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I know, I know... the game tricked you. You were deceived:

you thought that GF stood for GILF and you immediately jumped in.

I feel for you :cry:
To be fair, I've just got to this point in the game, and it sounded like I was agreeing not to fuck around with random girls but I would promise to myself to work on creating a throuple which included Mina (might have been wishful thinking on my part!).

So, if we want to keep Mina open as a main girl then we will definitely have to be just fuckbuddies with Hana? Hana is pretty awesome but I don't want to let Mina go.
 

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Chuck: While not the main antagonist for a good or neutral MC, that is Kath without doubt, I think he is the most dangerous one. Behind the facade of a jovial, old Perv lurks a darkness that might only be rivaled by Kath and one or two clubmembers. There are too many hints from very different sources to dismiss this.
Dalia, the head housegirl and probably knowing the most about the club, is very afraid of him


Sophia, our favourite amoral, ends justify the means doctor, is disgusted by Chuck and knows some of his hidden skeletons

are just 2 of the more prominent ones.
Chuck has a rivalry with Abel. He knoes quite a bit about him and Sophia. For example that they have access to black ops labs, so the stuff they do at the Club is unnecessary. But I think he underestimates the two. Chuck seems to believe that Abel is similar to himself, that he discovered "having fun" in his old days.
That might be partly true, but the two doctors have goals going well beyond this.

More tomorrow or saturday
Responding specifically to the Chuck bit!
And more specifically to that conversation with Sophia. As I've not seen it discussed enough.
Chuck tells Sophia:
A friend of mine at Langley had a saying I took a real shining to.
"Life is a joke, so be the punchline."
He also describes said person as the unfunniest person he's ever met besides Sophia.

This is all in the conversation where it's heavily implied that van Doren is old money with no respect for new money types who are at the club.

But the thing I want to call out is Langley. A statement that didn't surprise Sophia so people with info know.
It's highly likely that Chuck is former CIA of some shape or form.
 

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I can't remember exactly where, but isn't it heavily implied that Chuck used to develop and/or sell weapons? It's not really surprising that he'd have CIA contacts with how involved he likely was with shady government shit, but I don't think he was likely directly working for them.

I also agree with Turret that he is probably the scariest of the three club owners, especially considering his interactions with Sophia. Some of his facial expressions, the ugly anticipation he gets from thinking he'll one day beat her at chess and get to have his way, the way many of the girls seem to be afraid of him..... he is a sick fuck, no doubt about it. And TD did well to use one of the oldest tricks in the book, letting implication and imagination supply the truly scary stuff rather than spelling it out for us. But then, TD does basically everything well in writing this game, soooo...
 
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This is all in the conversation where it's heavily implied that van Doren is old money with no respect for new money types who are at the club.
But the thing I want to call out is Langley. A statement that didn't surprise Sophia so people with info know.
It's highly likely that Chuck is former CIA of some shape or form.
While I agree that Abel is highly probable old money with few respect for new money types, that is not all to it. I will mention it too when I write about Abel, he loaths the Club leaders and most of it´s members. Playing again from the start reenforces that Abel and Sophia stick out like sore thumbs there. I think most members do not see it since they concentrate on their pleasure and Abel sometimes showboating, like him offering Sophia to Chuck. An offer he knew Chuck would decline, since Chuck is near pathological in his need to win first.
I am curious what the backstory of Abel and Chuck is. They know each other quite well, but they are rivals and dislike the other deeply.

As for Chuck and the CIA, I think he worked often together with them, but I think it less likely he was an agent. But he has connections.
 

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To be fair, I've just got to this point in the game, and it sounded like I was agreeing not to fuck around with random girls but I would promise to myself to work on creating a throuple which included Mina (might have been wishful thinking on my part!).
What did you think was happening when you had to have that choice? did you really think they were just joking? just chatting because they had to kill some time before going to work?

Seriously, dude.


So, if we want to keep Mina open as a main girl then we will definitely have to be just fuckbuddies with Hana? Hana is pretty awesome but I don't want to let Mina go.
So, what do you think the "fuckbuddies" choice is for? do you think it's a figure of speech only?
 
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Due to reasons, I have just finished the Chp 4 Pt 5 update, which, story-wise is the best thus far imho, and I think it is only going to be more.... engaging, so to speak.

After this update, I have a feeling that the previous ones are mainly "introductory", as in world-building. We, players, got to know Edwin, the MC, and everyone (almost) that were important to him / played an important role during that summer period, and to an extend, revealing the "dark side" of those people (not necessary evil thing like Chuck, but also a well hidden/masqueraded corner like that soft side of Felicia despite of her gluttonous nature(yes, you read it right, gluttonous, remember the week 2 exhibition scene if Edwin forgo his urge and let Fel drank to her fill?). The main focus were to "reveal" stuffs to us. Laying the floor, Piling up the pillars, bricking up the walls, letting those bits and tits (huge one, mind you) complement themselves and forming a solid, compelling story structure to let things happen.

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I have a feeling that the devs were somewhat satisfied with the background building, which, is amazingly solid. It is the time to move to the second phase... to knock down a wall or two to let us the players feel the shake of the whole building. I pretty much expect a roller coaster ride from now on lol.

Speaking of "revealing"
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Sorry for the wall of unorganized, feverish raving, but that is what a boy, who got his favourite toy as his present during new years, looks like. TD and GID are the only one to blame.

Joke aside, a hundred thanks for the amazing work. Really, really looking forward to the next update.
 

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Due to reasons, I have just finished the Chp 4 Pt 5 update, which, story-wise is the best thus far imho, and I think it is only going to be more.... engaging, so to speak.

After this update, I have a feeling that the previous ones are mainly "introductory", as in world-building. We, players, got to know Edwin, the MC, and everyone (almost) that were important to him / played an important role during that summer period, and to an extend, revealing the "dark side" of those people (not necessary evil thing like Chuck, but also a well hidden/masqueraded corner like that soft side of Felicia despite of her gluttonous nature(yes, you read it right, gluttonous, remember the week 2 exhibition scene if Edwin forgo his urge and let Fel drank to her fill?). The main focus were to "reveal" stuffs to us. Laying the floor, Piling up the pillars, bricking up the walls, letting those bits and tits (huge one, mind you) complement themselves and forming a solid, compelling story structure to let things happen.

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I have a feeling that the devs were somewhat satisfied with the background building, which, is amazingly solid. It is the time to move to the second phase... to knock down a wall or two to let us the players feel the shake of the whole building. I pretty much expect a roller coaster ride from now on lol.

Speaking of "revealing"
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Sorry for the wall of unorganized, feverish raving, but that is what a boy, who got his favourite toy as his present during new years, looks like. TD and GID are the only one to blame.

Joke aside, a hundred thanks for the amazing work. Really, really looking forward to the next update.
Well, I strongly disagree.

Roller coaster started its ride when Abel visited Edwin and they found the bug.

Mina a blank sheet of paper? seriously? I think you should replay the early weeks and pay close attention to what Mina tells Edwin about her and her family.
 
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Due to reasons, I have just finished the Chp 4 Pt 5 update, which, story-wise is the best thus far imho, and I think it is only going to be more.... engaging, so to speak.
I agree that starting from the last third of this game the writing has reached the absolute highs that almost none other game on this site can boast.

The art exhibition part and the Felicia's story was a true masterpiece in terms of plot, dialogues and branching of different paths. I still keep my earlier doubts about the sanity and feasibility of the Felicia's plan to join the Club but apart from that it's by far the best story I've ever read in an AVN.

It would make a great reading even without all the lewd parts (if it would be possible to imagine this story without the lewds ;) ). And it only gets better with every update.
 
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To be fair, I've just got to this point in the game, and it sounded like I was agreeing not to fuck around with random girls but I would promise to myself to work on creating a throuple which included Mina (might have been wishful thinking on my part!).

So, if we want to keep Mina open as a main girl then we will definitely have to be just fuckbuddies with Hana? Hana is pretty awesome but I don't want to let Mina go.
Same buddy... I chose hana gf and not to cheat on her except mina... And this game just bazooka into my face with that... Sad
 

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Same buddy... I chose hana gf and not to cheat on her except mina... And this game just bazooka into my face with that... Sad
"Not cheating except with this one person" is still cheating. Especially when the person you chose to cheat with explicitly told you not to cheat on Hana with her, should Hana become your gf. The sheer surprise at the fact it'd produce obvious consequences is hilarious, ngl.
 

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"Not cheating except with this one person" is still cheating. Especially when the person you chose to cheat with explicitly told you not to cheat on Hana with her, should Hana become your gf. The sheer surprise at the fact it'd produce obvious consequences is hilarious, ngl.
People are accustomed to the typical Harem game where MC can choose the most moronic choices yet have no consequences what so ever. Hence why the writing feels real, If i conciously choose to do something stupid, i wanna see the ramifications of that choice.
 
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I agree that starting from the last third of this game the writing has reached the absolute highs that almost none other game on this site can boast.

The art exhibition part and the Felicia's story was a true masterpiece in terms of plot, dialogues and branching of different paths. I still keep my earlier doubts about the sanity and feasibility of the Felicia's plan to join the Club but apart from that it's by far the best story I've ever read in an AVN.

It would make a great reading even without all the lewd parts (if it would be possible to imagine this story without the lewds ;) ). And it only gets better with every update.
My opinion is with Felicia. She reflects on every stage of her life and changes her life according to the experiences she has had. After her husband's “betrayal” of her, she realizes that she can only achieve her goal with influence and/or her own money. Knowledge is power. She tells us that she has knowledge. Certainly not to blackmail members. As Chuck told us at the beginning, the club brings networking and connections.
From her perspective, she has a good chance of winning the sex battles, she doesn't know that Kat is dragging her real life into the club. And that's only with her, because Kat also thinks she has the best chance. If we can determine the winner, she will win with me.
 
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My opinion is with Felicia. She reflects on every stage of her life and changes her life according to the experiences she has had. After her husband's “betrayal” of her, she realizes that she can only achieve her goal with influence and/or her own money. Knowledge is power. She tells us that she has knowledge. Certainly not to blackmail members. As Chuck told us at the beginning, the club brings networking and connections.
From her perspective, she has a good chance of winning the sex battles, she doesn't know that Kat is dragging her real life into the club. And that's only with her, because Kat also thinks she has the best chance. If we can determine the winner, she will win with me.
I forget, what did her husband reportedly do?
 

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Well, I strongly disagree.

Roller coaster started its ride when Abel visited Edwin and they found the bug.

Mina a blank sheet of paper? seriously? I think you should replay the early weeks and pay close attention to what Mina tells Edwin about her and her family.
I think Ottoeight meant it as Mina is the most easy character to influence in whichever road you want.
Sure, she has her own desires and goals but she is the only one we get to see HOW our choices influences her actions besides Ian (if you get him to self-reflect). Depending on previous choices she will be willing to explore her sexuality with other girls even going as far as to start making out with Hana unprompted and suggesting a threesome this update or(as of now at least...) will just be content with limiting herself to exploring stuff with Edwin.

Personally, I don't know which path the developers will take Mina but I did find it curious how she is the character with the most different kind of outcomes this last hangout with everyone.

-She can look sad and express her feelings of jealousy to Edwin if he kisses Hana on stage, especially if you choose to to imply to her to not hang out with Pete when you kiss her while you are in the crowd

-Even if Edwin is not in a relationship with Hana she still will look sad unless Edwin delibaretly chooses to spent time with her instead of cheering for Hana and the band

-She can end up having sex with Veronica if Edwin tells her she is attracted to her

-As said before, if Edwin is in a fuckbuddies relationship with Hana, she can end up trying to seduce Hana in order so she can sleep with her/both of them.

-Finally if you choose to spent time with her whenever possible and end up choosing to go to the bar with her she will end up the night calling this event their "first date"


I forget, what did her husband reportedly do?
He deliberately choose not to prevent her old art-school being destroyed by buying despite Felicia making him very aware of how important said place was for her it if I remember correctly.
 

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My opinion is with Felicia. She reflects on every stage of her life and changes her life according to the experiences she has had. After her husband's “betrayal” of her, she realizes that she can only achieve her goal with influence and/or her own money. Knowledge is power. She tells us that she has knowledge. Certainly not to blackmail members. As Chuck told us at the beginning, the club brings networking and connections.
From her perspective, she has a good chance of winning the sex battles, she doesn't know that Kat is dragging her real life into the club. And that's only with her, because Kat also thinks she has the best chance. If we can determine the winner, she will win with me.
I don't want to start that discussion again. Coming to the end of the current update I can see that the Devs themselves are well aware how lame and fragile her plan looks. We'll see how the story unfolds. At the moment it is difficult for me to see any good in that.

It has nothing to do with Kat's jiggery-pokery, Elias would find out himself sooner or later (I would argue rather sooner than later). Moreover, my main question still stands: How can Felicia monetize all those suggested connections / influences? But I may be surprised as well as everybody if a feasible solution will be unfolded. Let's wait.

I am very pleased that this story which has started as a rather typical BDSM game has become an exciting journey to the depth of the human soul and subconsciousness. Also, normally I steer away from the Honey Select games but here the art is on the different level.
 
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Hi to all!

Weiter gehts! (Let us continue)

Kathleen: Oh Kath, a really nice antagonist for our MC. A functional psychopath and sadist, sophisticated (for someone scoring 10+ points on the "Hare list") and in a save position. Not someone to take lightly. Especially since we learn she has played her "games" for far longer than PC exists, using and abusing her charities and enterprises.
A welldone and rounded antagonist, since she also loves her husband as far as an empathyless sadist can love, but her biggest problem are not the MC or Ian. It is her own hungry antisocial tendencies. She has been successful with her schemes and shielded from consequences for so long that she becomes careless. Those knowing her well can recognise this, for example August does. He mentions to Otto that both Kath and Chuck´s "peculiarities" are getting stronger and hints at the possibility that their mental disorders are beginning to win.
I agree with this assessment, because Kath´s plan to take over the PC club is textbook antisocial, psychopathic behaviour. Even when everything runs smoothly in their favour, many psychopaths still want to inflict more hurt, gain more power and thrill.
Kath knows her planned revolt has only a chance to succeed with more support, so she gained help from Abel and Sophia. I find it poetic irony that Kath in her greed for power completely overlooks that Abel and Sophia´s plans for the PC club do not include her at all and that the two doctors will kick her out as well. To top it off, Abel himself warned, if convoluted and cryptic, Kath twice early in the game, if she was truly sure to do her revolt.
Inviting Elias into the club is another sign that Kath is starting to overplay her hand.

Abel: I am really interested what Abel van Doren´s story with the Club is, beside "helping" Kath. He loaths the PC leaders, most of it´s members and works towards said leadership´s downfall, esp. Chuck´s downfall. Testing Sophia´s sex drug is a joke, the 2 doctors have access to topnotch black ops labs with far less risks than testing it in the PC club. Able is a humanitarian, several examples are mentioned over the run of the game. An in-game example is when Abel wins a bet, he gives the money to Hana, who can donate it to a charity of her chosing. Something other members would never do.
Considering his special loathing of Chuck, as I wrote in earlier posts, I think Abel being in the club has either a deeply personal reason, maybe one of the women Chuck broke/killed was a relative or he might be a punchclock villain. Abel and his protege Sophia stick out terribly, being alone or in very small groupings most of the time. He does not really partake in the Club. That this does not arouse more suspicion is in my opinion the fact that most members concentrate on their fun and that Abel sometimes showboats, e.g. his offer of Sophia to Chuck. Which was not a real offer, Abel knew that Chuck has a deep-seated need to win something first before he can enjoy it.
Sophia was never in danger in that case. It also shows how well Abel and Sophia are informed on the people in the PC club. They know e.g. Hana´s situation with her mom, Chuck´s pathological need to win, Kath´s nasty disposition and how to use it for their own gain, a lot of the skeletons in the cellar, our hero´s situation and some things more.
It might be due to English being a second language for me so I read more into it than it means, but in one early scene it seemed to me that Abel knows our MC from a distance.
I theorise going to Abel and Sophia for help e.g. with Grace will bring him wholly on their side with the old Club later either dismantled and/or continuing on under new managment. It could be both since we know so few things about Abel´s motives.

More when I have time.:)
 
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Just now finished the new chapter, got a little delayed with the holidays and stuff (plus had to replay the main save from the beginning)


Let's start point by point.
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Overall, this is the most emotional update in my opinion. Kudos to the Devs.
I know that future update will be focused on the 3rd exhibition, but I hope that the conversation with Victoria will not be postponed to the next game week.
 
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I think Ottoeight meant it as Mina is the most easy character to influence in whichever road you want.
Sure, she has her own desires and goals but she is the only one we get to see HOW our choices influences her actions besides Ian (if you get him to self-reflect). Depending on previous choices she will be willing to explore her sexuality with other girls even going as far as to start making out with Hana unprompted and suggesting a threesome this update or(as of now at least...) will just be content with limiting herself to exploring stuff with Edwin.

Personally, I don't know which path the developers will take Mina but I did find it curious how she is the character with the most different kind of outcomes this last hangout with everyone.

-She can look sad and express her feelings of jealousy to Edwin if he kisses Hana on stage, especially if you choose to to imply to her to not hang out with Pete when you kiss her while you are in the crowd

-Even if Edwin is not in a relationship with Hana she still will look sad unless Edwin delibaretly chooses to spent time with her instead of cheering for Hana and the band

-She can end up having sex with Veronica if Edwin tells her she is attracted to her

-As said before, if Edwin is in a fuckbuddies relationship with Hana, she can end up trying to seduce Hana in order so she can sleep with her/both of them.

-Finally if you choose to spent time with her whenever possible and end up choosing to go to the bar with her she will end up the night calling this event their "first date"



He deliberately choose not to prevent her old art-school being destroyed by buying despite Felicia making him very aware of how important said place was for her it if I remember correctly.
Yes, he refuses to save her art school, even though he could easily do so. She begs and pleads with him and makes it clear to him that this is very, very important to her, but he only mocks her.
 
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Did he help her find a better studio through those same connections?
Just a note, but this would be completely unnecessary. Donovan's business is run in official capacity, it may be even listed in local yellow pages if the devs are cheeky enough. All Victoria would have to do is to look up the address and pay them a visit to ask about audition, same way any other random hopeful shows up at his door, without any need for criminal connections.
 
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