VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Simpgor]

That line of thought is a bit too short though.

And rich People that have been scorned, they always (in my experience) want to get back at the Person/Persons that did it. So him getting the Feds involved or a "Killteam" is a real possibility. That can go so fast, if August and/or Chuck (which i consider to be the most dangerous person in that club) don't get wind of it through their back channels, then things can go south real fast, There is not much anyone can do if a few Vans roll up to the Club and 20 armed guys jump out and start blasting. And especially as the MC is, as already stated, the most "vulnerable" here for such Retaliation.

Or, as was already pointed out, he's a cuck and "likes" it.

Occam's razor

One possibility relies on Elias somehow having connections to crime/feds (all rich people do?), connections that the other rich people at the club or the law enforcement/government people at the club don't have?, connections which somehow are different/better than the confirmed current ones that August has and that Chuck has/had, and then a (somehow) the logical thing is a gang war style shooting of a high rise in the middle of a "normal" area or a federal raid?

The other relies on Elias liking when his hot wife gets fucked, and i could also bring in real life psychoanalysis about how rich people like having control wrestled away in certain scenarios but thats irrelevant to the game.

I could see your viewpoint if this was the final chapter but there is not going to be a world shattering event at the end of the exhibition on the level of a federal raid, or a fucking gangland shooting not because of any logic, or how (in my experience) "rich" people act but because there is an entire week until the 4th exhibition, there are tons of variables that would be pointless and with them all the extra storylines (ya know the bulk of the game at this point)

 

[AidanPryde04808]

Occam's razor

One possibility relies on Elias somehow having connections to crime/feds (all rich people do?), connections that the other rich people at the club or the law enforcement/government people at the club don't have?, connections which somehow are different/better than the confirmed current ones that August has and that Chuck has/had, and then a (somehow) the logical thing is a gang war style shooting of a high rise in the middle of a "normal" area or a federal raid?

The other relies on Elias liking when his hot wife gets fucked, and i could also bring in real life psychoanalysis about how rich people like having control wrestled away in certain scenarios but thats irrelevant to the game.

I could see your viewpoint if this was the final chapter but there is not going to be a world shattering event at the end of the exhibition on the level of a federal raid, or a fucking gangland shooting not because of any logic, or how (in my experience) "rich" people act but because there is an entire week until the 4th exhibition, there are tons of variables that would be pointless and with them all the extra storylines (ya know the bulk of the game at this point)

Oh yeah, I agree, it won't happen in this update, IF it happens at all, but it could/will set things in motion. One way or another. I'm just spitballing here.

 

[prpa]

Hi ffive!
I think along those lines as well and theorise that it goes beyond the Elias situation. Felicia´s CPs and how we gain them hint pretty much towards leading Feli to doing what she is good at and living her life the way she wants. e.g. Taking up painting seriously again (she is really good at and has passion for it)
It is one stat we need to raise, currently IIRC 4-6 points possible if we like Feli

Hey, sorry for bothering you, but could you tell me how to get 5th and 6th confidence point for Felicia, I remember getting only 4.

As I remember those are:
1st: Telling her if anyone can succeed, it's her.
2nd: Not asking her for the money.
3rd: Encouraging her to speak to Denise.
4th: Romantic instead of rough sex after the date.

 

[ffive]

Hey, sorry for bothering you, but could you tell me how to get 5th and 6th confidence point for Felicia, I remember getting only 4.

Four I got are:
1st: Telling her if anyone can succeed, it's her.
2nd: Not asking her for the money.
3rd: Encouraging her to speak to Denise.
4th: Romantic instead of rough sex after the date.

Going by the walkthrough:

* [rooftop] Caution her, but you believe she can do it
* [car] Go with her, but tell her you don't want money
[art exhibition] only if you have blackmail material:
* Choose to [blackmail] and then, "You respect it."
* Suggest she go talk to Denise.
* You'd really just like to spend some romantic time alone with Felicia tonight. [sad Mina noises]
* You're feeling romantic, actually

 

[prpa]

Going by the walkthrough:

* [rooftop] Caution her, but you believe she can do it
* [car] Go with her, but tell her you don't want money
only if you have blackmail material:
* Choose to [blackmail] and then, "You respect it."
* Suggest she go talk to Denise.
* You'd really just like to spend some romantic time alone with Felicia tonight. [sad Mina noises]
* You're feeling romantic, actually

Thanks. I took a look at the walkthrough, it's a pain to sort through even on the big screen, and I'm on my phone now, so I didn't see some of the options.

As for the third point, I spoke to Lucy, I guess it's mutually exclusive with the blackmailing part. We have a dilemma here: either gaining Felicia's confidence point or finding out about the painting.

For the fifth point, my Edwin rejected Mina, so that's probably why I didn't have the option to choose between the threesome and spending the day with Felicia alone.

 

[ffive]

As for the third point, I spoke to Lucy, I guess it's mutually exclusive with the blackmailing part.

Yeah, iirc you need to choose to roam and take pictures instead.

 

[Simpgor]

[sad Mina noises]

Mina being forced to turn to Veronica AND Hana for comfort:

 

[Turret]

Hey, sorry for bothering you, but could you tell me how to get 5th and 6th confidence point for Felicia, I remember getting only 4.

As I remember those are:
1st: Telling her if anyone can succeed, it's her.
2nd: Not asking her for the money.
3rd: Encouraging her to speak to Denise.
4th: Romantic instead of rough sex after the date.

Hi prpa!
Ffive saw your question earlier than I did and answered it nicely. I can add that you have to choose during the art exhibition, either going for the Confidence points or roaming for Lucy and the picture info (also can warn Feli that Eric is there). Both have ups and downs to it. The fifth point I too get only on a few paths. Mina is a good friend, so I usually do not go for her.

I theorise that despite the probable importance of Feli´s CPs for the story you will not need max points for good endings, just a sizeable number of points.

 

[ename144]

Going by the walkthrough:

* [rooftop] Caution her, but you believe she can do it
* [car] Go with her, but tell her you don't want money
[art exhibition] only if you have blackmail material:
* Choose to [blackmail] and then, "You respect it."
* Suggest she go talk to Denise.
* You'd really just like to spend some romantic time alone with Felicia tonight. [sad Mina noises]
* You're feeling romantic, actually

You can also get a point during the photoshoot at Elias's home if you Challenge Felicia (rather than degrade her).

It's one of the 2 Self-Confidence points you can get without having sex with Felicia... (well, outside the Club, anyway)

 

[DETROIT123_io]

I'm also all in for waiting a couple more months and getting the whole exhibition in 1 big update, I think if it gets split a lot of people would complain about "not enough content" or "my favorite girl didn't get any scenes so the update sucks", considering Veronica, Felicia and Rosalind will probably get all the action in the second part of the update, not in the free roam (not saying they won't get something, but it'll probably be small stuff like in the other 2 exhibitions). I also think the story will be easier to follow if it's done in 1 big package.

Also, with this being the 3rd exhibition, is there any chance one of the girls could be out of the competition already? (ofc not) but let's say if X girl has been last place in all 3 is there even any way for them to win? or will there be some comeback mechanic in the fourth one? How does the point system even work, I feel like that's something that has never been fully explained.

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Holy fucking shit I never realized Dalia was carrying such a bakery .
I think it's Dalia? no other house girl has black skin, and we've now seen Andrea and Emma wearing the same black outfits, so I'm guessing Dalia gets to stand out with a white one considering she's the head girl.

reminds me Dalia from Eternum

 

[ffive]

You can also get a point during the photoshoot at Elias's home if you Challenge Felicia (rather than degrade her).

It's one of the 2 Self-Confidence points you can get without having sex with Felicia... (well, outside the Club, anyway)

Oh yeah, for some reason the search in walkthrough didn't pick that up. So that'd make it 7 points in total as current max.

 

[prpa]

You can also get a point during the photoshoot at Elias's home if you Challenge Felicia (rather than degrade her).

It's one of the 2 Self-Confidence points you can get without having sex with Felicia... (well, outside the Club, anyway)

Oh yeah, for some reason the search in walkthrough didn't pick that up. So that'd make it 7 points in total as current max.

Yeah, I had forgotten about that one too, but I did get it in the game and still only had 4 points. So, I replayed Felicia's art exhibition date and figured out that after speaking with Waylon, if you go after Lucy, you can't warn Felicia that he's there—so you lose 1 point. That's why I ended up with 4.

So the choices are either having the full 7 confidence points, or going after Lucy to learn about the painting and ending up with 5. I'm wondering which one will be the better option for the third exhibition.

 

[Dactess]

All I know is the next update is probably gonna make me feel bad. Guys, I don't think I am cut out to be a sociopathic sadist. Help manage prostitutes? Sure. Help with the Kathy's fucked up exhibition? I kind of suck at that.

 

[Dactess]

I mean no, sexual attraction doesn't work this way. I'd trust the devs of this particular game to know better than that.

Realized I didn't give a proper response. Thought I would try to word my question better and give my thought process behind it.

Well my train of thought on it is, throughout the game you have the chance to increase Mina's Bi curious score. Bi being the the sexual attraction to male and female (or whatever the new definition is).

If you choose to have the threesome with Felicia and Mina, you only increase her Bi curious score. However, if at the rock show you choose to have her go flirt with Veronica, they make a point to add [Lesbian Push]. (I think that was on the dialogue option) Not an increase to bi curious points, not even a bi sexual push, establishing her as actually bi now instead of only curious. So with the use of lesbian, that being a woman that is sexually attracted to the same sex, it to me feels like maybe that is a way to close off her path without pushing her onto a man. Hell setting up a romantic relationship between her and Veronica. For me when I played through, I was fine with the threesome with Felish cause as Mina's friend, she would be a good person to use to knock an item on the list but I didn't go with pushing her towards Veronica cause that felt like it would be plausible that that would lead to romantic feelings for the two. I might be looking into it too much but I feel with using the term "lesbian" they imply the MC won't actually be a part of it and it gives an "acceptable" relationship for a LI to be in, instead of her just being single or with Ian. Which was mainly why I was asking here.

I might be putting too much stock in the difference between Bi and Lesbianism, I know the tag is kind of weird on F95, but I assume the devs were pretty intentional with the use of lesbian instead of bi.

With Hana talking about giving men a break and Mina thinking about it, maybe this is the option for ppl that are pursuing another LI but don't want to see her with another male character.

And I was mainly making a joke with that response, but she would hardly be the first person to realize they aren't straight after coming out of a relationship or during one. She is 19, wouldn't be unheard of for her to realize her attraction to the opposite sex and lose interest in men. But again that was just words thrown together in a joking way.

 

[UmbralKnight]

Realized I didn't give a proper response. Thought I would try to word my question better and give my thought process behind it.

Well my train of thought on it is, throughout the game you have the chance to increase Mina's Bi curious score. Bi being the the sexual attraction to male and female (or whatever the new definition is).

If you choose to have the threesome with Felicia and Mina, you only increase her Bi curious score. However, if at the rock show you choose to have her go flirt with Veronica, they make a point to add [Lesbian Push]. (I think that was on the dialogue option) Not an increase to bi curious points, not even a bi sexual push, establishing her as actually bi now instead of only curious. So with the use of lesbian, that being a woman that is sexually attracted to the same sex, it to me feels like maybe that is a way to close off her path without pushing her onto a man. Hell setting up a romantic relationship between her and Veronica. For me when I played through, I was fine with the threesome with Felish cause as Mina's friend, she would be a good person to use to knock an item on the list but I didn't go with pushing her towards Veronica cause that felt like it would be plausible that that would lead to romantic feelings for the two. I might be looking into it too much but I feel with using the term "lesbian" they imply the MC won't actually be a part of it and it gives an "acceptable" relationship for a LI to be in, instead of her just being single or with Ian. Which was mainly why I was asking here.

I might be putting too much stock in the difference between Bi and Lesbianism, I know the tag is kind of weird on F95, but I assume the devs were pretty intentional with the use of lesbian instead of bi.

With Hana talking about giving men a break and Mina thinking about it, maybe this is the option for ppl that are pursuing another LI but don't want to see her with another male character.

And I was mainly making a joke with that response, but she would hardly be the first person to realize they aren't straight after coming out of a relationship or during one. She is 19, wouldn't be unheard of for her to realize her attraction to the opposite sex and lose interest in men. But again that was just words thrown together in a joking way.

all the main girls except rose so far has had some kind of fling with other women
so yes majority of LIs are actually bi or bi curious to certain level
problem with BI LIs is that it will inevitably lead to somekind of meltdown over having to "share" their LI with another girl and how that's TOTALLY NTR

 

[AidanPryde04808]

All I know is the next update is probably gonna make me feel bad. Guys, I don't think I am cut out to be a sociopathic sadist. Help manage prostitutes? Sure. Help with the Kathy's fucked up exhibition? I kind of suck at that.

 

[Dactess]

all the main girls except rose so far has had some kind of fling with other women
so yes majority of LIs are actually bi or bi curious to certain level
problem with BI LIs is that it will inevitably lead to somekind of meltdown over having to "share" their LI with another girl and how that's TOTALLY NTR

Well with Mina you can pretty much avoid all Bi content so ppl probably shouldn't bitch about her at least. Keep her Bi points down and she won't mention it. For now anyways. I mean Hana had one experience in the past, which you can avoid hearing about, otherwise she comes off more straight. Depending on choices I suppose. Point being, for the Main LI's Mina and Hana, that can be avoided. As for Rosie, Veronica, and Felicia, they are selling themselves for some prize and you are shown pretty early on what that will entail so people should know what to expect on that end. So yeah anyone bitching about NTR should just not fall for the "whores" lol. Nothing seems like NTR. Like sharing with chicks yeah (well and Ian) but NTR not so much.

I don't have an issue with it though, thruples can be nice in VN's, unless some asshole decides to kill one in a fire or something. Plus gives a believable way of getting 2 LI's like Mina and Hana at the same time lol

But I was just curious if they were adding that as an out for ppl that are concerned about LI's that are rejected moving onto other guys or whatever. Ultimately I won't know til next update but I just felt like writing down my thoughts.

 

[Simpgor]

But I was just curious if they were adding that as an out for ppl that are concerned about LI's that are rejected moving onto other guys or whatever. Ultimately I won't know til next update but I just felt like writing down my thoughts.

Not saying you are guilty of this but do people really expect a "normal" harem ending or is it just cope?

If Edwin leaves the club it doesn't make sense for everyone to get in a big sex pile, various threesomes sure (usually involving Mina) but Rose (and moreso her daughter) really throw a wrench into the "pure rosey harem route".

If Edwin stays at the club...... unless it changes to a club where people just watch Edwin have sex then the girls (and any in the future) are obviously going to be having "sex" with others even if Kathleen is kicked out and the club changes to a totally consensual and helpful place.

 

[Dactess]

Not saying you are guilty of this but do people really expect a "normal" harem ending or is it just cope?

If Edwin leaves the club it doesn't make sense for everyone to get in a big sex pile, various threesomes sure (usually involving Mina) but Rose (and moreso her daughter) really throw a wrench into the "pure rosey harem route".

If Edwin stays at the club...... unless it changes to a club where people just watch Edwin have sex then the girls (and any in the future) are obviously going to be having "sex" with others even if Kathleen is kicked out and the club changes to a totally consensual and helpful place.

Yeah personally I wasn't really expecting a "harem" ending at all. I don't think the possibility has even been suggested. Personally I only like harems when the VN has more of a fantastical plot. Like there is a reason multiple girls would be perfectly fine with getting with the same guy. I mean poly relationships are more likely I suppose, but I don't think ppl find them as appealing.

I mean the closest you could get is if Edwin stayed at the club, like you said, but then he would just be fucking prostitutes as a perk and they'd hardly be faithful.

I feel like maybe there could be a thruple with Mina and Hana if done right, and obviously they are doing that lol though I don't know if it will turn out well but I doubt any of the girls would want to be in a relationship with Edwin if he is fucking prostitutes and carnations, I mean Hana has said as much. Mina has kind of shown she wouldn't be cool with that and did kind of say as much when they were in the hotel. I mean I feel Mina is more likely to get a lesbian harem it seems... Slightly annoyed Edwin brings up veronica to mina a few times but that's just a personal thing and nether here nor there... Guess I could avoid that by not taking her to the gym.

But yeah, I agree with you. A lot of times harems don't make sense and it wouldn't make sense for this game. Like I said, closest Edwin would get to a harem ending would probably be him embracing the club as is, with kathleen, and just messing around with the prostitutes and whoever. But I doubt any of the other LI's would be cool with being in a relationship like that. And nor would I want them to be, would kind of cheapen their characters I think. I mean maybe Edwin can do a casual thing with some but I don't think that is a long term thing.

 

[prpa]

except Felicia maybe.

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