VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Joshy92]

I really like the romance in this
the writing is definitely one of it's strongest points imo

 

[Ottoeight]

My personal theory for Sophia and Abel is that on the "goodish" Edwin paths they are either in deep cover for an acronym governmental organisation or on their own "crusade", while on the "badish" Edwin paths they are their own brand of a... like Edwin´s bosses.

Well, my personal theory for MC is that he is a violet space alien lizard who came to earth in search for sex slaves. How about it.

But... if you wish, I'll stick with the fact that the story tells he is a 21 years old bachelor of science who's applying for a medical school.

In a similar way, I think I'll stick with the fact that the story tells that Abel van Doren is Waller Scientific's CEO and Sophia is Waller's most talented chemist.

 

[Amariithynar]

After playing through the game, I gotta wonder if the Sophia-simps have tried being a kind and dominant personality, and gotten enough points to properly get rewards, especially to see the clips of Sophia and Abel working with Kat where the MC isn't around at all, and all the talk of experimentation (including the poor girl they drugged up and left strapped down and wanting as an experiment). There's also a moment early on where Frank speaks about working with Abel to smuggle drugs past a closed border, and remarks how it was strange that they actually went to the clinics instead of the black market; it really seems to be intimating that they're using the club as a test base, just as they did previously.

 

[Silegy]

I'm just wondering why some people are imagining Sophia endings. As I've already wrote, some people are oblivious of the fact that there aren't any Sophia game points whatsoever.

MC has had sex more than once with Dalia, Lucy and Harper by now, for instance. Why aren't they imagining a Harper ending, for instance?

I'm imagining a Lucy ending if that helps.
EDIT: Imagining, not wanting or expecting.

 

[Turret]

Again, thanks again for the great write up. This is one of the few games on here where you can discuss the plot this extensively.

Absolutely!

In a similar way, I think I'll stick with the fact that the story tells that Abel van Doren is Waller Scientific's CEO and Sophia is Waller's most talented chemist.

Also, Chuck is no less scary than Sophia herself. While Chuck does fucked uo shit for his own pleasure, Ms Lundgren does fucked up things because Abel wills it. Even if she is a CIA punch clock villain like you propose, it takes a cold, sociopathic person to do that kinda work. If she IS a glowie, than Edwin is also in trouble as he's also complicit in the Club's crimes. The only way I see an Edwin and Sophia good ending is if Edwin's also evil, and Sophia is NOT a federal agent.

Well, Abel and Sophia being who they are as explained by the story so far does not hinder them having more agendas than just hopping around the PC club for experimenting.
There are several reasons why I speculate that they could be in deep cover for an acronym organisation or personal crusade/vendetta, since the club is involved in various shady/criminal operations.

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[Deleted member 6035931]

I'm just wondering why some people are imagining Sophia endings. As I've already wrote, some people are oblivious of the fact that there aren't any Sophia game points whatsoever.

MC has had sex more than once with Dalia, Lucy and Harper by now, for instance. Why aren't they imagining a Harper ending, for instance?

Never mind the endings.

But still imagine a spinoff with Chuck or Ian as the protagonist.

 

[Ottoeight]

Never mind the endings.

But still imagine a Chuck-MC or Ian-MC spinoff.

Are you looking forward for a gay themed game?

 

[Deleted member 6035931]

Are you looking forward for a gay themed game?

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Chuck or Ian being the MC. Not Chuck x MC!

Wanna see Chuck's hedonistic life.

 

[Ottoeight]

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Chuck or Ian being the MC. Not Chuck x MC!

Wanna see Chuck's hedonistic life.

You're making me think of the Animaniacs' Good Idea/Bad Idea cartoon.

Good Idea: MC's aftermath adventures sequel
Bad Idea: Uncle Chuck's exploitation adventures spin-off

 

[YuNobi1]

A Sequel game with Edwin now running the club or in Kathleen's role sounds amazing. There's a bit of setup for it already, as Kathleen is very much guiding him into a second version of her, not just with the sadism, but with handling internal conflicts, drama, difusing situations (e.g. going to Hana, distracting club members) and managing the house girls. The devs are also laying the groundwork with Dahlia and Harper putting their trust in Edwin, even turning to him for help.

 

[Deleted member 6035931]

A Sequel game with Edwin now running the club or in Kathleen's role sounds amazing. There's a bit of setup for it already, as Kathleen is very much guiding him into a second version of her, not just with the sadism, but with handling internal conflicts, drama, difusing situations (e.g. going to Hana, distracting club members) and managing the house girls. The devs are also laying the groundwork with Dahlia and Harper putting their trust in Edwin, even turning to him for help.

That be fun too. But only if he can overcome the whole "empower whamen" stuff going on in his head. If he becomes a second Kathleen or Chuck I'd wanna see that sequel.

 

[Ottoeight]

Let them finish this one, first. We still have a long road ahead.

 

[se20299]

Some ideas for DLC or bonus content after completion:

*An actual lenghty epilogues/after stories showcasing the consequences of the ending. A simple slideshow epilogue would do this game a disservice.

*Side stories exploring the carnation's past, maybe even stories for characters like Ian, August or even Vicky.

*I'd like to see a full lenght Vicky video tape. I know she's not relevant to the story, but a "lost" bonus tape of Victoria as a bonus side story would be really hot. Hell, a prequel side story featuring Vicky's struggles would be awesome.

*I know this is nitpicky, but the prologue and the present day style look like two different games. Maybe after the story is complete, the dev can redo the prologue and the early parts of the game to look more like the current graphics.

*Also, pls add hidden Ian boipussy route

 

[GIL3D]

*I know this is nitpicky, but the prologue and the present day style look like two different games. Maybe after the story is complete, the dev can redo the prologue and the early parts of the game to look more like the current graphics.

While some of the early work still holds up to some extent, some scenes served as unfortunate trials for mistakes I later learned from and deeply regret. Plus, several game-changing mods have been released in the last year and a half that I really wish I had when we started. All that to say, God I wish I could go back and redo at least the first two chapters of the game, but the story must move forward and TD keeps me busy enough so... that's gonna have to wait.

 

[Gato21]

While some of the early work still holds up to some extent, some scenes served as unfortunate trials for mistakes I later learned from and deeply regret. Plus, several game-changing mods have been released in the last year and a half that I really wish I had when we started. All that to say, God I wish I could go back and redo at least the first two chapters of the game, but the story must move forward and TD keeps me busy enough so... that's gonna have to wait.

Don't sweat it. Plenty of devs with amazing games where the difference between beginning and current scenes is noticeable. Chalk it up as a monument to the strides you've made in your chosen craft.

 

[Takkatakka]

While some of the early work still holds up to some extent, some scenes served as unfortunate trials for mistakes I later learned from and deeply regret. Plus, several game-changing mods have been released in the last year and a half that I really wish I had when we started. All that to say, God I wish I could go back and redo at least the first two chapters of the game, but the story must move forward and TD keeps me busy enough so... that's gonna have to wait.

Yeah, I think progressing the game and the story is much more important then redoing scenes we already have, even if they might not be up to the standard of the newer ones.

Redoing old renders would only make sense, if you would have "down time" while TD is writing with nothing else to do, which probably doesn't really happen.

 

[Deleted member 6035931]

While some of the early work still holds up to some extent, some scenes served as unfortunate trials for mistakes I later learned from and deeply regret. Plus, several game-changing mods have been released in the last year and a half that I really wish I had when we started. All that to say, God I wish I could go back and redo at least the first two chapters of the game, but the story must move forward and TD keeps me busy enough so... that's gonna have to wait.

If its about preventing new players from being turned-off by the old scenes or not continueing playing because of the first impression: A short disclaimer would do, probably.

 

[se20299]

While some of the early work still holds up to some extent, some scenes served as unfortunate trials for mistakes I later learned from and deeply regret. Plus, several game-changing mods have been released in the last year and a half that I really wish I had when we started. All that to say, God I wish I could go back and redo at least the first two chapters of the game, but the story must move forward and TD keeps me busy enough so... that's gonna have to wait.

Please don't get me wrong . My suggestion was more like redoing the beginning after the story is done. I wasn't trying to discredit or disrespect the artist! I was just pointing out the gulf in quality and the rapid improvement of the artist's skills in such a short time. The prologue looks like basic Honey Select style, while the current game looks almost photorealistic, which is astounding considerin most of it's "realistic" conteporaries don't look nearly as polished. Thank you for your hard work

 

[Ottoeight]

*I'd like to see a full lenght Vicky video tape. I know she's not relevant to the story, but a "lost" bonus tape of Victoria as a bonus side story would be really hot. Hell, a prequel side story featuring Vicky's struggles would be awesome.

Creepy and morbid

All that to say, God I wish I could go back and redo at least the first two chapters of the game, but the story must move forward and TD keeps me busy enough so... that's gonna have to wait.

Please, don't look back until you finished the game. Never look back.

 

[TD1900]

*I'd like to see a full length Vicky video tape. I know she's not relevant to the story, but a "lost" bonus tape of Victoria as a bonus side story would be really hot. Hell, a prequel side story featuring Vicky's struggles would be awesome.

Honestly, I'm on the lookout for just half a good reason to do one. The problem is it's so unnecessary when you consider how many flashbacks already get shoved down the player's throat. If the flashbacks were a little more sparse, I could see suddenly being given the full picture as being impactful, but we've already seen Victoria tonguing a fat Samoan guy's asshole. There are some ways I could see it serving a purpose beyond "this is hot" (which alone is the best reason to do anything in a porn game), but those character beats might get accomplished in more elegant ways by that point.

But hey, I was on the lookout to justify a more extended Alice scene and lo' and behold, I found one. So finger's crossed.

EDIT: I always liked how some of the Taimanin games had additional scenes not-quite-connected to the story in the gallery. Like the training diaries in the Yukikaze games and Oboro getting railed on tape in Zero. That's something I always thought would be a cool way to do Victoria's tapes, but the reality is there's just two of us and we can't really justify spending development time on something like that.