VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

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Simpgor said:
On August and Hana: He objectively isn't "using" Edwin like sure he probably realizes he isnt acitvely pushing her away but it cant be just to get Hana closer to the club because Edwin (even if you plan to stay in the club) has repeatedly asked himself about Kathleen/the club mostly in relation to Darius going missing and thats not even considering any changes that come from Edwin deleting his mom's stuff or not. Is it really so out of left field that even an "evil vicious mob boss" (just forget he didn't want the dude who "insulted" Hana to be punished as harshly) could be missing his daughter and doing what he can to try to get closer to her in his old ass age? Almost like him and Edwin have a direct conversation about that :HideThePain:

It really "hurts" august characters when he's reduced to Chuck but less intelligent, more boring (in the sense of as soon as you see him you know 100% about him), and with more basic motivations (family vs whatever the fuck Chuck wants on the day). I guess Chuck allows August's 'manipulation" of Edwin and his realationship with Hana but tells kathleen multiple times to lay off Edwin because....... bros before hos? :HideThePain:

Edit: how many "big bad 4d chess playing" Mob bosses have willingly been under someone else in a criminal enterprise? When Chuck (a civilian) says "no august you are too boring we are going to go a more fun route with this guy (the debt)" that reaaaaaallllllly does not give off ultra badass mob boss energy
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You're missing a lot of things in this discussion. August and Chuck are friends and partners. August is a mob boss. Chuck is an oligarch. Kathleen, also a partner, is a Socialite and Politically connected through her husband (a Judge). They are ostensibly equal, but Chuck is the real boss, as he's the money man. He's also deranged. August is not deranged, he's just got no qualms against violence or murder, if it's warranted.

Mob bosses do not want to do violence, it's bad for business. They rely on the real threat of violence to avoid it. The threat has to be real. He is also using everybody, even those he cares about.

Yes, he seems to really want to repair the relationship with Hana, but do we know why? Is it a legacy thing? Does he regret how he treated her, and basically abandoned her? We do not know. Mob bosses have to be cunning, but that doesn't make him a genius like Chuck (or even Kathleen).

Chuck is a genius weapons developer and scientist. Sophie might be the only one at his level, and maybe her boss.
 
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shazamanone said:
does anyone have full save with all scenes unlocked?
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Maccabbee said:
Mob bosses do not want to do violence, it's bad for business. They rely on the real threat of violence to avoid it. The threat has to be real. He is also using everybody, even those he cares about.
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August solutions are literally always and only violence thata why Chuck calls him boring :HideThePain:

How is august using Hana? He is losing money by paying for her mom's hospital bills, Hana could be planning to sell her shares to Kathleen, andthe club makes an insane amount of money (from the gamblers we dont see) before Hana was a bartender so he clearly didnt hire his estranged daughter to increase the money.......

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Yes, he seems to really want to repair the relationship with Hana, but do we know why? Is it a legacy thing? Does he regret how he treated her, and basically abandoned her? We do not know. Mob bosses have to be cunning, but that doesn't make him a genius like Chuck (or even Kathleen).
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..... I feel like some of us "do know why" he wants to repair the realationship with his only known family member as he approaches the end of his life........ but that will be shot down because he is a Mob boss? :HideThePain:

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Chuck is a genius weapons developer and scientist. Sophie might be the only one at his level, and maybe her boss.
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Ahh yess the criminal hierarchy of

Top - horny rocket guy
Almost top - world famous dr and turrets GF
Middle - sadistic Judge wife who runs a women's charity inherited from her dead sister
Bottom - Mob "boss" who is fine with being the muscle/keeping thing's running on the day to day/having to do extra clean up work for Chuck/being lied to and planned to be ousted by Kathleen :HideThePain:
 
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I was going to post (to make fun of whatever the troll is called now) that they didnt even realize the player is 100% in control of who loses week 1 I guess i should have done that anyway :HideThePain:

Even though felica is my favorite of the carnations for me from a narrative sense I think her losing week 1 is "the best" (with Rose winning week 1, vero week 2, and felica week 3 for the tie Kathleen promised wouldn't happen) still you can't use that as "oooooh seee she's a sluuuuuuut" because its not only a punishment but isn't any more "canon" than Edwin going to the gay bar with Veronica and hooking up with Random in the stall (instead of going after Vero the true canon) since like I said the bukkake (or date scenes) are 100% reliant on player input and thankfully this game is well written enough that it doesn't just skip the event but it still happens.
 
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I was going to post (to make fun of whatever the troll is called now) that they didnt even realize the player is 100% in control of who loses week 1 I guess i should have done that anyway :HideThePain:

Even though felica is my favorite of the carnations for me from a narrative sense I think her losing week 1 is "the best" (with Rose winning week 1, vero week 2, and felica week 3 for the tie Kathleen promised wouldn't happen) still you can't use that as "oooooh seee she's a sluuuuuuut" because its not only a punishment but isn't any more "canon" than Edwin going to the gay bar with Veronica and hooking up with Random in the stall (instead of going after Vero the true canon) since like I said the bukkake (or date scenes) are 100% reliant on player input and thankfully this game is well written enough that it doesn't just skip the event but it still happens.
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While someone remains on the bukkake, at this time I:
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still you can't use that as "oooooh seee she's a sluuuuuuut" because its not only a punishment but isn't any more "canon" than Edwin going to the gay bar with Veronica and hooking up with Random in the stall (instead of going after Vero the true canon) since like I said the bukkake (or date scenes) are 100% reliant on player input and thankfully this game is well written enough that it doesn't just skip the event but it still happens.
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It's also not like the carnations actually knew that was what they're signing up for -- i doubt the contract they've signed had all the sordid details of every exact exhibition listed in 20 pages of small print. Some generic concept they'd be doing sexual things on stage, yes, but there's no point in scaring your potential mark off early. Once they're in and you got them do some basic tricks on stage it's much easier to have them agree to what's initially outrageous ideas -- the sunk cost fallacy and all that.

edit: That said, Felicia is an exhibitionist at heart and she likes sex. She admits as much early on, in her talks wih Edwin. Anyone clutching pearls and calling for fainting couch because "omg she's a slut" (or thinking they can shame her because of that) when she'll readily bang Edwin in the club bathroom and/or later at Ian's house on the very first night she met him just haven't played the game, or did it with Ctrl key firmly pressed down.
 
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ffive said:
It's also not like the carnations actually knew that was what they're signing up for -- i doubt the contract they've signed had all the sordid details of every exact exhibition listed in 20 pages of small print. Some generic concept they'd be doing sexual things on stage, yes, but there's no point in scaring your potential mark off early. Once they're in and you got them do some basic tricks on stage it's much easier to have them agree to what's initially outrageous ideas -- the sunk cost fallacy and all that.
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Exactly and even better (for us) is that the story specifically goes out of its way to show neither them nor Edwin knew because of the USB Kathleen gives (only to edwin) that shows off the previous year
 
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