VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sunaboz]

(...) To be fair, only Isaak and Samson were present to see Veronica go to town on Kathleen. (...)

True, although I doubt someone like Samson (who like Jim has hots for Kat and likes to comment how sexy she is) would keep his mouth shut.

BTW, besides that hierarchy quote Samson also said (about Dalia):

"Nah, she hangs around the more well-to-do members. Never seen the Empress Whore slum it with a pleb like myself."

(...) Harper tells the MC most patrons don't respect her (...)

Half is not most and Harper is just a whore so anything she says must be taken with a grain of salt because:

a) She's not privy to most conversations / businesses Kat has.

b) Most of the disrespectful things they say about Kat they don't say to her face and they say it while they have their dicks in Harper's mouth bragging how much better they are.

She thinks the old, dead fucks of the club would take her less seriously. Truth be told, half of them don't see her as an equal to begin with..."

And to be honest dick measurement is common among the patrons and they are not equal to begin with so what Harper said seems like a platitude to me. Samson and Isaak know they're not equal while people like Abel and Chuck think they're the top dog.

Sure, people like Otto might not think highly of her (then again Otto doesn't respect Chuck either), some might joke about her (Samson or Jim for example) but in the end they all shut up when she speaks during exhibition (Chuck being the exception). There is a reason why Abel cooperates with her or why Warren is most loyal to her (AFAWK) or why she's one of the co-owners of the club for as long as she is.

I guess that Edwin's comments during their BDSM sex has made almost everyone believe his words but the fact that Kathleen didn't seem fazed by them (even after she returned to her senses) suggests that they're farther from the truth than most might think.

tl;dr
IMO Kathleen is underestimated by most people here. Sure, she doesn't have Chuck's or Abel's accomplishments (and who does?) but she's a top-tier manager with maxed persuasion and manipulation techniques. Also:

"Just a middle-aged woman, over the hill... the wife of an elected official, playing with money your father made... running a charity made by your sister."

Eh... Probably most patrons there are as high as they are thanks to their parent's wealth (Chuck being one of the rare exceptions) and making a charity is nothing to be too proud of if you ask me.

 

[Ottoeight]

IMO Kathleen is underestimated by most people here. Sure, she doesn't have Chuck's or Abel's accomplishments (and who does?) but she's a top-tier manager with maxed persuasion and manipulation techniques. Also:

I do not underestimate her: the Exhibition is her toy.

She's the only one who would crush the Carnations just because she would enjoy it. August only cares for the "business", and Chuck is more interested in his own "games", and the Exhibition is Kathleen's game.

 

[Bueno]

The story is becoming a bit cluttered. I wish the focus would be back on the carnations progress with the club.

 

[ename144]

True, although I doubt someone like Samson (who like Jim has hots for Kat and likes to comment how sexy she is) would keep his mouth shut.

I've no doubt Samson would talk, but most of the patrons didn't see it themselves. I think there will always be a certain level of urban legend about the incident; Kathleen would have problems if something like that happening routinely.

Half is not most and Harper is just a whore so anything she says must be taken with a grain of salt because:

a) She's not privy to most conversations / businesses Kat has.

b) Most of the disrespectful things they say about Kat they don't say to her face and they say it while they have their dicks in Harper's mouth bragging how much better they are. And to be honest dick measurement is common among the patrons and they are not equal to begin with so what Harper said seems like a platitude to me. Samson and Isaak know they're not equal while people like Abel and Chuck think they're the top dog.

Harper may be a whore, but that's no reason to discount her opinion. As Rosalind notes, people will often feel free to talk around whores, and Dalia seems to think Harper is both a smart and professional whore. If Harp thinks half the patrons don't see Kat as an equal, I weigh that insight heavily. You are right, however, that Harper says "half" rather than "most."

Sure, people like Otto might not think highly of her (then again Otto doesn't respect Chuck either), some might joke about her (Samson or Jim for example) but in the end they all shut up when she speaks during exhibition (Chuck being the exception). There is a reason why Abel cooperates with her or why Warren is most loyal to her (AFAWK) or why she's one of the co-owners of the club for as long as she is.

I guess that Edwin's comments during their BDSM sex has made almost everyone believe his words but the fact that Kathleen didn't seem fazed by them (even after she returned to her senses) suggests that they're farther from the truth than most might think.

tl;dr
IMO Kathleen is underestimated by most people here. Sure, she doesn't have Chuck's or Abel's accomplishments (and who does?) but she's a top-tier manager with maxed persuasion and manipulation techniques. Also:

"Just a middle-aged woman, over the hill... the wife of an elected official, playing with money your father made... running a charity made by your sister."

Eh... Probably most patrons there are as high as they are thanks to their parent's wealth (Chuck being one of the rare exceptions) and making a charity is nothing to be too proud of if you ask me.

I put no weight on the MC's tirade during his recent scene with Kathleen. I base my opinion on what we've seen in game and heard from sources I judge reliable. It's true that people like Samson and Jim obey Kathleen, but is that a sign they ultimately respect her, or a sign they respect Chuck (or August) and know he would take umbrage at directly defying Kat? I say it's more the latter. That doesn't mean they see Kathleen no differently than one of the house girls (there are degrees to this), just that she wouldn't be able to operate the Club - as it currently is - without the support of her partners.

Abel's cooperation is different since he clearly has his own agenda that Kat is helping with, but we don't yet know if that's a sign of Abel respecting her or simply a case of her being useful to him.

Warren DOES seem quite loyal to her, but I think that's because they're very closely aligned in their outlook. She likes the way he indulges his id and doesn't mind if he's rough on the girls, while he appreciates the way she makes things simple and fun for him. I'd say he respects her in his own way, but it's from a different viewpoint than the patrons would be looking at Kat.

 

[Step dad]

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[Turret]

Abel's cooperation is different since he clearly has his own agenda that Kat is helping with, but we don't yet know if that's a sign of Abel respecting her or simply a case of her being useful to him.

While it is not completely clear at he moment, I think Abel and Sophia see Kath as 98% being useful and 2% grudging respect. We see during several scenes, esp. the home invasion, that Abel and Sophia dislike all 3 leaders of the PC club. Chuck the most, but Kath also:"She has Chuck´s nasty disposition, but none of his achievements(...) she is comparatively harmless".
Still despite the clear loathing of Kath and the other leaders, Abel gives Kath a chiffered warning two times, if she really knows what she wants to do rather early in the game.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

This update was wow. I mean we know everyone is fucked in the game someway or the other.

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I haven´t played the recent update (I´m almost done with the previous one) but I read your spoiler about Victoria and I have to ask: what is revealed about her past is even more shocking than her doing porn? Because the MC already knows she was a porn actress, so there´s something even worse about it?

 

[Ottoeight]

I haven´t played the recent update (I´m almost done with the previous one) but I read your spoiler about Victoria and I have to ask: what is revealed about her past is even more shocking than her doing porn? Because the MC already knows she was a porn actress, so there´s something even worse about it?

Bro, why are you asking for more spoilers?

 

[FalconLover420]

I haven´t played the recent update (I´m almost done with the previous one) but I read your spoiler about Victoria and I have to ask: what is revealed about her past is even more shocking than her doing porn? Because the MC already knows she was a porn actress, so there´s something even worse about it?

Play the game especially the update and all should be revealed

 

[crastock]

How do I even reject mina? The game bugs and locks me out of all progression, like is there even a way to get the scene where you change your mind with her?

 

[ffive]

How do I even reject mina? The game bugs and locks me out of all progression, like is there even a way to get the scene where you change your mind with her?

Did you try it in the latest (public) version of the game? It received some bug fixes, although don't know if it included this one specifically.

 

[Hungnoxu]

Can anyone explain me what was Mina thinking in the Hana's show part? Like, she made a pretty weird face when I tried to kiss her or talked about date. I love both Mina and Hana but the game wont let me get both without any consequences so I'm gonna go with Mina till the end.

 

[Maccabbee]

Can anyone explain me what was Mina thinking in the Hana's show part? Like, she made a pretty weird face when I tried to kiss her or talked about date. I love both Mina and Hana but the game wont let me get both without any consequences so I'm gonna go with Mina till the end.

That's all dependent on your choices previously. Any committed relationship with Hana or Mina locks out the threesome, but not sure specifically what you're asking about.

 

[Hungnoxu]

That's all dependent on your choices previously. Any committed relationship with Hana or Mina locks out the threesome, but not sure specifically what you're asking about.

I'm currently going Fck buddy route with Hana and Lover route with Mina. In the new update, we gonna have a meeting at Hana's show and while talking with Mina, both Mina and MC made weird thoughts and face tbh. MC rethinking about being jealous. Mina made pretty weird face when I tried to kiss her upstairs and reject. Even when talking about having a date, she also acted really weird. Idk if being in a relationship with both Hana and Mina gonna give any consequences or not, but if yes, then I'm gonna go with Mina from now

 

[crastock]

Did you try it in the latest (public) version of the game? It received some bug fixes, although don't know if it included this one specifically.

Yes, and it's still bugging for me

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As you can see now it says 'Friend' is not defined

 

[Hungover00]

I'm currently going Fck buddy route with Hana and Lover route with Mina. In the new update, we gonna have a meeting at Hana's show and while talking with Mina, both Mina and MC made weird thoughts and face tbh. MC rethinking about being jealous. Mina made pretty weird face when I tried to kiss her upstairs and reject. Even when talking about having a date, she also acted really weird. Idk if being in a relationship with both Hana and Mina gonna give any consequences or not, but if yes, then I'm gonna go with Mina from now

If it was like my playthrough (also fuck buddy and casual lover) Mina didn't want to be a dirty secret, so you take her back down to the crowd and kiss her there. Not exactly rocket surgery.

 

[ymy42]

It seems pretty familiar to date Mina and continue to fuck women in the club or outside...

Ian yes...
Are we any different from him by acting like this?

 

[Hungnoxu]

It seems pretty familiar to date Mina and continue to fuck women in the club or outside...

Ian yes...
Are we any different from him by acting like this?

welp, I tried to reject outside club segs as much as possible knowing that... Still had to do the club activities for money tho

 

[Turret]

It seems pretty familiar to date Mina and continue to fuck women in the club or outside...

Ian yes...
Are we any different from him by acting like this?

Not a big problem, I normally keep Mina a close friend, nothing more. Have just one save for the threesome path, most are for other playthrough variants.

 

[Ottoeight]

Well, guys, I did it again.

I've just updated my mini-guides:

- Pale Carnations not-so-side characters: a guide to house girls and patrons

- Pale Carnations story timeline, scene by scene

This latest ch4, part5 update covers week 3, thursday and friday (18th-19th june): there's a lot going on and we have many scenes with quite a few variations (more than in the previous update!).

(links in the OP as well)