, have to mention Abel and Sophia here) Abel and Sophia. The support naturally in goose feet, since we know that the two doctors have plans which go beyond this.
I theorise we will get the choice to support Kath, Chuck/August, maybe August or Chuck alone and Abel and Sophia, when the lead starts to fly.

 

[AidanPryde04808]

1) Felicia considers Elias' run for mayor a nuisance;

2) every club member considers Elias a sort of an "impoverished noble" - some members openly look down on him and they are much wealthier than him.

Like ottoeight pointed out multiple of the clubs patrons have already shit talked Elias (the one buying the painting iirc) and thats just when Elias is "technically" being cucked not actually being cucked in a room full of people who don't like him/wouldn't benefit from siding with him instead of the current Patrons.

Also why would the "failure" (as in hes currently losing money he just has enough for it not to matter right now) of a steel magnate have connections to the feds that he never mentioned when he was gassing himself in the interview (week 2), or why has Felicia/Kathleen never mentioned it? And as to hiring a hit squad? August has a long-time friend who we know is am actual gangster who is willing to burn and scar someone under him because they were disrespectful to a random girl which just so happened to be Hana. We know Chuck had Ties to the CIA (rocket/missle stuff) and there are multiple people at the club still talking like war mongers sorry but Elias is just going to sit there and take it like a good little boy or Samson will slap him into obedience lest Chuck get involved and scar Elias permanently

Edit: i still think that Edwin is in a worse position than any of the club Patrons unless one of the owners stands up for him he is by far the "lowest" member of the Club and who Felicia could be "emotionally cheating" in addition to the sex stuff at the club (and you know fucking her in the ass on his desk until she wants to be your sugar mama)

That line of thought is a bit too short though.

Yes, Felicia sees it as nuisance (which doesn't really mean anything for the Club or the Patrons there) and a lot of the Patrons shit talked Elias, but never directly in front of him or to his face.

To rich People, and especially Elias, as can be seen with his Behaviour during the "Interview", Self importance is everything (I am better than anyone else bla bla, the guy runs for Mayor for crying out loud, you get the idea). Being.. well... basically mocked and put down, in front of other People, is a huge hit to such an Ego and can induce a lot of hate.

And rich People that have been scorned, they always (in my experience) want to get back at the Person/Persons that did it. So him getting the Feds involved or a "Killteam" is a real possibility. That can go so fast, if August and/or Chuck (which i consider to be the most dangerous person in that club) don't get wind of it through their back channels, then things can go south real fast, There is not much anyone can do if a few Vans roll up to the Club and 20 armed guys jump out and start blasting. And especially as the MC is, as already stated, the most "vulnerable" here for such Retaliation.

Or, as was already pointed out, he's a cuck and "likes" it.

I'm curious to find out how this is gonna go. One thing I am relatively certain off is that Shit will hit the Fan, one way or another. (And I still, and that will NOT change, really really really hope Kathleen will get her comeuppance.

Hana finds out she has the same illness of her mother,

That was already answered if i remember correctly, they did a test and she doesn't have the genetic marker for the illness.

 

[Idontplay]

She will find out the test was wrong.

Have I already said that I'm not a nice guy?

 

[Simpgor]

That line of thought is a bit too short though.

And rich People that have been scorned, they always (in my experience) want to get back at the Person/Persons that did it. So him getting the Feds involved or a "Killteam" is a real possibility. That can go so fast, if August and/or Chuck (which i consider to be the most dangerous person in that club) don't get wind of it through their back channels, then things can go south real fast, There is not much anyone can do if a few Vans roll up to the Club and 20 armed guys jump out and start blasting. And especially as the MC is, as already stated, the most "vulnerable" here for such Retaliation.

Or, as was already pointed out, he's a cuck and "likes" it.

Occam's razor

One possibility relies on Elias somehow having connections to crime/feds (all rich people do?), connections that the other rich people at the club or the law enforcement/government people at the club don't have?, connections which somehow are different/better than the confirmed current ones that August has and that Chuck has/had, and then a (somehow) the logical thing is a gang war style shooting of a high rise in the middle of a "normal" area or a federal raid?

The other relies on Elias liking when his hot wife gets fucked, and i could also bring in real life psychoanalysis about how rich people like having control wrestled away in certain scenarios but thats irrelevant to the game.

I could see your viewpoint if this was the final chapter but there is not going to be a world shattering event at the end of the exhibition on the level of a federal raid, or a fucking gangland shooting not because of any logic, or how (in my experience) "rich" people act but because there is an entire week until the 4th exhibition, there are tons of variables that would be pointless and with them all the extra storylines (ya know the bulk of the game at this point)

 

[AidanPryde04808]

Occam's razor

One possibility relies on Elias somehow having connections to crime/feds (all rich people do?), connections that the other rich people at the club or the law enforcement/government people at the club don't have?, connections which somehow are different/better than the confirmed current ones that August has and that Chuck has/had, and then a (somehow) the logical thing is a gang war style shooting of a high rise in the middle of a "normal" area or a federal raid?

The other relies on Elias liking when his hot wife gets fucked, and i could also bring in real life psychoanalysis about how rich people like having control wrestled away in certain scenarios but thats irrelevant to the game.

I could see your viewpoint if this was the final chapter but there is not going to be a world shattering event at the end of the exhibition on the level of a federal raid, or a fucking gangland shooting not because of any logic, or how (in my experience) "rich" people act but because there is an entire week until the 4th exhibition, there are tons of variables that would be pointless and with them all the extra storylines (ya know the bulk of the game at this point)

Oh yeah, I agree, it won't happen in this update, IF it happens at all, but it could/will set things in motion. One way or another. I'm just spitballing here.

 

[prpa]

Hi ffive!
I think along those lines as well and theorise that it goes beyond the Elias situation. Felicia´s CPs and how we gain them hint pretty much towards leading Feli to doing what she is good at and living her life the way she wants. e.g. Taking up painting seriously again (she is really good at and has passion for it)
It is one stat we need to raise, currently IIRC 4-6 points possible if we like Feli

Hey, sorry for bothering you, but could you tell me how to get 5th and 6th confidence point for Felicia, I remember getting only 4.

As I remember those are:
1st: Telling her if anyone can succeed, it's her.
2nd: Not asking her for the money.
3rd: Encouraging her to speak to Denise.
4th: Romantic instead of rough sex after the date.

 

[ffive]

Hey, sorry for bothering you, but could you tell me how to get 5th and 6th confidence point for Felicia, I remember getting only 4.

Four I got are:
1st: Telling her if anyone can succeed, it's her.
2nd: Not asking her for the money.
3rd: Encouraging her to speak to Denise.
4th: Romantic instead of rough sex after the date.

Going by the walkthrough:

* [rooftop] Caution her, but you believe she can do it
* [car] Go with her, but tell her you don't want money
[art exhibition] only if you have blackmail material:
* Choose to [blackmail] and then, "You respect it."
* Suggest she go talk to Denise.
* You'd really just like to spend some romantic time alone with Felicia tonight. [sad Mina noises]
* You're feeling romantic, actually

 

[prpa]

Going by the walkthrough:

* [rooftop] Caution her, but you believe she can do it
* [car] Go with her, but tell her you don't want money
only if you have blackmail material:
* Choose to [blackmail] and then, "You respect it."
* Suggest she go talk to Denise.
* You'd really just like to spend some romantic time alone with Felicia tonight. [sad Mina noises]
* You're feeling romantic, actually

Thanks. I took a look at the walkthrough, it's a pain to sort through even on the big screen, and I'm on my phone now, so I didn't see some of the options.

As for the third point, I spoke to Lucy, I guess it's mutually exclusive with the blackmailing part. We have a dilemma here: either gaining Felicia's confidence point or finding out about the painting.

For the fifth point, my Edwin rejected Mina, so that's probably why I didn't have the option to choose between the threesome and spending the day with Felicia alone.

 

[ffive]

As for the third point, I spoke to Lucy, I guess it's mutually exclusive with the blackmailing part.

Yeah, iirc you need to choose to roam and take pictures instead.

 

[Simpgor]

[sad Mina noises]

Mina being forced to turn to Veronica AND Hana for comfort:

 

[Turret]

Hey, sorry for bothering you, but could you tell me how to get 5th and 6th confidence point for Felicia, I remember getting only 4.

As I remember those are:
1st: Telling her if anyone can succeed, it's her.
2nd: Not asking her for the money.
3rd: Encouraging her to speak to Denise.
4th: Romantic instead of rough sex after the date.

Hi prpa!
Ffive saw your question earlier than I did and answered it nicely. I can add that you have to choose during the art exhibition, either going for the Confidence points or roaming for Lucy and the picture info (also can warn Feli that Eric is there). Both have ups and downs to it. The fifth point I too get only on a few paths. Mina is a good friend, so I usually do not go for her.

I theorise that despite the probable importance of Feli´s CPs for the story you will not need max points for good endings, just a sizeable number of points.

 

[ename144]

Going by the walkthrough:

* [rooftop] Caution her, but you believe she can do it
* [car] Go with her, but tell her you don't want money
[art exhibition] only if you have blackmail material:
* Choose to [blackmail] and then, "You respect it."
* Suggest she go talk to Denise.
* You'd really just like to spend some romantic time alone with Felicia tonight. [sad Mina noises]
* You're feeling romantic, actually

You can also get a point during the photoshoot at Elias's home if you Challenge Felicia (rather than degrade her).

It's one of the 2 Self-Confidence points you can get without having sex with Felicia... (well, outside the Club, anyway)

 

[DETROIT123_io]

I'm also all in for waiting a couple more months and getting the whole exhibition in 1 big update, I think if it gets split a lot of people would complain about "not enough content" or "my favorite girl didn't get any scenes so the update sucks", considering Veronica, Felicia and Rosalind will probably get all the action in the second part of the update, not in the free roam (not saying they won't get something, but it'll probably be small stuff like in the other 2 exhibitions). I also think the story will be easier to follow if it's done in 1 big package.

Also, with this being the 3rd exhibition, is there any chance one of the girls could be out of the competition already? (ofc not) but let's say if X girl has been last place in all 3 is there even any way for them to win? or will there be some comeback mechanic in the fourth one? How does the point system even work, I feel like that's something that has never been fully explained.

View attachment 4831460
Holy fucking shit I never realized Dalia was carrying such a bakery .
I think it's Dalia? no other house girl has black skin, and we've now seen Andrea and Emma wearing the same black outfits, so I'm guessing Dalia gets to stand out with a white one considering she's the head girl.

reminds me Dalia from Eternum

 

[ffive]

You can also get a point during the photoshoot at Elias's home if you Challenge Felicia (rather than degrade her).

It's one of the 2 Self-Confidence points you can get without having sex with Felicia... (well, outside the Club, anyway)

Oh yeah, for some reason the search in walkthrough didn't pick that up. So that'd make it 7 points in total as current max.

 

[prpa]

You can also get a point during the photoshoot at Elias's home if you Challenge Felicia (rather than degrade her).

It's one of the 2 Self-Confidence points you can get without having sex with Felicia... (well, outside the Club, anyway)

Oh yeah, for some reason the search in walkthrough didn't pick that up. So that'd make it 7 points in total as current max.

Yeah, I had forgotten about that one too, but I did get it in the game and still only had 4 points. So, I replayed Felicia's art exhibition date and figured out that after speaking with Waylon, if you go after Lucy, you can't warn Felicia that he's there—so you lose 1 point. That's why I ended up with 4.

So the choices are either having the full 7 confidence points, or going after Lucy to learn about the painting and ending up with 5. I'm wondering which one will be the better option for the third exhibition.

 

[Dactess]

All I know is the next update is probably gonna make me feel bad. Guys, I don't think I am cut out to be a sociopathic sadist. Help manage prostitutes? Sure. Help with the Kathy's fucked up exhibition? I kind of suck at that.

 

[Dactess]

I mean no, sexual attraction doesn't work this way. I'd trust the devs of this particular game to know better than that.

Realized I didn't give a proper response. Thought I would try to word my question better and give my thought process behind it.

Well my train of thought on it is, throughout the game you have the chance to increase Mina's Bi curious score. Bi being the the sexual attraction to male and female (or whatever the new definition is).

If you choose to have the threesome with Felicia and Mina, you only increase her Bi curious score. However, if at the rock show you choose to have her go flirt with Veronica, they make a point to add [Lesbian Push]. (I think that was on the dialogue option) Not an increase to bi curious points, not even a bi sexual push, establishing her as actually bi now instead of only curious. So with the use of lesbian, that being a woman that is sexually attracted to the same sex, it to me feels like maybe that is a way to close off her path without pushing her onto a man. Hell setting up a romantic relationship between her and Veronica. For me when I played through, I was fine with the threesome with Felish cause as Mina's friend, she would be a good person to use to knock an item on the list but I didn't go with pushing her towards Veronica cause that felt like it would be plausible that that would lead to romantic feelings for the two. I might be looking into it too much but I feel with using the term "lesbian" they imply the MC won't actually be a part of it and it gives an "acceptable" relationship for a LI to be in, instead of her just being single or with Ian. Which was mainly why I was asking here.

I might be putting too much stock in the difference between Bi and Lesbianism, I know the tag is kind of weird on F95, but I assume the devs were pretty intentional with the use of lesbian instead of bi.

With Hana talking about giving men a break and Mina thinking about it, maybe this is the option for ppl that are pursuing another LI but don't want to see her with another male character.

And I was mainly making a joke with that response, but she would hardly be the first person to realize they aren't straight after coming out of a relationship or during one. She is 19, wouldn't be unheard of for her to realize her attraction to the opposite sex and lose interest in men. But again that was just words thrown together in a joking way.

 

[UmbralKnight]

Realized I didn't give a proper response. Thought I would try to word my question better and give my thought process behind it.

Well my train of thought on it is, throughout the game you have the chance to increase Mina's Bi curious score. Bi being the the sexual attraction to male and female (or whatever the new definition is).

If you choose to have the threesome with Felicia and Mina, you only increase her Bi curious score. However, if at the rock show you choose to have her go flirt with Veronica, they make a point to add [Lesbian Push]. (I think that was on the dialogue option) Not an increase to bi curious points, not even a bi sexual push, establishing her as actually bi now instead of only curious. So with the use of lesbian, that being a woman that is sexually attracted to the same sex, it to me feels like maybe that is a way to close off her path without pushing her onto a man. Hell setting up a romantic relationship between her and Veronica. For me when I played through, I was fine with the threesome with Felish cause as Mina's friend, she would be a good person to use to knock an item on the list but I didn't go with pushing her towards Veronica cause that felt like it would be plausible that that would lead to romantic feelings for the two. I might be looking into it too much but I feel with using the term "lesbian" they imply the MC won't actually be a part of it and it gives an "acceptable" relationship for a LI to be in, instead of her just being single or with Ian. Which was mainly why I was asking here.

I might be putting too much stock in the difference between Bi and Lesbianism, I know the tag is kind of weird on F95, but I assume the devs were pretty intentional with the use of lesbian instead of bi.

With Hana talking about giving men a break and Mina thinking about it, maybe this is the option for ppl that are pursuing another LI but don't want to see her with another male character.

And I was mainly making a joke with that response, but she would hardly be the first person to realize they aren't straight after coming out of a relationship or during one. She is 19, wouldn't be unheard of for her to realize her attraction to the opposite sex and lose interest in men. But again that was just words thrown together in a joking way.

all the main girls except rose so far has had some kind of fling with other women
so yes majority of LIs are actually bi or bi curious to certain level
problem with BI LIs is that it will inevitably lead to somekind of meltdown over having to "share" their LI with another girl and how that's TOTALLY NTR

 

[AidanPryde04808]

All I know is the next update is probably gonna make me feel bad. Guys, I don't think I am cut out to be a sociopathic sadist. Help manage prostitutes? Sure. Help with the Kathy's fucked up exhibition? I kind of suck at that.

 

[Dactess]

all the main girls except rose so far has had some kind of fling with other women
so yes majority of LIs are actually bi or bi curious to certain level
problem with BI LIs is that it will inevitably lead to somekind of meltdown over having to "share" their LI with another girl and how that's TOTALLY NTR

Well with Mina you can pretty much avoid all Bi content so ppl probably shouldn't bitch about her at least. Keep her Bi points down and she won't mention it. For now anyways. I mean Hana had one experience in the past, which you can avoid hearing about, otherwise she comes off more straight. Depending on choices I suppose. Point being, for the Main LI's Mina and Hana, that can be avoided. As for Rosie, Veronica, and Felicia, they are selling themselves for some prize and you are shown pretty early on what that will entail so people should know what to expect on that end. So yeah anyone bitching about NTR should just not fall for the "whores" lol. Nothing seems like NTR. Like sharing with chicks yeah (well and Ian) but NTR not so much.

I don't have an issue with it though, thruples can be nice in VN's, unless some asshole decides to kill one in a fire or something. Plus gives a believable way of getting 2 LI's like Mina and Hana at the same time lol

But I was just curious if they were adding that as an out for ppl that are concerned about LI's that are rejected moving onto other guys or whatever. Ultimately I won't know til next update but I just felt like writing down my thoughts.