VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[TD1900]

If it weren't for Hana and Mina, would this game have produced a healthy, normal relationship?

All three contestants are very beautiful and mature women, but is it possible to have a long-term relationship with them?

One is married to a rich man, the other is a widow and a mother who is very devoted to her child, the other is in love with the gym...

Don't attack me, of course, I don't know where the game will take us...

Only Hana and Mina seem more logical than all the other women in the game... For a healthy relationship...

Eh. There's a lot of things that will sink a relationship, some more logical than others.

I know people who, on paper (similar ages, education, general affability) made a great couple and didn't last. I've experienced that myself. Then I know a dude whose been shacking up with a woman and her husband for a decade and, while I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, they inexplicably seem to be carrying on just fine.

I suppose it just depends on how narrow your definition is of a "healthy" relationship. Bottom line, if it's about longevity and happiness, then I would play devil's advocate and say that the only ingredients needed are respecting personal boundaries, supporting your partner(s), and a forthright desire to work to be together. Obviously it's more complicated than that because humans be humans and we don't even understand ourselves sometimes, let alone other people. Still... questions of monogamy, ambitions, desired trajectories, past experience, kids, differences in age between adult partners, tolerance for chewing loudly... those are details. Details that make or break a relationship, but aren't the same for everyone.

I want to believe, with enough grace, you can step over baggage. Or you might trip over it and land on your big stupid face. Every relationship is a crap shoot.

 

[ffive]

I do think Rosie's debt is too small for her to be as desperate as portrayed.

It's not the debt amount per se, it's that it's held by a loan shark.

I know they gave her a line about it might as well be a million, but it's only 20 something grand. Since she is prepared to do anything, she could make that in a fairly short time as a high end escort on weekends with no need to submit to the degradatio of the carnation showcase.

Oh yeah, lol, how simple. And how exactly do you imagine a frumpy single mom to become "high end escort" overnight with no connections, experience, resources and protection from people who ensure that actual high end escorts, or even regular prositutes, can work on "their" turf without a competition?

She'd have trouble working even a basic corner. Which is, incidentally, what she's very much trying to avoid with the Carnation deal. I mean, compared to prostitution in the open (no matter if high end or common) this is at least supposed to be a secret. And relatively quicker.

 

[bZokko1]

soooo...I would like to get everyone's reasoning on which Carnation that they would like to see win? My list is as follows...although Felicia is absolutely positively amazing, beautiful and magnificently sexy I'm not picking her to win because although she might have her reasons they are not good enough to make me feel sorry for her when she has everything...Veronica...although I feel very sorry for her losing her gym it just doesn't do it for me...it could be also because she's not feminine enough for me even though she is beautiful ang built well...Rosa is the woman I want to win the contest...her daughter is all that she has, her husband was a total asshole for leaving her with that debt, she's so gentle and caring( how she waits on the MC while staying at his house) and her body is perfect to me...in my lowly opinion Rosa is there because she has no other choice. I don't know what the developers have in mund going forward but although I adore Mina and Hana I would love the opportunity to be able to choose Rosa at the end. I would love to hear everyone elses opinions, choices and reasonings . Thanks

Rosa I feel has some options for social securities, even in 3world shithole like usa. Because she has a kid and home, she has more value to society and thus more social structures that is more inclined to help her out. Ofc. she is very deserving of winning... Time will tell if Edwin getting the guy wacked might even have solved the worst of her issues, or if it's the start of new ones. Perhaps me not doing her romance ever, has me missing some parts of the puzzle, but learned a lot just by being her friend.

HOWEVER, Veronica has fuck all, but debt.
Can't really sell the gym, who will buy a debt ridden gym? At best it would be a scam and run, otherwise she would not make a profit or go even from what we know.
She is in so deep shit, she knows it's copium for an attempt to keep gym afloat for better days. No kid, no house/home, a faded sports glory, friends network who probably know that she burned the relationship for a gym (she might feel she burned the bridge, we don't know how badly) and quickly running out of hope for a dream, which is not that big compared to most. She is dangerously close to being a bum on the street with debts, less safety nets for her, less of a society feeling sorry for her. No wonder she feels like she is drowning, so yeah I'm leaning towards her.

Felicia I like on personal level, but she falls short because she is just gambling on this working out and compensates with gusto. In the end, she might have overplayed her hand.

 

[Hungover00]

HOWEVER, Veronica has fuck all, but debt.
[...]
She is dangerously close to being a bum on the street with debts, less safety nets for her, less of a society feeling sorry for her. No wonder she feels like she is drowning, so yeah I'm leaning towards her.

Veronica can declare bankruptcy and go work as a personal trainer at another gym. It's a major step down from owning your own place, but she's not about to be living on the streets.

 

[Takkatakka]

Veronica can declare bankruptcy and go work as a personal trainer at another gym. It's a major step down from owning your own place, but she's not about to be living on the streets.

I mean...technically she might, since she is living in the gym and losing that while at the same time finding an apartment while just having gone bankrupt...

 

[Ottoeight]

Rosa I feel has some options for social securities, even in 3world shithole like usa. Because she has a kid and home, she has more value to society and thus more social structures that is more inclined to help her out. Ofc. she is very deserving of winning... Time will tell if Edwin getting the guy wacked might even have solved the worst of her issues, or if it's the start of new ones. Perhaps me not doing her romance ever, has me missing some parts of the puzzle, but learned a lot just by being her friend.

Nah. You aren't missing any puzzle piece.

I think her circumstances are the worst.

Veronica can declare bankruptcy and go work as a personal trainer at another gym. It's a major step down from owning your own place, but she's not about to be living on the streets.

This.

I mean...technically she might, since she is living in the gym and losing that while at the same time finding an apartment while just having gone bankrupt...

Well, she only needs to go and tell her bartender friend: "I need a couch to crash until I find some place". They're almost family.
But, as we noticed, her pride is her weak spot.

 

[Turret]

HOWEVER, Veronica has fuck all, but debt.
Can't really sell the gym, who will buy a debt ridden gym? At best it would be a scam and run, otherwise she would not make a profit or go even from what we know.
She is in so deep shit, she knows it's copium for an attempt to keep gym afloat for better days. No kid, no house/home, a faded sports glory, friends network who probably know that she burned the relationship for a gym (she might feel she burned the bridge, we don't know how badly) and quickly running out of hope for a dream, which is not that big compared to most. She is dangerously close to being a bum on the street with debts, less safety nets for her, less of a society feeling sorry for her. No wonder she feels like she is drowning, so yeah I'm leaning towards her.

Pardon me, but that is not really correct. That Veronika is a Carnation at the Club is one thing why I rank her last among the Carnations. Her real problem is not the debts, but a stubborness a mule would get green with envy!
It has been stated during the game several times that yes, her current gym is pulling her under, the situation there bad with a capital B. But it was also stated, among them Samson (the person responsible for most of her woes) himself, that Veronika could start fresh even now, with a new gym and live her dreams! Samson getting her into the Carnations game hinged from the start on her extreme stubborness. He even said so. Samson was surprised his manipulations worked so well since she could get away, but as said, he counted on her stubborness.

 

[Maccabbee]

She protects herself, and her husband (probably). No one else should expect her protection. Carnations are the mice for her cat play and for added benefits, she shows the game to rich pervert men.

Did you not play this game? She took over her sister's charity for endangered women, and uses that as a source for candidates for this shitshow.

 

[bZokko1]

Pardon me, but that is not really correct. That Veronika is a Carnation at the Club is one thing why I rank her last among the Carnations. Her real problem is not the debts, but a stubborness a mule would get green with envy!
It has been stated during the game several times that yes, her current gym is pulling her under, the situation there bad with a capital B. But it was also stated, among them Samson (the person responsible for most of her woes) himself, that Veronika could start fresh even now, with a new gym and live her dreams! Samson getting her into the Carnations game hinged from the start on her extreme stubborness. He even said so. Samson was surprised his manipulations worked so well since she could get away, but as said, he counted on her stubborness.

Stubbornness is true for all 3, all 3 could have done something else.

I understand why Rosa don't want to rock the boat for her kid, by going to the cops about it. She justifies her actions, that this is the best for the kid. Get money, no cops involved.
Going as a carnation, is an very unreliable option as far as solutions goes (go big slut competition). Her loan-shark says as much: "shit if you are going to sell yourself out, we could have just worked something out between us".

Veronika is a born competition person, so I kinda get her view on it, tough it out for short time and win.
Naive as fuck as it may be.
Also Samson says he was lucky and like to oversell himself a little bit despite orchestrating of her demise.
She got fucked over by bad contracts that rolled over and was stuck from previous owner on her own. Extra bad luck rolled around with the air con going to shit and she needed to pay an arm and leg to get it fixed since it can't be open without it.
Or maybe sabotaged, we will see.

 

[Nulldev]

Did you not play this game? She took over her sister's charity for endangered women, and uses that as a source for candidates for this shitshow.

Hm, I don't remember this part, maybe should do a new full run.
It's minor detail anyway

 

[superkakaroto]

no gallery unlocker for this version? both mods dont unlock it

 

[balboa2151]

damn...I just finished the latest version...it really pulled on my heart strings...I feel so bad for Veronica...she's such a beautiful caring soul...I can't really say how I feel about Ian's mother because I don't know if F95 would accept my vocabulary describing her...but I was once told by someone when I was younger..." what you do now will catch up to you when you're older "...anyway does anyone know how many more updates there will be until the game is complete? thanks

 

[dolfe67]

anyway does anyone know how many more updates there will be until the game is complete?

Many many more. At least another few years in the oven

 

[CrazyRabbit]

What an update ! Shed a tear for poor Vicky and of course I deleted the folder, I do hope we get to cuddle the poor woman and cuddle Grace to her grave too, in the next update.

Aside from this drama, the evening with Rose was very well done, it might make me hesitate with one more.... The LIs are so well written and amazing, I don't know which way to go honestly (I took litterally 20 min to decide whom to go in the concert...)

About Vicky, Ian just proved (if he is self-reflecting) that he is a true bro, even flawed as he is.

The concert in itself was just a load of fun, Gremlin Grace, try-the-pot Ronnie and innocent-Mina in a box, what an event

The sex scenes are still among the hottest I've ever seen, I am impressed once more

To sum up : this was damn good, this game deserves it's top spot, big kudos to TD1900 : what a masterpiece of a game, mate.

Edit : And I almost forgot to thank GIL3D too.... What a moron I am. Big thanks and kudos to you too, of course !

 

[Thor875]

Poor Vicky? Didn't you catch Donovan's interview?
The first movies that increased to gangbang with 2 men, in the last one with 3 men
and in which she was fucked to physical exhaustion, they did not scare her off, but made her so hot that she decides to voluntarily work as a poro actress.
And the end has not yet been reached, or why does Edwin suppress the last 40 minutes of the interview from his memory. He knows that she has fun with it, it
must be even worse than a gangbang.

 

[Thor875]

sorry porno actress

 

[Machete]

He knows that she has fun with it, it must be even worse than a gangbang.

That Donovan guy is depicted as being an overall decent guy, running the porn industry in a honest way. And a skilled expert lover. Why wouldn't she have enjoyed her time with him? And why would that be a bad thing? She was still a young woman with her sex drive. Her husband was dead, not dumped or cheated. I can't begin to understand what it can mean for a dude to find out the his mother had to do porn to make ends meet, but at least seeing her not been abused like a piece of meat should be somewhat reassuring.

I think MC's main struggle is the guilt arond the oedipical fascination he has for his mother's videos.

 

[Thor875]

But I wonder what role Chuck plays in the gangster movies.
If the films were made after our firefight, it may be that he brought Vicky together with August, because it is hard for me to believe that a normal housewife will find contact with gangsters. In addition, someone with a lot of influence must be there, or how can you explain your exit after 4 films. GANGSTERS with guns have a beautiful woman in their clutches, who also enjoys being fucked properly. Does she say after 4 films: So people I'll stop, see you someday?
AND THEY LET HER GO SO EASILY? Never ever

 

[Thor875]

OK, he may be a decent guy and yet he lends some of his girls to the PC.

 

[tslojr]

Why do I have this nagging feeling that Victoria is going to end up in an exhibition?