VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sourya54]

yes!!! someone have it!!!!

Then, please give it

 

[Idontplay]

He wrote someone, not I.

 

[Turret]

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

Very much agree with you and wrote similarly in my post above. The Allison/Sophia choice will not be problematic as long as it stays the exception rather than the rule. This evening Edwin can explain with a group pressure/having to cater to the whims of the important guests mix, even to himself if he wants to.
I think Hana would see it like that too, as long as it stays an exception due to circumstances.

Generally I think it is better to be FwB with Hana if you are not 100% commited on her route. Because for instance if you have high points with Sophia, them having sex during the orgy and the talk afterwards shows some growing closeness and budding relationship.
It is pretty clear that e.g. Sophia meant her job proposal earnestly, but her social skills are mostly rudimentary so far. She wanted our hero closer to her, not recognising that "cleaning the beakers" would be misunderstood by most people.

 

[dolfe67]

It would be very interesting to know who says this sentence! Depending on which character says this, it could give insights into some developments. It makes a difference if it is a comment by August, Edwin, Abel, Sophia, Kath or even Hana. I doubt it is from Chuck or Warren, who are very much staus quo towards the club. Even Kath is less likely, since she is working behind the scenes for such a "shake up" to occur and she has burned any bridges she had with Felicia and the stunt she pulled.

It is said by Chuck

 

[labmouseblues]

I doubt it is from Chuck

I think the comment aligns with Chuck quite well actually. He strikes me as someone who'd genuinely let a woman like Fel rock the boat if he ever felt the club no longer served his particular brand of hedonism well enough.

It can't really be August, he's a businessman, and so not interested in instability. It can't be Kath for obvious reason. None of the regular patrons seem to pay any attention to the plumbing, so to speak. Abel wouldn't care. It's not the kind of thing that would come out of Hana's mouth.

It really sounds like something either Chuck or Sophia would say.

 

[Rhundurin]

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

Well, since TD liked your comment, I guess this is the way. Now that I think about it, even though months pass between updates for us, how long has it been since Hana and Edwin started dating in-game? Two weeks? They're still super fresh, it's perfectly normal that the boundaries aren't entirely clear yet. And the environment they're in is honestly extraordinary. It’s obviously not going to be easy for two people in their early 20s to try and build a relationship under these conditions.


I normally don't care much about AVN characters, but Hana really stood out to me. I genuinely like her, so I end up obsessing over little details like this. Anyway, thanks for your insights, guys! Thanks to Turret too (idk how to quote more than one person lol)

 

[Turret]

I think the comment aligns with Chuck quite well actually. He strikes me as someone who'd genuinely let a woman like Fel rock the boat if he ever felt the club no longer served his particular brand of hedonism well enough.

It can't really be August, he's a businessman, and so not interested in instability. It can't be Kath for obvious reason. None of the regular patrons seem to pay any attention to the plumbing, so to speak. Abel wouldn't care. It's not the kind of thing that would come out of Hana's mouth.

It really sounds like something either Chuck or Sophia would say.

Yes and no. Yes because Chuck has taken a liking to Felicia, so it could be him who said the sentence. No because both Kath and August lament that chuck wants his club exactly the way he likes it, with no changes, making it more difficult for them with the day-to-day business, esp. for August. He wants more security beyond Warren and Jacob, but Chuck blocks it.

Before the current update, I would also have dismissed August as a potential sayer, but he is clearly displeased with what happens at the club now.

I could be Sophia, if it is part of the plan to keep the club going after taking over.

 

[slightchance]

It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

And you left it ambiguous who you meant by "the two of them". Thankfully the puzzle solved itself a few replies earlier. Apparently you were right leaving it open to interpretation. It's all four of them.

 

[labmouseblues]

No because both Kath and August lament that chuck wants his club exactly the way he likes it

Which is why I think it's Chuck saying it. He already used Kath to shape the club to his liking; among the club's stakeholders, he's the one most likely to see another woman as a tool of potential future course correction.

In fact, Chuck standing in Fel's corner is just about the only way I can think of that would keep her in the race after last episode AND a hint that he's not entirely blind to Kath's tomfoolery. He might actually want Fel around to replace Kath down the line, which would give Fel's path a sort of win condition it's currently missing.

 

[Nulldev]

...He might actually want Fel around to replace Kath down the line, which would give Fel's path a sort of win condition it's currently missing...

To think that Feli has it, what it takes to be Kathleen
Sorry but LOL!

 

[Discrepancy]

Given that it is happening in the club and during a Carnation evening, I doubt that the situation is this clear cut. Hana knows at least partially what goes on during an exhibition evening, how perverted it can become, so it is rather improbable that she would see the Allison/Sophia event as cheating.
Outside their fucked up workplace, this is different. For example, "Having fun" with Rosi at your home is clearly cheating.

Sure having Fun with Rosi would be more cheating than Allison or Sophia, but for me is still cheating because it's a decision of Edwin, and if I understand Hana character right she would think the same.
For me is also a judgement of Edwin as a character or the player, if you chose to commit to Hanna as a serious relationship and still opt to have sex with other women when you could just have chose to be fuck buddy it's a bit messed up for me.
I remember some time ago people complaining about the HanaGF route having no exclusive scenes, and TD talked about it and said they would come, and last update had one. I see this the same but on the opposite, if you commit to Hana and still want to have fun with others on optional scenes I'm sure will have consequences in the future.

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

Yeah I agree with this, what you did on the orgy and some other possible things will come later in the future, maybe Hana will be ok with that but I doubt it.

 

[labmouseblues]

The point would be to have someone who isn't Kath. For obvious reasons.

 

[dolfe67]

Yes and no. Yes because Chuck has taken a liking to Felicia, so it could be him who said the sentence. No because both Kath and August lament that chuck wants his club exactly the way he likes it, with no changes, making it more difficult for them with the day-to-day business, esp. for August. He wants more security beyond Warren and Jacob, but Chuck blocks it.

Before the current update, I would also have dismissed August as a potential sayer, but he is clearly displeased with what happens at the club now.

I could be Sophia, if it is part of the plan to keep the club going after taking over.

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough but on discord we know who says the sentence, and it is in fact Chuck.

 

[labmouseblues]

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough but on discord we know who says the sentence, and it is in fact Chuck.

*insert sexy Jeff Goldblum gesturing*

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

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"The place could benefit from a woman like her, especially if things ever need to be shaken up."

I don´t like where this is going.

 

[ArsenHumby]

I don´t like where this is going.

You may not end up playing week 4 if this makes you uneasy. Shit hasn't hit the fan yet XD

 

[Turret]

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough but on discord we know who says the sentence, and it is in fact Chuck.

Since it was in a discussion about the preview pic, your oneliner was a bit on the lean side, so to speak. But,
a) thanks for the clarification and b)Discord is an annoyance, IMO, so I am rarely there.

Sure having Fun with Rosi would be more cheating than Allison or Sophia, but for me is still cheating because it's a decision of Edwin, and if I understand Hana character right she would think the same.
For me is also a judgement of Edwin as a character or the player, if you chose to commit to Hanna as a serious relationship and still opt to have sex with other women when you could just have chose to be fuck buddy it's a bit messed up for me.
I remember some time ago people complaining about the HanaGF route having no exclusive scenes, and TD talked about it and said they would come, and last update had one. I see this the same but on the opposite, if you commit to Hana and still want to have fun with others on optional scenes I'm sure will have consequences in the future.

Agree with you that it is some kind of cheating and you can see in one of my last posts that I also say that those who do not want to commit to Hana 100%, they should take the FwB choice. Problem solved, since it is pretty clear we can commit to Hana later too, if we want to do so. And the FwB does not hinder you to pursue e.g. Felicia and it helps with high point Sophia (if you chose her), since we can see growing closeness and budding relationship there.

It is simply that an orgy participation Edwin could rationalise for himself and Hana in this specific case.
In m Hana playthrough I chose girlfriend and try to keep sexual encounters with others to a minimum, the club related stuff. In playthroughs for example with Felicia or Sophia in the focus, I chose FwB which is honest with Hana. They are friends, like each other and there is sometimes a bit more, but a relationship might or might not happen in the future.

 

[Discrepancy]

Since it was in a discussion about the preview pic, your oneliner was a bit on the lean side, so to speak. But,
a) thanks for the clarification and b)Discord is an annoyance, IMO, so I am rarely there.

Agree with you that it is some kind of cheating and you can see in one of my last posts that I also say that those who do not want to commit to Hana 100%, they should take the FwB choice. Problem solved, since it is pretty clear we can commit to Hana later too, if we want to do so. And the FwB does not hinder you to pursue e.g. Felicia and it helps with high point Sophia (if you chose her), since we can see growing closeness and budding relationship there.

It is simply that an orgy participation Edwin could rationalise for himself and Hana in this specific case.
In m Hana playthrough I chose girlfriend and try to keep sexual encounters with others to a minimum, the club related stuff. In playthroughs for example with Felicia or Sophia in the focus, I chose FwB which is honest with Hana. They are friends, like each other and there is sometimes a bit more, but a relationship might or might not happen in the future.

Yeah, I read what you said that about Hana but forgot to mention on this post sorry. Yeah no idea why some people chose HanaGF and then cheat on the first chance (well cheating is a common kink, so that might be it)

Oh about the cheating thing, I'm not referring to Rhundurin, he seems to be a big Hana fan and was just wondering why there's no dialogue from Edwin questioning the act and TD already answered that.

And since we talking about cheating on Hana with Sophia/Allison, I hope my Edwin has another chance with Sophia in the future because i chose Allison in the orgy (sorry Turret), but still like Sophia hope she's not cut out for me in the future

 

[FRVN]

And since we talking about cheating on Hana with Sophia/Allison, I hope my Edwin has another chance with Sophia in the future because i chose Allison in the orgy (sorry Turret), but still like Sophia hope she's not cut out for me in the future

I hope so as well, but that's why I have multiple saves now. Went with Sophia on my main save and Allison on my sadist save.

 

[Discrepancy]

I hope so as well, but that's why I have multiple saves now. Went with Sophia on my main save and Allison on my sadist save.

This game is probably becoming a nightmare to code with lots of routes, choices, etc.