VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[satirious]

I remembered the incident when Katlin called MC's mother. That is, this is a hint that Kat can easily get to Victoria if MC starts doing crazy things. In other words, MC is tied hand and foot. I hope after this "festival of unbridled fun" with the participation of the Carnations, he will be free in his actions. However, I am not so sure about Rosalind - she can become a "house girl" for some time.

His tuition, and thus his future career as a doctor, are forever linked to those entities that he's working for and with. Forever in the pocket of them and those that will take over for them in the years to come. That's the forward thinking he didn't do when he first signed on. It's the future he didn't even consider when Kathleen made it clear from the jump that all he knows and loves is fair game. Good thing for them he isn't capable of caring enough about anyone else to give a shit.

 

[link18]

Bro turned Edwin into a terrorist. any changes to the establishment will come with cunningness and intelligence, not with IEDs and AK47s
and remember the club's next generation is his childhood friend (Ian) and potential girlfriend (Hana)

 

[michelazzo]

Hi all, by any chance anyone able to create the Mac version?

 

[Suntar]

His tuition, and thus his future career as a doctor, are forever linked to those entities that he's working for and with. Forever in the pocket of them and those that will take over for them in the years to come. That's the forward thinking he didn't do when he first signed on. It's the future he didn't even consider when Kathleen made it clear from the jump that all he knows and loves is fair game. Good thing for them he isn't capable of caring enough about anyone else to give a shit.

By that logic Edwin didn't have a choice but to work for them the moment he set foot in the building...

 

[satirious]

By that logic Edwin didn't have a choice but to work for them the moment he set foot in the building...

Not the second he walked in. The moment he accepted Chucks offer for sure though. And his best bro Ian knows full well what swamp he was leading the MC into.

 

[ffive]

Good thing for them he isn't capable of caring enough about anyone else to give a shit.

I'd say he does care, just isn't enough of a violent psychopath to blow up buildings full of innocent people over it as if it was no biggie. Both Chuck and Kat are indeed smart enough to realize it, and that they don't need to be afraid of the kid.

 

[SixtyNineGaming]

Playing it all the way from the beginning took me a week but I'm very happy I did that. This is one of the best written VNs on this site. The character writing and personality consistency is incredible. This game also has one of the most well written MCs - he is open, witty and has a point of view, unlike the blank doormats in most VNs.
I also love how the dev doesnt drag plot points unnecessarily - the story moves quickly and plot threads aren't left dangling forever.

 

[satirious]

I'd say he does care, just isn't enough of a violent psychopath to blow up buildings full of innocent people over it as if it was no biggie. Both Chuck and Kat are indeed smart enough to realize it, and that they don't need to be afraid of the kid.

Where as I think it takes a heartless psychopath to stand by and do nothing at all while those same people target your mother. I guess we shall agree to disagree on that one.

Doesn't change the fact that the rage and violence mentioned early on are worthless character traits when the MC is going to chug another beer while Rosalind sucks him off and his mother get's abused by the likes of Grace and Chuck and Kathleen.

 

[MoBy28]

You're missing the point entirely.

The fact that he could blow that building in place because he has
1. The technical know how
2. Easy access to the necessary information and materials necessary
3. A history of harsh violence
4. An assumed (by Chuck and Kathleen at least) dark sadistic personality
5. Youthful lack of future forward thinking

All of that makes him someone you don't just fuck with for shits and giggles if you are as smart as Chuck and Kathleen are supposed to be. The fact that he has done zero zilch nada thus far means he isn't doing shit no matter what Victoria reveals or keeps to herself. That is the point I'm making. He's sold his soul for tuition. Victoria's situation is a nice cliffhanger and little more.

Chuck isn't really messing with the MC as much as he seems to be trying to guide him and possibly make amends. He warns Kat about going too far with the Rose porno scene to the point of an implied threat to Kat about him being like family. As we don't quite know the history between Chuck and Victoria yet, we can't truly say what happened. Did Chuck sit in on one of Don's movie shoots and see Victoria? Was this before or after Ian and Edwin met? Maybe he saw her at a filming or in a movie and later met her as Ian's BF's mom/person Ian looked up to as a mother and helped her/convinced her to get away from doing porn. Until we know for sure what the past is between them we can only speculate.

TBF your overlooking the fact that this could be a catalyst for him helping/siding with Van Doren to take down the Club's leadership. We've already seen the in home meeting where VD warns him, maybe this could be the factor that pushes him to align with them to remove the current leadership. They have the resources and are already working on their plan. Remember it's not the club he would want revenge on it's the people responsible, taking Kat and Chuck(if he had a negative hand in Vic's past) out of the picture somehow (not killing but destroying their reputations/lives) would be a fitting revenge. You can add others along the way who are involved like Warren with Kat and maybe Grace with Chuck just to tie up other loose ends. This is all just speculation but if Edwin wants to get revenge on Kat and Chuck siding with VD would help him out immensely.

BTW the tuition deal was from Chuck not from the club. The deal is to work for the club and Chuck will pay his tuition. This has a multiple purposes: getting Ian back with a "good" influence, helping out the club(replacing the "missing" guy), letting the MC explore his wilder desires and getting "life experience". Not to mention banging all the hotties along the way. So knowing that in theory, if Kat pushed the MC too far and he left because of that, Chuck could still pay for his tuition if he chose to. Not saying he would just that he could.

 

[ffive]

Doesn't change the fact that the rage and violence mentioned early on are worthless character traits when the MC is going to chug another beer while Rosalind sucks him off and his mother get's abused by the likes of Grace and Chuck and Kathleen.

But MC is not aware of Grace's actions, Kat isn't exactly abusing his mother, and Chuck's actions are all speculations at this point. But it seems you have already decided that if MC learns about those things he won't do anything, and are effectively lambasting him for completely theoretical scenario you have set up in your head..?

 

[Perished]

It would raise hell to say this but this update was very underwhelming both lewd and storywise. Rosalind got some development other than that what happened exactly?

 

[satirious]

Chuck isn't really messing with the MC as much as he seems to be trying to guide him and possibly make amends. He warns Kat about going too far with the Rose porno scene to the point of an implied threat to Kat about him being like family. As we don't quite know the history between Chuck and Victoria yet, we can't truly say what happened. Did Chuck sit in on one of Don's movie shoots and see Victoria? Was this before or after Ian and Edwin met? Maybe he saw her at a filming or in a movie and later met her as Ian's BF's mom/person Ian looked up to as a mother and helped her/convinced her to get away from doing porn. Until we know for sure what the past is between them we can only speculate.

TBF your overlooking the fact that this could be a catalyst for him helping/siding with Van Doren to take down the Club's leadership. We've already seen the in home meeting where VD warns him, maybe this could be the factor that pushes him to align with them to remove the current leadership. They have the resources and are already working on their plan. Remember it's not the club he would want revenge on it's the people responsible, taking Kat and Chuck(if he had a negative hand in Vic's past) out of the picture somehow (not killing but destroying their reputations/lives) would be a fitting revenge. You can add others along the way who are involved like Warren with Kat and maybe Grace with Chuck just to tie up other loose ends. This is all just speculation but if Edwin wants to get revenge on Kat and Chuck siding with VD would help him out immensely.

I'm not sure how making amends is accomplished by dragging him into a criminal enterprise. One that will add a future doctor to the organizations indebted payroll. And it's true that we don't have any clue how extensive Chucks past overlaps with Victoria's. I just don't think it will matter at all much beyond cliffhanger bait.

The option of helping VanD is certainly an option of one sort. It's a possible future solution to a now problem though.

 

[UmbralKnight]

Hi!
Who could remind me, why does MC keep everything (what he get to know) to himself? Why did he, having learned that Coach sold Veronica the gym at Samson's suggestion, not say a word about it to Veronica?
Or, as always, is the hero obliged to constantly act stupid like an idiot just to make the story longer? Although, perhaps I just missed something in his thoughts, which, by the way, were of an illegible font and color?
Maybe MC did not collect enough facts to form a "corpus delicti"?
Who can tell me?
maybe MC wants all Carnations to himself as "house girls"?

Veronica isn't exactly friendly with the MC in most paths (understandably so) at best she tolerates you
even as of this current build the best you can hope for is becoming her "friend" (

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so the MC doesn't want to rock the boat and piss off veronica when he has no solid proof and by her own admission she is also responsible for her financial situation sure others might have pulled some strings but nothing that can be proved conclusively
besides among the 3 contestants she is the most likely to do something drastic if she learns the truth
but i do agree that the MC has a habit of keeping information to himself unless he cornered like him covering for ian only later admitting to mina that he ian was cheating on her

 

[TD1900]

It would raise hell to say this but this update was very underwhelming both lewd and storywise. Rosalind got some development other than that what happened exactly?

Learning Darius' girlfriend is still in proximity to the club
Hana falling into her role as an owner
Edwin + Kat potentially breaking bad
The stuff with Ian's Mom
Ian potentially learning about Vicky's porn past
Edwin potentially deleting his mommy issues
Positioning Mina down a NUMBER of roads

I get being disappointed in the amount of lewds, but to think this is an inconsequential update story wise is wild to me.

 

[MoBy28]

Chuck isn't really messing with the MC as much as he seems to be trying to guide him and possibly make amends. He warns Kat about going too far with the Rose porno scene to the point of an implied threat to Kat about him being like family. As we don't quite know the history between Chuck and Victoria yet, we can't truly say what happened. Did Chuck sit in on one of Don's movie shoots and see Victoria? Was this before or after Ian and Edwin met? Maybe he saw her at a filming or in a movie and later met her as Ian's BF's mom/person Ian looked up to as a mother and helped her/convinced her to get away from doing porn. Until we know for sure what the past is between them we can only speculate.

TBF your overlooking the fact that this could be a catalyst for him helping/siding with Van Doren to take down the Club's leadership. We've already seen the in home meeting where VD warns him, maybe this could be the factor that pushes him to align with them to remove the current leadership. They have the resources and are already working on their plan. Remember it's not the club he would want revenge on it's the people responsible, taking Kat and Chuck(if he had a negative hand in Vic's past) out of the picture somehow (not killing but destroying their reputations/lives) would be a fitting revenge. You can add others along the way who are involved like Warren with Kat and maybe Grace with Chuck just to tie up other loose ends. This is all just speculation but if Edwin wants to get revenge on Kat and Chuck siding with VD would help him out immensely.

I'm not sure how making amends is accomplished by dragging him into a criminal enterprise. One that will add a future doctor to the organizations indebted payroll. And it's true that we don't have any clue how extensive Chucks past overlaps with Victoria's. I just don't think it will matter at all much beyond cliffhanger bait.

The option of helping VanD is certainly an option of one sort. It's a possible future solution to a now problem though.

Even though it's a criminal enterprise there are connections that can be made for the future and current times even if he leaves the club.

Not sure what you mean by a now problem. Are you saying the MC can only take his revenge right now at this very moment instead of planning out something(that's future)? Van D's plan is already in motion and is going to happen with or without the MC's help, his help would probably make it easier, increase the success chance and possibly speed up the timeframe. So I'm not really understanding how you dismiss it as being only a future option, everything is the future unless it's happening right now. If he decided to blow the building up tomorrow it's still the future not now. I think you meant current in which case Van D's plan is current as well and in fact is already in motion. As of now that seems to be the most logical path to getting revenge on the Club's leadership.

 

[ffive]

Edwin + Kat potentially breaking bad

Also breaking Kat's rectal walls, from what i hear.

 

[MoBy28]

Also breaking Kat's rectal walls, from what i hear.

Wonder if she'll need one of those donut cushions to sit on for a while?

 

[ffive]

Wonder if she'll need one of those donut cushions to sit on for a while?

Maybe she'll have Edwin take responsibility and serve her as live furniture. We already have precedent of Sophia acting as dinner serving plate.

 

[satirious]

Even though it's a criminal enterprise there are connections that can be made for the future and current times even if he leaves the club.

Not sure what you mean by a now problem. Are you saying the MC can only take his revenge right now at this very moment instead of planning out something(that's future)? Van D's plan is already in motion and is going to happen with or without the MC's help, his help would probably make it easier, increase the success chance and possibly speed up the timeframe. So I'm not really understanding how you dismiss it as being only a future option, everything is the future unless it's happening right now. If he decided to blow the building up tomorrow it's still the future not now. I think you meant current in which case Van D's plan is current as well and in fact is already in motion. As of now that seems to be the most logical path to getting revenge on the Club's leadership.

Let me put it a different way then.
Let's start with Chuck as he's the most "in the know" where Edwin is concerned.

Chuck knows what the MC's past is like because of Ian and his own personal interaction with him. If TD had omitted the rage, impulse control issues and violence, then putting the MC in an environment with the likes of Kathleen, Warren and August would be low risk. Your typical nerd wall flower that can be guided and groomed. If anything with regards to Chuck/Victoria comes out later, he's in a pretty good situation to smooth that over and, as you said, make amends. That isn't the case though.

Chuck took Edwin, as written, and put him in a den of predators and handed him on a platter to Kathleen. It's difficult to believe he doesn't understand what that could lead to. He set up a smart, educated and potentially vengeful person in a place that can much more easily unravel his previous facade of caring mentor.

Kathleen is most likely in the know about Edwin's past as well. Yet, she risks making him an enemy multiple times. Scratch Edwin's past and it makes sense that Kathleen wants to groom another pay date buddy. At worst, she gets one more person to torment. At best, she gets her new sidekick to validate her world view. All fine well and good as long as Edwin isn't a person that, not long ago, showed a willingness to get physical with no consideration of the consequences.

As for the now versus future problem. It became a now issue and not a tomorrow issue the second Kathleen dialed Victoria's number that first time. That is, if Edwin actually gives two shits about his mother. So, VanD's plan to one day take down the club is fine if you don't care that Chuck, Kathleen, August, Warren, Jacob etc. will target Victoria with violence if they get a whiff that Edwin plans to help VanD do what he is doing.

 

[Ottoeight]

I remembered the incident when Katlin called MC's mother. That is, this is a hint that Kat can easily get to Victoria if MC starts doing crazy things. In other words, MC is tied hand and foot. I hope after this "festival of unbridled fun" with the participation of the Carnations, he will be free in his actions. However, I am not so sure about Rosalind - she can become a "house girl" for some time.

My take on the Carnations is that they are totally at the Club owners' mercy, and the only people who can help them are Edwin, Hana and Ian. And Edwin, Hana and Ian have almost no leverage.

Anyway, as the Authors said, the story ends on week 4th, saturday night (the night of the final exhibition). After that, we'll have an epilogue.

So, sorry but... the story is a recount of the exhibition days. What happens next is... well, another story.