VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

Yeah no idea why some people chose HanaGF and then cheat on the first chance (well cheating is a common kink, so that might be it)

When it comes to cheating, cuckolding, sharing, swinging, bullying in games, there is often nothing rational about it. For instance in another thread a lot of players play the MMC like a loser doormat and then complain that the guy comes across like a total loser. Or when NTR and sharing/swinging are thrown together into one cauldron, when both fan bases are on opposite(!) ends of a continuum.

And since we talking about cheating on Hana with Sophia/Allison, I hope my Edwin has another chance with Sophia in the future because i chose Allison in the orgy (sorry Turret), but still like Sophia hope she's not cut out for me in the future

No problem, Chummer! So far I only played routes with max or near max Sophia points, so I cannot say if the dialog between them in the orgy is different if you just scraped by with minimum Sophia points. With high points it becomes rather obvious that two eccentrics (Edwin less, Sophia more so on the eccentrism scale) are warming up to each other and there is growing closeness, even possible budding relationship.
I estimate Edwin can get closer to Sophia too at a later date if you did not chose her in the orgy, but I think the chances are vastly greater if you choose her consistently.

 

[Discrepancy]

No problem, Chummer! So far I only played routes with max or near max Sophia points, so I cannot say if the dialog between them in the orgy is different if you just scraped by with minimum Sophia points. With high points it becomes rather obvious that two eccentrics (Edwin less, Sophia more so on the eccentrism scale) are warming up to each other and there is growing closeness, even possible budding relationship.
I estimate Edwin can get closer to Sophia too at a later date if you did not chose her in the orgy, but I think the chances are vastly greater if you choose her consistently.

Yeah I assume I have points with Sophia, always took the "right" choices as far as I know and I got the scene with her no problem, but since it was her or Allison, and Allison is kinda the Type I fall for easy (like Felish) i had to chose her for my Edwin canon, still like Sophia though, not as much as you ofc, but you are Sophia number one fan

 

[Turret]

Yeah I assume I have points with Sophia, always took the "right" choices as far as I know and I got the scene with her no problem, but since it was her or Allison, and Allison is kinda the Type I fall for easy (like Felish) i had to chose her for my Edwin canon, still like Sophia though, not as much as you ofc, but you are Sophia number one fan

That is absolutely ok you chosing Allison. She is your type and a movie star, as Edwin himself mentions where else would someone like him meet a movie star and get the chance to be "entangled" with her than the club.
Concerning the game; i am sure Kath chose Allison for a reason and that is to mess up the Elias/Felicia and Edwin/Hana relationships.
I do not know if I am Sophia fan number one, but there is a number of other members in the thread who think so too. There might be something to it.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

You may not end up playing week 4 if this makes you uneasy. Shit hasn't hit the fan yet XD

They can do whatever they want, I´ll still play regardless. I´m sure I´ll like the update, I just may not like what happens in it.

 

[Ozymandias037]

Well, since TD liked your comment, I guess this is the way. Now that I think about it, even though months pass between updates for us, how long has it been since Hana and Edwin started dating in-game? Two weeks? They're still super fresh, it's perfectly normal that the boundaries aren't entirely clear yet. And the environment they're in is honestly extraordinary. It’s obviously not going to be easy for two people in their early 20s to try and build a relationship under these conditions.


I normally don't care much about AVN characters, but Hana really stood out to me. I genuinely like her, so I end up obsessing over little details like this. Anyway, thanks for your insights, guys! Thanks to Turret too (idk how to quote more than one person lol)

You can quote multiple posts pretty easily, thankfully! Instead of clicking "Reply" on a post you want to respond to, you can click "Quote." Do that with as many posts as you want/need. Then, at the bottom of the page, under the text box for a reply, you'll see a button that says "Insert quotes..." Click on that and you can quote as many posts in your reply as you like.

 

[harsha_26]

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"The place could benefit from a woman like her, especially if things ever need to be shaken up."

Can somebody explain the meaning of these lines in a layman language?

 

[harsha_26]

Which is why I think it's Chuck saying it. He already used Kath to shape the club to his liking; among the club's stakeholders, he's the one most likely to see another woman as a tool of potential future course correction.

In fact, Chuck standing in Fel's corner is just about the only way I can think of that would keep her in the race after last episode AND a hint that he's not entirely blind to Kath's tomfoolery. He might actually want Fel around to replace Kath down the line, which would give Fel's path a sort of win condition it's currently missing.

I know felicia wants patron position in club, somehow kath's position is more or less equal to patron (clear me if I'm wrong please), so fel may be okay to take that position in club ending.

But, why felicia would be okay to work under chuck, especially after elias reveal? For fame and money? Even after all this that happened to her and she is devastated on stage?

There could be same deal waiting for her under august also. Whose better than her to replace kath than the one who faced the worst emotions on stage and survived?

 

[labmouseblues]

But, why felicia would be okay to work under chuck, especially after elias reveal?

Maybe I'm reading too much into the hints we got regarding the extent of his involvement with Three Letter Agencies, but I'm getting the distinct impression Chuck can offer levels of protection no one else at the club can.

 

[harsha_26]

Maybe I'm reading too much into the hints we got regarding the extent of his involvement with Three Letter Agencies, but I'm getting the distinct impression Chuck can offer levels of protection no one else at the club can.

Sure he may have resources more than anyone else, but why felicia will trust a man who is one of the mastermind in elias scheme and it's proven openly in last update? Isn't it better to support august? And we are ignoring one important person in all this. The MC. MC having trust stats with both august and chuck. So, I think Felicia have equal opportunities to replace kath in club ending with either of the boss factions, but it's more trusted for felicia to go with august unless chuck have a change of heart and may become more good in his dying days. Old men tend to do that quite common in real life as well.

 

[Idontplay]

Do any of you really think Felicia has the power to support anyone in the club? Yet the last update was pretty clear: Felicia was only a tool to bring Elias in the club. She was a trophy wife, but now, since her clever plot backfired in a spectacular way, she is just an Elias' asset.

 

[labmouseblues]

Isn't it better to support august?

August has no particular reason to deal with Fel, and Fel has nothing to offer him. They're practically strangers.

Look, if Chuck goes "Hey girl, I know your big plan for comfortable independence backfired like a cheap Chinese EV, but I'm willing to give you a job and protection from your husband", I can't see Fel turning that kind of offer down, when that's ostensibly what her goal was all along. I don't think trust would be a factor here.

 

[harsha_26]

Do any of you really think Felicia has the power to support anyone in the club? Yet the last update was pretty clear: Felicia was only a tool to bring Elias in the club. She was a trophy wife, but now, since her clever plot backfired in a spectacular way, she is just an Elias' asset.

It's all started on those new preview's two lines. If those two lines never uttered in the game, We would also would have thought felicia have no future in club other than being a house girl in bad endings. It is just speculation. Yes, she is a tool to bring elias. But, now that tool's use is over. So, she is no longer a Elias Asset too because her marriage is already deteriorated. She does not belong to club or elias now, does not have any debt like rosalind, she does not have any mortagage running on her gym like veronica. Her only issue is, how to survive from now on because of no support from anyone. She have all the options to leave carnation and go for art if she don't have any great future inside the club. That's what MC hints to her in last update meet.

 

[harsha_26]

August has no particular reason to deal with Fel, and Fel has nothing to offer him. They're practically strangers.

Look, if Chuck goes "Hey girl, I know your big plan for comfortable independence backfired like a cheap Chinese EV, but I'm willing to give you a job and protection from your husband", I can't see Fel turning that kind of offer down, when that's ostensibly what her goal was all along. I don't think trust would be a factor here.

May be a low confidence feli would accept that regardless of trust issues. Moreover her goal is to become one of patron. Not a job.

 

[Idontplay]

It's all started on those new preview's two lines. If those two lines never uttered in the game, We would also would have thought felicia have no future in club other than being a house girl in bad endings. It is just speculation. Yes, she is a tool to bring elias. But, now that tool's use is over. So, she is no longer a Elias Asset too because her marriage is already deteriorated. She does not belong to club or elias now, does not have any debt like rosalind, she does not have any mortagage running on her gym like veronica. Her only issue is, how to survive from now on because of no support from anyone. She have all the options to leave carnation and go for art if she don't have any great future inside the club. That's what MC hints to her in last update meet.

Those are sentences without context. It is more likely she will be used by some club member to manipulate in some way Elias or by Elias to manipulate some club member, since now she has nothing to offer to the club, but she can be used by the club.

 

[harsha_26]

Those are sentences without context. It is more likely she will be used by some club member to manipulate in some way Elias or by Elias to manipulate some club member, since now she has nothing to offer to the club, but she can be used by the club.

Since MC already encouraged her to take Art Or even if fel chose club, MC is there to help her take better decisions? And since Feli have no friends close in club except MC, she may listen to him more than club members? I accept that there may be bad endings to her. But, at the same time, there are multiple ways which we can get good endings too inside or out side of the job. I don't know why you are completely ignoring the MC of this game. He is not there just to see and watch everything upto the end while main characters do their things without MC's involvement upto the end of the game. He gets his time too take worthy decisions.

 

[Idontplay]

Actually I was talking about the club members and the possibility that Felicia could support one of them.

 

[Rhundurin]

Oh about the cheating thing, I'm not referring to Rhundurin, he seems to be a big Hana fan and was just wondering why there's no dialogue from Edwin questioning the act and TD already answered that.

Yeah, I’d never do that to my girl Hana. I just wanted to see the dialogue changes in my HanaGF save. Also, isn’t the orgy scene inevitable, or do I remember it wrong? Either way, I felt bad playing through that scene

You can quote multiple posts pretty easily, thankfully! Instead of clicking "Reply" on a post you want to respond to, you can click "Quote." Do that with as many posts as you want/need. Then, at the bottom of the page, under the text box for a reply, you'll see a button that says "Insert quotes..." Click on that and you can quote as many posts in your reply as you like.

Thanks Ozy, it worked I guess.

 

[harsha_26]

Actually I was talking about the club members and the possibility that Felicia could support one of them.

Ohh.. Anyway, I prefer her to be outside of club. So, whatever. I wish confidence points matters in next update rather than end game.

 

[Discrepancy]

Yeah, I’d never do that to my girl Hana. I just wanted to see the dialogue changes in my HanaGF save. Also, isn’t the orgy scene inevitable, or do I remember it wrong? Either way, I felt bad playing through that scene

The orgy is inevitable, but fucking Sophia or Allison isn't just avoidable, you have to "work" or be nice to them to have the chance to do it.
Dalia will still have a bit of fun with Edwin I think without choice on your part.

 

[ffive]

I don´t like where this is going.

That's basically the game's tagline.