VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[TD1900]

Edwin doing it and not having text where he questions himself seems like TD or Gil forgetting about putting it in the game or URM screwing things up

Nah at a certain point, I just thought people got the gist of it. I worried that having Edwin think "what about Hana" for the millionth time is too repetitive.

I do think there's like a line somewhere where Edwin inwardly questions the unclear boundaries of what "at the club" means, but I'm not sure if that's locked into any certain path or not. Lotta balls to juggle. Probably is.

By the way TD does the writing and GIL the renders/animations, anyone know which one does the coding?

Mostly me, but GIL inserts the image calls into the script himself.

 

[Discrepancy]

Nah at a certain point, I just thought people got the gist of it. I worried that having Edwin think "what about Hana" for the millionth time is too repetitive.

I do think there's like a line somewhere where Edwin inwardly questions the unclear boundaries of what "at the club" means, but I'm not sure if that's locked into any certain path or not. Lotta balls to juggle. Probably is.




Mostly me, but GIL inserts the image calls into the script himself.

Thanks for taking your time to answer
Don't want to pressure you too much to answer stuff but a Edwin on Hana GF path fooling around with Sophia or Allison will have consequences right?
And please give me a sexy Nicolette scene soon, maybe with her bartender friend

 

[JumboSalami]

There are very few AVNs I think about on a regular basis, and this is one of them. Crazy that in 2025 the writing and storytelling in a porn game are better than the offerings of mainstream AAA gaming studios. What a time to be alive.

 

[Rhundurin]

Nah at a certain point, I just thought people got the gist of it. I worried that having Edwin think "what about Hana" for the millionth time is too repetitive.

I do think there's like a line somewhere where Edwin inwardly questions the unclear boundaries of what "at the club" means, but I'm not sure if that's locked into any certain path or not. Lotta balls to juggle. Probably is.




Mostly me, but GIL inserts the image calls into the script himself.

Hey TD, first of all, I adore you and GIL’s work, you guys are amazing. You did such an incredible job writing Hana that I’m literally sitting here getting anxious about my relationship with a fictional character, lol.


I’m planning to replay your game soon, but I’m still curious about your thoughts. How do you view Edwin and Hana’s deal? Could you explain the boundaries Hana set in a really clear, straightforward way? I know Edwin belongs to Hana outside the club, and there’s even that “hanaCheat” variable for it. But where exactly are the boundaries drawn inside the Carnation Club? Exhibitions are obviously okay for her, since unfortunately that’s part of Edwin’s job. But the latest Sophia/Allison scenes confused me. Considering Edwin doesn’t have to have sex with these people as part of his job, wouldn’t those scenes count as cheating? Is everything that happens in that building (exhibition or not) okay for her?


I hope I’m not being too much of a pain, Hana is such a gem for me in this otherwise kinda messed-up game, lol. Thanks in advance.

 

[Discrepancy]

Hey TD, first of all, I adore you and GIL’s work, you guys are amazing. You did such an incredible job writing Hana that I’m literally sitting here getting anxious about my relationship with a fictional character, lol.


I’m planning to replay your game soon, but I’m still curious about your thoughts. How do you view Edwin and Hana’s deal? Could you explain the boundaries Hana set in a really clear, straightforward way? I know Edwin belongs to Hana outside the club, and there’s even that “hanaCheat” variable for it. But where exactly are the boundaries drawn inside the Carnation Club? Exhibitions are obviously okay for her, since unfortunately that’s part of Edwin’s job. But the latest Sophia/Allison scenes confused me. Considering Edwin doesn’t have to have sex with these people as part of his job, wouldn’t those scenes count as cheating? Is everything that happens in that building (exhibition or not) okay for her?


I hope I’m not being too much of a pain, Hana is such a gem for me in this otherwise kinda messed-up game, lol. Thanks in advance.

TD answer:

 

[Darreau91]

Looks, it's gonna be a horror game

If the movie Species is any inspiration for the upcoming update, I am down with the Felicia tentacles.

 

[Turret]

Edwin on a Hana GF path having fun with Allison or Sophia seems to me he is cheating on Hana, he didn't had to do it and it's 100% his choice.

But where exactly are the boundaries drawn inside the Carnation Club? Exhibitions are obviously okay for her, since unfortunately that’s part of Edwin’s job. But the latest Sophia/Allison scenes confused me. Considering Edwin doesn’t have to have sex with these people as part of his job, wouldn’t those scenes count as cheating? Is everything that happens in that building (exhibition or not) okay for her?

Given that it is happening in the club and during a Carnation evening, I doubt that the situation is this clear cut. Hana knows at least partially what goes on during an exhibition evening, how perverted it can become, so it is rather improbable that she would see the Allison/Sophia event as cheating.
Outside their fucked up workplace, this is different. For example, "Having fun" with Rosi at your home is clearly cheating.

 

[ename144]

I’m planning to replay your game soon, but I’m still curious about your thoughts. How do you view Edwin and Hana’s deal? Could you explain the boundaries Hana set in a really clear, straightforward way? I know Edwin belongs to Hana outside the club, and there’s even that “hanaCheat” variable for it. But where exactly are the boundaries drawn inside the Carnation Club? Exhibitions are obviously okay for her, since unfortunately that’s part of Edwin’s job. But the latest Sophia/Allison scenes confused me. Considering Edwin doesn’t have to have sex with these people as part of his job, wouldn’t those scenes count as cheating? Is everything that happens in that building (exhibition or not) okay for her?

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

 

[sourya54]

yes!!! someone have it!!!!

Then, please give it

 

[Idontplay]

He wrote someone, not I.

 

[Turret]

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

Very much agree with you and wrote similarly in my post above. The Allison/Sophia choice will not be problematic as long as it stays the exception rather than the rule. This evening Edwin can explain with a group pressure/having to cater to the whims of the important guests mix, even to himself if he wants to.
I think Hana would see it like that too, as long as it stays an exception due to circumstances.

Generally I think it is better to be FwB with Hana if you are not 100% commited on her route. Because for instance if you have high points with Sophia, them having sex during the orgy and the talk afterwards shows some growing closeness and budding relationship.
It is pretty clear that e.g. Sophia meant her job proposal earnestly, but her social skills are mostly rudimentary so far. She wanted our hero closer to her, not recognising that "cleaning the beakers" would be misunderstood by most people.

 

[dolfe67]

It would be very interesting to know who says this sentence! Depending on which character says this, it could give insights into some developments. It makes a difference if it is a comment by August, Edwin, Abel, Sophia, Kath or even Hana. I doubt it is from Chuck or Warren, who are very much staus quo towards the club. Even Kath is less likely, since she is working behind the scenes for such a "shake up" to occur and she has burned any bridges she had with Felicia and the stunt she pulled.

It is said by Chuck

 

[labmouseblues]

I doubt it is from Chuck

I think the comment aligns with Chuck quite well actually. He strikes me as someone who'd genuinely let a woman like Fel rock the boat if he ever felt the club no longer served his particular brand of hedonism well enough.

It can't really be August, he's a businessman, and so not interested in instability. It can't be Kath for obvious reason. None of the regular patrons seem to pay any attention to the plumbing, so to speak. Abel wouldn't care. It's not the kind of thing that would come out of Hana's mouth.

It really sounds like something either Chuck or Sophia would say.

 

[Rhundurin]

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

Well, since TD liked your comment, I guess this is the way. Now that I think about it, even though months pass between updates for us, how long has it been since Hana and Edwin started dating in-game? Two weeks? They're still super fresh, it's perfectly normal that the boundaries aren't entirely clear yet. And the environment they're in is honestly extraordinary. It’s obviously not going to be easy for two people in their early 20s to try and build a relationship under these conditions.


I normally don't care much about AVN characters, but Hana really stood out to me. I genuinely like her, so I end up obsessing over little details like this. Anyway, thanks for your insights, guys! Thanks to Turret too (idk how to quote more than one person lol)

 

[Turret]

I think the comment aligns with Chuck quite well actually. He strikes me as someone who'd genuinely let a woman like Fel rock the boat if he ever felt the club no longer served his particular brand of hedonism well enough.

It can't really be August, he's a businessman, and so not interested in instability. It can't be Kath for obvious reason. None of the regular patrons seem to pay any attention to the plumbing, so to speak. Abel wouldn't care. It's not the kind of thing that would come out of Hana's mouth.

It really sounds like something either Chuck or Sophia would say.

Yes and no. Yes because Chuck has taken a liking to Felicia, so it could be him who said the sentence. No because both Kath and August lament that chuck wants his club exactly the way he likes it, with no changes, making it more difficult for them with the day-to-day business, esp. for August. He wants more security beyond Warren and Jacob, but Chuck blocks it.

Before the current update, I would also have dismissed August as a potential sayer, but he is clearly displeased with what happens at the club now.

I could be Sophia, if it is part of the plan to keep the club going after taking over.

 

[slightchance]

It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

And you left it ambiguous who you meant by "the two of them". Thankfully the puzzle solved itself a few replies earlier. Apparently you were right leaving it open to interpretation. It's all four of them.

 

[labmouseblues]

No because both Kath and August lament that chuck wants his club exactly the way he likes it

Which is why I think it's Chuck saying it. He already used Kath to shape the club to his liking; among the club's stakeholders, he's the one most likely to see another woman as a tool of potential future course correction.

In fact, Chuck standing in Fel's corner is just about the only way I can think of that would keep her in the race after last episode AND a hint that he's not entirely blind to Kath's tomfoolery. He might actually want Fel around to replace Kath down the line, which would give Fel's path a sort of win condition it's currently missing.

 

[Nulldev]

...He might actually want Fel around to replace Kath down the line, which would give Fel's path a sort of win condition it's currently missing...

To think that Feli has it, what it takes to be Kathleen
Sorry but LOL!

 

[Discrepancy]

Given that it is happening in the club and during a Carnation evening, I doubt that the situation is this clear cut. Hana knows at least partially what goes on during an exhibition evening, how perverted it can become, so it is rather improbable that she would see the Allison/Sophia event as cheating.
Outside their fucked up workplace, this is different. For example, "Having fun" with Rosi at your home is clearly cheating.

Sure having Fun with Rosi would be more cheating than Allison or Sophia, but for me is still cheating because it's a decision of Edwin, and if I understand Hana character right she would think the same.
For me is also a judgement of Edwin as a character or the player, if you chose to commit to Hanna as a serious relationship and still opt to have sex with other women when you could just have chose to be fuck buddy it's a bit messed up for me.
I remember some time ago people complaining about the HanaGF route having no exclusive scenes, and TD talked about it and said they would come, and last update had one. I see this the same but on the opposite, if you commit to Hana and still want to have fun with others on optional scenes I'm sure will have consequences in the future.

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

Yeah I agree with this, what you did on the orgy and some other possible things will come later in the future, maybe Hana will be ok with that but I doubt it.

 

[labmouseblues]

The point would be to have someone who isn't Kath. For obvious reasons.