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ename144 said:
It really depends on what you mean by NTR. My somewhat glib response is that if it matters enough for you to ask, then the answer is the opposite of whatever you're hoping for.

The less glib answer is that the game does not feature an NPC stealing a LI from the MC (much less focus on the emotional turmoil of such a thing), which means it does not have netorare in the literal sense; people looking for that sort of content will likely be diappointed. On the other hand, the game does feature a lot of men other than the MC having sex with women; to date we haven't seen that happen with a LI, but it's very likely that will eventually happen, too. This is something a lot of players strongly dislike, and since most of those describe the situation (rightly or wrongly) as NTR, plenty of people will dislike this game and cite NTR as the reason.

IMHO, NTR is just too charged a word to convey useful information at this point, so it's better to focus on the specific material you're curious about rather than trust to a confusingly used umbrella term.



Because language is an evolving entity meant to convey information to other people, not some precise technical spec overseen by an impartial arbiter. If enough people decide to use a word in a new way, that's the reality everyone needs to deal with regardless of what our old dictionaries says. Insisting on your own definition in the face of such a divergence only makes the signal to noise ratio worse.

I'm not keen on using NTR as a broad epithet, but no one is going to be dissuaded by ignoring their arguments just to focus on the technicality.
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In you response to me what you are describing is sharing/swinging/nts call it whatever but its not exactly ntr. I mean if its optional then i think people should be fine with it. Well i wanted to play this game for a while so i thought it will be the best to confirm. Anyways thanks.
 
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ffive said:
Don't forget Ian fucking his caretaker without asking MC for permission or anything and flaunting videos of it. This is pure NTR according to certain folks. :whistle::coffee:
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ffive said:
That's... wrong. NTR doesn't have to involve MC's knowledge. It can be happening 100% behind partner's back and the person being ignorant. It's the player's feelings of "betrayal" (not enjoyment per se, but more the feeling of turmoil and anguish which they can indeed enjoy) which matter.

And the very fact we have this disagreement shows that there isn't 1 correct definition of ntr. Or if there is, it's by no means universal.
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Elduriel said:
you don't have to explain ntr to me, I know the definition. But there are a million users on this site who don't have a freaking clue about it, so I laid out what people may find controversial about this particular game, since their definition of ntr is not necessarily the same as the textbook one, they get offended if they see a dick that doesn't belong to the mc etc and cry ntr. Many of them even confuse nts and ntr. That's it.

That being said, player enjoyment have nothing to do with the genre. Some do, but it's not a requirement
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ename144 said:
It really depends on what you mean by NTR. My somewhat glib response is that if it matters enough for you to ask, then the answer is the opposite of whatever you're hoping for.

The less glib answer is that the game does not feature an NPC stealing a LI from the MC (much less focus on the emotional turmoil of such a thing), which means it does not have netorare in the literal sense; people looking for that sort of content will likely be diappointed. On the other hand, the game does feature a lot of men other than the MC having sex with women; to date we haven't seen that happen with a LI, but it's very likely that will eventually happen, too. This is something a lot of players strongly dislike, and since most of those describe the situation (rightly or wrongly) as NTR, plenty of people will dislike this game and cite NTR as the reason.

IMHO, NTR is just too charged a word to convey useful information at this point, so it's better to focus on the specific material you're curious about rather than trust to a confusingly used umbrella term.

Because language is an evolving entity meant to convey information to other people, not some precise technical spec overseen by an impartial arbiter. If enough people decide to use a word in a new way, that's the reality everyone needs to deal with regardless of what our old dictionaries says. Insisting on your own definition in the face of such a divergence only makes the signal to noise ratio worse.

I'm not keen on using NTR as a broad epithet, but no one is going to be dissuaded by ignoring their arguments just to focus on the technicality.
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Hi guys!
The main problem with NTR, NTS and Netori is that the personal definitions of it are all over the place with the unintended or deliberate missassignment of the terms to situations. There are people who throw NTR/NTS into the same cauldron, even when the NTR and NTS fans are very much on opposing sides. Then the differing scales of "severity" what is NTR/NTS and Netori. To not fan the discussion of this "word defintion game" too much, I would give players the tipp to at least test drive a game, if it fits you. Going by tags alone will not help you and can miss terrific games.
PC is the perfect example for this. I and I am sure quite a number of other players had serious doubts about playing Pale Carnations going by the descriptions. But I gave it a chance and it was the absolute right decision! Pale Carnations is one of the best games on F95, no matter what!

It is much in a similar position in AVNs as X4 is for Space Sims!:)(y)
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Turret said:
Hi guys!
The main problem with NTR, NTS and Netori is that the personal definitions of it are all over the place with the unintended or deliberate missassignment of the terms to situations. There are people who throw NTR/NTS into the same cauldron, even when the NTR and NTS fans are very much on opposing sides. Then the differing scales of "severity" what is NTR/NTS and Netori. To not fan the discussion of this "word defintion game" too much, I would give players the tipp to at least test drive a game, if it fits you. Going by tags alone will not help you and can miss terrific games.
PC is the perfect example for this. I and I am sure quite a number of other players had serious doubts about playing Pale Carnations going by the descriptions. But I gave it a chance and it was the absolute right decision! Pale Carnations is one of the best games on F95, no matter what!

It is much in a similar position in AVNs as X4 is for Space Sims!:)(y)
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I'm gonna quote ename144 here:
ename144 said:
It really depends on what you mean by NTR. My somewhat glib response is that if it matters enough for you to ask, then the answer is the opposite of whatever you're hoping for.
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And that's basically it, when someone asking if there's NTR, the chance they thinking another cock on screen is considered NTR is pretty high. On the other side if you care for NTR and want it, this game won't offer enough/nothing.
 
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ename144 said:
Now that is interesting. It certainly raises many questions (*none* of which are about how attractive Hana is!).
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Absolutely agree with you! It will be very interesting to see the background about hana´s posing. It could be a nice posing for her boyfriend, so us, as it was mentioned that there will be "girlfriend Hana" specific stuff in the next update. On the other hand, the shot could also have different connotations, since we already saw Sophia in a similar attire with our hero asking her what goes on.


So we will have to speculate and wait to see what is correct.

Discrepancy said:
I'm gonna quote ename144 here:

And that's basically it, when someone asking if there's NTR, the chance they thinking another cock on screen is considered NTR is pretty high. On the other side if you care for NTR and want it, this game won't offer enough/nothing.
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I see what you mean! :) Still, since PC is still in development and the general situation is starting to get dicier, NTR situations might arise on some paths. But I agree with you currently PC has not much what could be considered NTR by a majority.
 
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Absolutely agree with you! It will be very interesting to see the background about hana´s posing. It could be a nice posing for her boyfriend, so us, as it was mentioned that there will be "girlfriend Hana" specific stuff in the next update. On the other hand, the shot could also have different connotations, since we already saw Sophia in a similar attire with our hero asking her what goes on.
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God, Hana is just so hot dude. There isn't a more arousing example of "goth gf" than her in all of fiction in recent memory.
She also meshes with Edwin perfectly in handling the fucked up side of things in the club while miraculously also retaining a "pure" side.
 
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imagica said:
Not trying to stir the shit up, but what decision was made regarding it?
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Too late for you, here is your new work batch!:p;)
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Joking aside, we currently do not know what TD and GIL decided concerning the release date. So we will have to wait until we hear about it.:)
 
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"Thank you for agreeing to be the Stand-in today. I wasn't sure you'd say yes, given your new job title. I won't have much time when the carnations arrive later this day so this will help me tremendously. The man I work for is very demanding, you know. He's got a very keen eye for details - even more so than I do. If you're interested, after we're done, we can do a pose he particularly likes. You know how those eccentric men are, maybe he's in the market for a new muse? Okay, let's start. Think of today's session as wrapping yourself in blanket of warm light..."
 
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