VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Discrepancy]

Given that it is happening in the club and during a Carnation evening, I doubt that the situation is this clear cut. Hana knows at least partially what goes on during an exhibition evening, how perverted it can become, so it is rather improbable that she would see the Allison/Sophia event as cheating.
Outside their fucked up workplace, this is different. For example, "Having fun" with Rosi at your home is clearly cheating.

Sure having Fun with Rosi would be more cheating than Allison or Sophia, but for me is still cheating because it's a decision of Edwin, and if I understand Hana character right she would think the same.
For me is also a judgement of Edwin as a character or the player, if you chose to commit to Hanna as a serious relationship and still opt to have sex with other women when you could just have chose to be fuck buddy it's a bit messed up for me.
I remember some time ago people complaining about the HanaGF route having no exclusive scenes, and TD talked about it and said they would come, and last update had one. I see this the same but on the opposite, if you commit to Hana and still want to have fun with others on optional scenes I'm sure will have consequences in the future.

My take is that there *is* no clear boundary on the Hana Girlfriend path. It was left deliberately ambiguous because the two of them aren't entirely sure how to handle the plethora of edge cases they're likely to encounter around the Club.

In practical terms, I expect that means the Sophia/Allison scene (and others like it down the line) will eventually lead to a conversation between the MC and Hana, and the future of the relationship will depend on how the two of them decide to handle things like this: the more frequently the MC seeks out this sort of exception, the less happy Hana will be about it (unless something else changes).

But that's just my guess.

Yeah I agree with this, what you did on the orgy and some other possible things will come later in the future, maybe Hana will be ok with that but I doubt it.

 

[labmouseblues]

The point would be to have someone who isn't Kath. For obvious reasons.

 

[dolfe67]

Yes and no. Yes because Chuck has taken a liking to Felicia, so it could be him who said the sentence. No because both Kath and August lament that chuck wants his club exactly the way he likes it, with no changes, making it more difficult for them with the day-to-day business, esp. for August. He wants more security beyond Warren and Jacob, but Chuck blocks it.

Before the current update, I would also have dismissed August as a potential sayer, but he is clearly displeased with what happens at the club now.

I could be Sophia, if it is part of the plan to keep the club going after taking over.

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough but on discord we know who says the sentence, and it is in fact Chuck.

 

[labmouseblues]

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough but on discord we know who says the sentence, and it is in fact Chuck.

*insert sexy Jeff Goldblum gesturing*

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

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"The place could benefit from a woman like her, especially if things ever need to be shaken up."

I don´t like where this is going.

 

[ArsenHumby]

I don´t like where this is going.

You may not end up playing week 4 if this makes you uneasy. Shit hasn't hit the fan yet XD

 

[Turret]

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough but on discord we know who says the sentence, and it is in fact Chuck.

Since it was in a discussion about the preview pic, your oneliner was a bit on the lean side, so to speak. But,
a) thanks for the clarification and b)Discord is an annoyance, IMO, so I am rarely there.

Sure having Fun with Rosi would be more cheating than Allison or Sophia, but for me is still cheating because it's a decision of Edwin, and if I understand Hana character right she would think the same.
For me is also a judgement of Edwin as a character or the player, if you chose to commit to Hanna as a serious relationship and still opt to have sex with other women when you could just have chose to be fuck buddy it's a bit messed up for me.
I remember some time ago people complaining about the HanaGF route having no exclusive scenes, and TD talked about it and said they would come, and last update had one. I see this the same but on the opposite, if you commit to Hana and still want to have fun with others on optional scenes I'm sure will have consequences in the future.

Agree with you that it is some kind of cheating and you can see in one of my last posts that I also say that those who do not want to commit to Hana 100%, they should take the FwB choice. Problem solved, since it is pretty clear we can commit to Hana later too, if we want to do so. And the FwB does not hinder you to pursue e.g. Felicia and it helps with high point Sophia (if you chose her), since we can see growing closeness and budding relationship there.

It is simply that an orgy participation Edwin could rationalise for himself and Hana in this specific case.
In m Hana playthrough I chose girlfriend and try to keep sexual encounters with others to a minimum, the club related stuff. In playthroughs for example with Felicia or Sophia in the focus, I chose FwB which is honest with Hana. They are friends, like each other and there is sometimes a bit more, but a relationship might or might not happen in the future.

 

[Discrepancy]

Since it was in a discussion about the preview pic, your oneliner was a bit on the lean side, so to speak. But,
a) thanks for the clarification and b)Discord is an annoyance, IMO, so I am rarely there.

Agree with you that it is some kind of cheating and you can see in one of my last posts that I also say that those who do not want to commit to Hana 100%, they should take the FwB choice. Problem solved, since it is pretty clear we can commit to Hana later too, if we want to do so. And the FwB does not hinder you to pursue e.g. Felicia and it helps with high point Sophia (if you chose her), since we can see growing closeness and budding relationship there.

It is simply that an orgy participation Edwin could rationalise for himself and Hana in this specific case.
In m Hana playthrough I chose girlfriend and try to keep sexual encounters with others to a minimum, the club related stuff. In playthroughs for example with Felicia or Sophia in the focus, I chose FwB which is honest with Hana. They are friends, like each other and there is sometimes a bit more, but a relationship might or might not happen in the future.

Yeah, I read what you said that about Hana but forgot to mention on this post sorry. Yeah no idea why some people chose HanaGF and then cheat on the first chance (well cheating is a common kink, so that might be it)

Oh about the cheating thing, I'm not referring to Rhundurin, he seems to be a big Hana fan and was just wondering why there's no dialogue from Edwin questioning the act and TD already answered that.

And since we talking about cheating on Hana with Sophia/Allison, I hope my Edwin has another chance with Sophia in the future because i chose Allison in the orgy (sorry Turret), but still like Sophia hope she's not cut out for me in the future

 

[FRVN]

And since we talking about cheating on Hana with Sophia/Allison, I hope my Edwin has another chance with Sophia in the future because i chose Allison in the orgy (sorry Turret), but still like Sophia hope she's not cut out for me in the future

I hope so as well, but that's why I have multiple saves now. Went with Sophia on my main save and Allison on my sadist save.

 

[Discrepancy]

I hope so as well, but that's why I have multiple saves now. Went with Sophia on my main save and Allison on my sadist save.

This game is probably becoming a nightmare to code with lots of routes, choices, etc.

 

[Turret]

Yeah no idea why some people chose HanaGF and then cheat on the first chance (well cheating is a common kink, so that might be it)

When it comes to cheating, cuckolding, sharing, swinging, bullying in games, there is often nothing rational about it. For instance in another thread a lot of players play the MMC like a loser doormat and then complain that the guy comes across like a total loser. Or when NTR and sharing/swinging are thrown together into one cauldron, when both fan bases are on opposite(!) ends of a continuum.

And since we talking about cheating on Hana with Sophia/Allison, I hope my Edwin has another chance with Sophia in the future because i chose Allison in the orgy (sorry Turret), but still like Sophia hope she's not cut out for me in the future

No problem, Chummer! So far I only played routes with max or near max Sophia points, so I cannot say if the dialog between them in the orgy is different if you just scraped by with minimum Sophia points. With high points it becomes rather obvious that two eccentrics (Edwin less, Sophia more so on the eccentrism scale) are warming up to each other and there is growing closeness, even possible budding relationship.
I estimate Edwin can get closer to Sophia too at a later date if you did not chose her in the orgy, but I think the chances are vastly greater if you choose her consistently.

 

[Discrepancy]

No problem, Chummer! So far I only played routes with max or near max Sophia points, so I cannot say if the dialog between them in the orgy is different if you just scraped by with minimum Sophia points. With high points it becomes rather obvious that two eccentrics (Edwin less, Sophia more so on the eccentrism scale) are warming up to each other and there is growing closeness, even possible budding relationship.
I estimate Edwin can get closer to Sophia too at a later date if you did not chose her in the orgy, but I think the chances are vastly greater if you choose her consistently.

Yeah I assume I have points with Sophia, always took the "right" choices as far as I know and I got the scene with her no problem, but since it was her or Allison, and Allison is kinda the Type I fall for easy (like Felish) i had to chose her for my Edwin canon, still like Sophia though, not as much as you ofc, but you are Sophia number one fan

 

[Turret]

Yeah I assume I have points with Sophia, always took the "right" choices as far as I know and I got the scene with her no problem, but since it was her or Allison, and Allison is kinda the Type I fall for easy (like Felish) i had to chose her for my Edwin canon, still like Sophia though, not as much as you ofc, but you are Sophia number one fan

That is absolutely ok you chosing Allison. She is your type and a movie star, as Edwin himself mentions where else would someone like him meet a movie star and get the chance to be "entangled" with her than the club.
Concerning the game; i am sure Kath chose Allison for a reason and that is to mess up the Elias/Felicia and Edwin/Hana relationships.
I do not know if I am Sophia fan number one, but there is a number of other members in the thread who think so too. There might be something to it.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

You may not end up playing week 4 if this makes you uneasy. Shit hasn't hit the fan yet XD

They can do whatever they want, I´ll still play regardless. I´m sure I´ll like the update, I just may not like what happens in it.

 

[Ozymandias037]

Well, since TD liked your comment, I guess this is the way. Now that I think about it, even though months pass between updates for us, how long has it been since Hana and Edwin started dating in-game? Two weeks? They're still super fresh, it's perfectly normal that the boundaries aren't entirely clear yet. And the environment they're in is honestly extraordinary. It’s obviously not going to be easy for two people in their early 20s to try and build a relationship under these conditions.


I normally don't care much about AVN characters, but Hana really stood out to me. I genuinely like her, so I end up obsessing over little details like this. Anyway, thanks for your insights, guys! Thanks to Turret too (idk how to quote more than one person lol)

You can quote multiple posts pretty easily, thankfully! Instead of clicking "Reply" on a post you want to respond to, you can click "Quote." Do that with as many posts as you want/need. Then, at the bottom of the page, under the text box for a reply, you'll see a button that says "Insert quotes..." Click on that and you can quote as many posts in your reply as you like.

 

[harsha_26]

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"The place could benefit from a woman like her, especially if things ever need to be shaken up."

Can somebody explain the meaning of these lines in a layman language?

 

[harsha_26]

Which is why I think it's Chuck saying it. He already used Kath to shape the club to his liking; among the club's stakeholders, he's the one most likely to see another woman as a tool of potential future course correction.

In fact, Chuck standing in Fel's corner is just about the only way I can think of that would keep her in the race after last episode AND a hint that he's not entirely blind to Kath's tomfoolery. He might actually want Fel around to replace Kath down the line, which would give Fel's path a sort of win condition it's currently missing.

I know felicia wants patron position in club, somehow kath's position is more or less equal to patron (clear me if I'm wrong please), so fel may be okay to take that position in club ending.

But, why felicia would be okay to work under chuck, especially after elias reveal? For fame and money? Even after all this that happened to her and she is devastated on stage?

There could be same deal waiting for her under august also. Whose better than her to replace kath than the one who faced the worst emotions on stage and survived?

 

[labmouseblues]

But, why felicia would be okay to work under chuck, especially after elias reveal?

Maybe I'm reading too much into the hints we got regarding the extent of his involvement with Three Letter Agencies, but I'm getting the distinct impression Chuck can offer levels of protection no one else at the club can.

 

[harsha_26]

Maybe I'm reading too much into the hints we got regarding the extent of his involvement with Three Letter Agencies, but I'm getting the distinct impression Chuck can offer levels of protection no one else at the club can.

Sure he may have resources more than anyone else, but why felicia will trust a man who is one of the mastermind in elias scheme and it's proven openly in last update? Isn't it better to support august? And we are ignoring one important person in all this. The MC. MC having trust stats with both august and chuck. So, I think Felicia have equal opportunities to replace kath in club ending with either of the boss factions, but it's more trusted for felicia to go with august unless chuck have a change of heart and may become more good in his dying days. Old men tend to do that quite common in real life as well.

 

[Idontplay]

Do any of you really think Felicia has the power to support anyone in the club? Yet the last update was pretty clear: Felicia was only a tool to bring Elias in the club. She was a trophy wife, but now, since her clever plot backfired in a spectacular way, she is just an Elias' asset.