VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Darreau91]

Curious if there might be a couple potentials for thruples (specifically Hana and Mina), but there's also a chance that it could blow up in our face and they just become a couple and leave Edwin behind lol

Im personally holding out hope for the goth duo in Hana and Kathleen thruple. Would probably be a bad end though. Hana is Yin to Kathleen’s Yang. Opposites attract and all that.

 

[helo138]

Im personally holding out hope for the goth duo in Hana and Kathleen triple. Would probably be a bad end though. Hana is Yin to Kathleen’s Yang. Opposites attract and all that.

That would be great and seems not totally impossible with a highly corrupted Hana. One can hope.

Edit: I mean romance is probably not in the cards but maybe Edwin and Hana can keep Kathleen as a pet after the take over the club

 

[Zarathos27]

heavily into the romance genre lately with all the media I was consuming

The romance later on is spectacular. There's a morning scene with bacon eggs and abs that's still one of my favorites.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

The romance later on is spectacular. There's a morning scene with bacon eggs and abs that's still one of my favorites.

Oh yeah, I’m starting to see it. The whole thing with Hana so far is growing on me. But reading the comment above yours about a "highly corrupted Hana," I’ll try not to get my hopes up

 

[Turret]

Man, the MC laying in Rose’s lap sucking her breasts like a baby in front of a group of perverted old men is a sight, alright. This shit is crazy lol.

I made Felicia suffer the bukkake punishment even though she’s my favorite of the Carnations. Her attitude was getting on my nerves, and seeing her dumbfounded by Kilian’s sudden shift was satisfying.

Hi!
I really like reading the running commentary of a Frischling (here: fresh Player)! With new eyes through the game. Looking forward to see what you´ll do and how some things will shape for you.
Without spoilering specifics, I consider your choice who gets bukkaked the first week a cardinal mistake on the way to a great end. You might see the why later on a rooftop lounge area.

Romance will play quite a role and there are several great dates to have.

 

[helo138]

Oh yeah, I’m starting to see it. The whole thing with Hana so far is growing on me. But reading the comment above yours about a "highly corrupted Hana," I’ll try not to get my hopes up

These are just paths you can take. Romance with Hana is certainly possible, just not with Kathleen attached me thinks

 

[Julius Kingsley]

Hi!
I really like reading the running commentary of a Frischling (here: fresh Player)! With new eyes through the game. Looking forward to see what you´ll do and how some things will shape for you.
Without spoilering specifics, I consider your choice who gets bukkaked the first week a cardinal mistake on the way to a great end. You might see the why later on a rooftop lounge area.

Romance will play quite a role and there are several great dates to have.

Oh hey there. That sounds intriguing and makes me excited to go through the story. But it’s gotta be a pretty big thing to make me regret that choice, because for me it's all about consequences.

Felicia and her whole snobby attitude (which I know has way more to her left to unravel, and she's already my favorite Carnation now) felt like she deserved that punishment. I promised Rose to help out, so I stuck by the deal, and Veronica just got the worse end of the stick last week, so I didn’t want her to go through the same shit, it would’ve felt like dumping it all on one character.

I precisely disliked how meek and submissive Felicia was to Kathleen.

Edit: Oh, I just read your reply over and realized I got it wrong the first time.
Ah, so it was a necessary sin for a good end. That's what I want to hear. I exactly want her dropping that whole facade, even just a little.

 

[Turret]

Oh hey there. That sounds intriguing and makes me excited to go through the story. But it’s gotta be a pretty big thing to make me regret that choice, because for me it's all about consequences.

Felicia and her whole snobby attitude (which I know has way more to her left to unravel, and she's already my favorite Carnation now) felt like she deserved that punishment. I promised Rose to help out, so I stuck by the deal, and Veronica just got the worse end of the stick last week, so I didn’t want her to go through the same shit, it would’ve felt like dumping it all on one character.

I precisely disliked how meek and submissive Felicia was to Kathleen.

Edit: Oh, I just read your reply over and realized I got it wrong the first time.
Ah, so it was a necessary sin for a good end. That's what I want to hear. I exactly want her dropping that whole facade, even just a little.

Believe me, letting Felicia take the bukkake punishment is a crucial mistake, IMHO. You´ll probalby see why later when we get to know them better and what is at stake in the end. As an aside many players might not have seen then Rosi liked getting bukkaked! If you are there for it you also get bonus points.
By the way, unlike Veronica, Felicia knows quite well what an unmitigated a... Kathleen is and was therefor non-confrontational. You punished her for reading the room well.

 

[prpa]

Oh hey there. That sounds intriguing and makes me excited to go through the story. But it’s gotta be a pretty big thing to make me regret that choice, because for me it's all about consequences.

Felicia and her whole snobby attitude (which I know has way more to her left to unravel, and she's already my favorite Carnation now) felt like she deserved that punishment. I promised Rose to help out, so I stuck by the deal, and Veronica just got the worse end of the stick last week, so I didn’t want her to go through the same shit, it would’ve felt like dumping it all on one character.

I precisely disliked how meek and submissive Felicia was to Kathleen.

Edit: Oh, I just read your reply over and realized I got it wrong the first time.
Ah, so it was a necessary sin for a good end. That's what I want to hear. I exactly want her dropping that whole facade, even just a little.

Also, here’s a minor spoiler: there will be a decision in the future between spending time with Felicia alone or spending time with both Mina and Felicia. My suggestion is to try both paths.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

Believe me, letting Felicia take the bukkake punishment is a crucial mistake, IMHO. You´ll probalby see why later when we get to know them better and what is at stake in the end. As an aside many players might not have seen then Rosi liked getting bukkaked! If you are there for it you also get bonus points.
By the way, unlike Veronica, Felicia knows quite well what an unmitigated a... Kathleen is and was therefor non-confrontational. You punished her for reading the room well.

Oh man, I didn’t need to hear that about Rosi. It just changed how I see her on so many levels lol. But I’ll chalk it up to the stuff Kathleen injected in her, since I haven’t seen that side of her in my playthrough so far.

 

[Turret]

Oh man, I didn’t need to hear that about Rosi. It just changed how I see her on so many levels lol. But I’ll chalk it up to the stuff Kathleen injected in her, since I haven’t seen that side of her in my playthrough so far.

How we see the characters will change several times throughout the game. Sometimes to the better, sometimes to the worse, in addition it depends also on our views in general, if these new information gained is good or bad.
With the information we currently have, I consider Hana, Felicia and Sophia the best fit for a goodish or neutral MC. But what do I know, liking Sophia is a twin-edged sword here. She is a flirt with someone dangerous, if you want to go there.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

How we see the characters will change several times throughout the game. Sometimes to the better, sometimes to the worse, in addition it depends also on our views in general, if these new information gained is good or bad.
With the information we currently have, I consider Hana, Felicia and Sophia the best fit for a goodish or neutral MC. But what do I know, liking Sophia is a twin-edged sword here. She is a flirt with someone dangerous, if you want to go there.

Ok, we should stop here, because I feel like knowing all of this will ruin my experience lol. Even though not seeing Mina amidst those names is getting me concerned, but I guess I’ll find out why.

 

[Turret]

Ok, we should stop here, because I feel like knowing all of this will ruin my experience lol. Even though not seeing Mina amidst those names is getting me concerned, but I guess I’ll find out why.

No problem! As for Mina missing on my list, she is the girlfriend of Edwin´s best friend, so no.

 

[4-kun]

It's not about coddling sensitive players (we've seen worse just getting to the choice), its about roleplaying the main character. When we first learned about the videos, the MC specifically mentioned his desire to delete them once he finally told Victoria that he knew about them and thanked her for what she had done. Well, the moment didn't play out at all the way he thought it would, but is has nonetheless arrived. So why wouldn't he delete the videos? What has changed?

It's a good question. The cheeky answer is that he's horny and doesn't want to give up the spank material now that push has come to show. But while there's some truth in that summary, I think it's a vast oversimplification that obscures a far more significant detail - namely that what intrigues the MC in this moment isn't the sex itself, but rather the 'relationship' between Victoria and Donovan. The MC has seen this tape before (or else he wouldn't have subconsciously recognized Donovan), but at the time it clearly wasn't particularly memorable because it was just one of many tapes his mom made. But now he has a direct, personal link to that tape. Moreover, the link is through Vicky's costar, a man praised by Andrea for looking out for the girls with whom he makes porn. The MC's interest in this tape is suddenly a much less about the images of his mom having sex and much more about peeping into her private life as a whole - which is definitely not the sort of thing a child should be obsessing over.

Granted, this is an AVN not the real world; this sort of incestuous voyeurism is fairly tame in this neck of the woods (even accounting for Patreon's gatekeeping). But I still think it's important to note the disconnect here for two main reasons. First, because any look into Victoria's professional sex life is going to beg questions about how much pleasure she got out of it. Personally, I don't really think that should matter to anyone but Victoria, but that's easy for me to say from the safety of my ivory tower. This is far closer to home for the MC, particularly since it could potentially disrupt the mental image of Victoria he's built upon the principle that she was willing to sacrifice everything to give him the best childhood possible. That's not a knot one should unravel lightly.

But the second and more important reason is that Victoria's behavior makes it crystal clear she does *NOT* want the MC to watch those tapes again. She's so ashamed of that period of her life that the mere thought of having to explain it to her son is enough to send the normally unflappable woman on a drunken bender. This illustrates that the MC's instinct to delete the tapes once the truth was revealed was the right one. The past has to be acknowledged to put Vicky's mind at ease and show that her son still loves her, but once that's done there's no need to revisit it - and certainly no need to go back and analyze the videos for clues about what she was experiencing at the time!

To me, this dilemma about what to do about the old videos ties directly into the longstanding question of whether the MC is a "good" person or not. There's nothing on those videos he needs to see again and it's clear his mom would be humiliated knowing he's continuing to watch them, so the conscientious thing to do would be to never watch them again and delete the files. There's plenty of other porn to watch, so it's not like this is a big sacrifice for the MC. Going back to rewatch those films to satisfy his own morbid curiosity is ultimately another opportunity for the MC to indulge his sadistic side, and given the importance of Victoria (both to the MC and to the story as a whole) subjecting her to his sadistic side - however indirectly - deserves to be treated as a big deal.

And even beyond the simple morality play, this also effectively mirrors the choice Killian is going to have to make now that he knows (or will soon learn, no doubt) that the one woman he still idolizes has far more in common with the sluts he's learned (or more like, been taught) to disrespect than his simplistic world view allows for. Can he learn to separate the two in his mind? Can he keep treating Victoria with respect even if she filmed scenes encouraging people to debase her, or will he get caught up in the images and focus only on the debasement? I suspect Ian will be much better equipped to maintain his respect for Victoria if the MC can keep a lid on his own darker impulses.

Now just to be clear, I'm not saying all this to shame anyone who wants to see the sexy Vicky vids. This is a game, after all, so all's fair for the player. But that's precisely why we get all those save slots - so we can play out different versions of the MC and see what changes. But part of selling those changes is giving us important choices that lead to significantly different outcomes, and to me the decision to delete or rewatch those old films is a crucial example.


There's definitely nothing in the video that caused Victoria to finally confess the truth, not unless the MC downloaded it within the last week! As I said above, I think it popped into his head because he'd met Donovan the previous day and was wondering about how Victoria's view of him would compare to Andrea's. That's a private matter he really shouldn't dig into behind Vicky's back, particularly now that he's seen how raw a nerve the topic is for her.

That's why things have changed now that the truth is out. It's all well and good use her old videos as an empathy crutch, but it rather defeats the purpose if he has to ignore the distress it would cause his own mom to do it. IMHO, anyway.



I don't think the MC had any particular aversion to this particular video, otherwise he'd have remembered that aversion clearly once his brain made the connection. I think his memory is blurry because there were a bunch of videos and there was little to make this particular video stand out... until now.

That said, I actually complained about the convoluted metaphor of the blurry memories in my elephantine review of the update. It's not entirely clear what the blur represents, and it doesn't mesh well with the previous memories the MC has had of Victoria's videos. Perhaps we'll learn more when we see the rest of the story, but for now I think the blur could have been handled better with a little tweaking.

Great summary, dude. I think pretty much the same, at least for now.

The only issue with deleting the videos is that it creates a bit of a disconnect between us and the MC. Unlike him, we didn’t see them ourselves, so we can’t draw our own conclusions about Victoria’s situation.

Don’t get me wrong, I do think deleting them is the right choice for a more balanced MC. I’m just not sure if it means we’re going to exclude ourselves from seeing any further videos with that decision. We’ll probably still get flashbacks, but it’s not the same when you haven’t seen the full picture yourself.

Personally, I have a feeling there might be more to her story than simply being a former porn actress. She moved to a supposedly better studio, yet in the flashbacks we only see cheap, low-budget productions—which isn’t what you’d expect from a reputable company.

It’s too early to draw any final conclusions, but for now, that’s my impression.

 

[Ottoeight]

Great summary, dude. I think pretty much the same, at least for now.

The only issue with deleting the videos is that it creates a bit of a disconnect between us and the MC. Unlike him, we didn’t see them ourselves, so we can’t draw our own conclusions about Victoria’s situation.

Don’t get me wrong, I do think deleting them is the right choice for a more balanced MC. I’m just not sure if it means we’re going to exclude ourselves from seeing any further videos with that decision. We’ll probably still get flashbacks, but it’s not the same when you haven’t seen the full picture yourself.

Personally, I have a feeling there might be more to her story than simply being a former porn actress. She moved to a supposedly better studio, yet in the flashbacks we only see cheap, low-budget productions—which isn’t what you’d expect from a reputable company.

It’s too early to draw any final conclusions, but for now, that’s my impression.

I think you guys are overthinking.

Consequences of Vic's past career is not the main focus.
The main focus is: what happens AT the Club during the 4 exhibition weeks.

Moreover, the story is: what happens in those 4 exhibition weeks. Consequences of them is the epilogue, and you should consider it as an aftermath.

 

[4-kun]

I think you guys are overthinking.

Consequences of Vic's past career is not the main focus.
The main focus is: what happens AT the Club during the 4 exhibition weeks.

Moreover, the story is: what happens in those 4 exhibition weeks. Consequences of them is the epilogue, and you should consider it as an aftermath.

Yes, I agree with that. While the focus of the game is the exhibitions, dealing with Victoria’s past is still an important factor in shaping the MC’s emotional state. I might be wrong since I’m new to the game, but that’s the impression I got after my first playthrough.

 

[ename144]

Also, here’s a minor spoiler: there will be a decision in the future between spending time with Felicia alone or spending time with both Mina and Felicia. My suggestion is to try both paths.

Before that is a decision about whether to spend time with Felicia at all. Let's see if Julius Kingsley does that before we start worrying about whether he should include Mina in the fun.

Great summary, dude. I think pretty much the same, at least for now.

The only issue with deleting the videos is that it creates a bit of a disconnect between us and the MC. Unlike him, we didn’t see them ourselves, so we can’t draw our own conclusions about Victoria’s situation.

Don’t get me wrong, I do think deleting them is the right choice for a more balanced MC. I’m just not sure if it means we’re going to exclude ourselves from seeing any further videos with that decision. We’ll probably still get flashbacks, but it’s not the same when you haven’t seen the full picture yourself.

Personally, I have a feeling there might be more to her story than simply being a former porn actress. She moved to a supposedly better studio, yet in the flashbacks we only see cheap, low-budget productions—which isn’t what you’d expect from a reputable company.

It’s too early to draw any final conclusions, but for now, that’s my impression.

My take was that the videos we've previously seen snippets of (or at least most of them) are the ones Victoria disparaged during her interview with Donovan.

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As for there being more to her story, there's definitely more since we know Chuck is involved somehow. Personally I hope his involvement is mostly peripheral; I think Victoria's story works best as a parallel to the MC's rather than as a direct connection. But we'll see what happens.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

I just reached the part where Mina finds Ian's tape, and I know it was mentioned here a couple of days ago by the writer himself. But that scene where Felicia lets Ian join in the fun with the MC while Mina is in the other room really needs to go. She seems like she genuinely cares about her, and I don't think it fits her character, even though she likes to plays the slut role.

 

[Ottoeight]

I just reached the part where Mina finds Ian's tape, and I know it was mentioned here a couple of days ago by the writer himself. But that scene where Felicia lets Ian join in the fun with the MC while Mina is in the other room really needs to go. She seems like she genuinely cares about her, and I don't think it fits her character, even though she likes to plays the slut role.

Hell No, it doesn't.



I might add that reworking early chapters while the storyline development hasn't reached the ending yet is 110% a death sentence for every Adult Visual Novel.

F95 Zone is almost 10 years old now and I don't remember 1 single Patreon funded adult game that has been completed after its developers started reworking them.

Dear Devs, the GOLDEN RULE IS: ALWAYS move forward and never look back until you've reached the very end of the road.

 

[prpa]

Hell No, it doesn't.



I might add that reworking early chapters while the storyline development hasn't reached the ending yet is 110% a death sentence for every Adult Visual Novel.

F95 Zone is almost 10 years old now and I don't remember 1 single Patreon funded adult game that has been completed after its developers started reworking them.

Dear Devs, the GOLDEN RULE IS: ALWAYS move forward and never look back until you've reached the very end of the road.

TD1900 exact words were:

I'm actually kinda with you there myself, it's one of those things I'd cut if we ever remastered that part of the game. Sure she's kinda begrudging about it, with Ian lording the club thing as a far, but in light of how close her relationship with Mina is characterized in later parts of the game it doesn't feel like "her" when I read it now.

so don't worry, no remaster is planned.