Well, Edwin and Mina seeing each other afterwards is a development that can also happen even if Edwin didn't go along with Mina's request. And i really don't see either of them going out of their way to tell Ian that "by the way, we started hooking up few days before Mina told you it's over, instead of few days after". Even if they did, by that point it's going to be old news and it's not like Ian did any soul-searching that such news could somehow undo. So... eh.
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That's still a low blow. Imagine learning that your best friend hooked up with your ex RIGHT AFTER you broke up. It would certainly leave a bad aftertaste in my mouth. I could still imagine Ian reacting somewhat positively since he's so attached to MC, but it could also be beginning of unnecessary drama.
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The question would be: Why does it "bother" him?
Is he actually kinda heartbroken without even realizing it? Is it more annoyance that she found out? In the end he didn't even really tried to hide it anymore, so he basically sabotaged that relationship himself in more ways than one, almost like he wanted her to find out.
Might be just my bias to get all the Mina scenes, but Ian really has no ground to stand on to blame anyone else. Hell, if he wouldn't be so self-absorbed, that he didn't even care to support Mina to get the role, she and Edwin would've never gotten close to begin with.
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oh he doesn't blame anyone else, that's obvious from his conversations. I think what bothers him is after some self-reflection he realizes what kind of person he is. Probably not enough to change himself for the better, but who knows.
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Because he has always been the one who leaves. Now he is the one who has been left.
Simple as that.
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Right now he doesn't...which would be a first step, I guess. But if he would find out what's going on between Edwin and Mina?
Yeah, might be as well...
I agree with this. It's pretty clear IMO that Ian realizes that he treated Mina terribly and feels kind of bad about it, and at some level he understands that their relationship was never going to last because he was treating her bad.
I think there's also a certain amount of self-hate and/or self-sabotage going on, whether or not Ian is aware of it. His dialog reads to me like he feels, somewhere deep inside, that Mina deserves better than him, so he lies and cheats and pushes her away. But he also recognizes how good she is, and somewhere inside him he's mourning not only their relationship, but the fact that he is the one who destroyed it because Mina was too good for him. Hence Edwin's mention of self-fulfilling prophecy.
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This, too.
The Ian storyline has two variants:
- your "best buddies" score is really high, therefore you can trigger the option and tell him that he needs to self-reflect: he will sleep with his maid, this way;
- you won't/can't tell him that he needs to self-reflect: he will sleep with the hairdresser, this way.
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So...if he self-reflects he hooks up with the person who is slightly closer to him? Is that the difference here?
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Bro, I guess we should ask TD1900.So...if he self-reflects he hooks up with the person who is slightly closer to him? Is that the difference here?
Edwin calls Ian in the morning because he didn't come at the Club. If he self-reflected, he's in bed with the maid. If he didn't, he's with the hairdresser.
That's the big difference. If I remember well, some dialogues (lines told by Ian) change as well.
Bro, all we know is what they wrote in the latest status update. They never gave percentage numbers.
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No, the differences go considerably beyond that. If he self-reflects, he talks to Alice about why she's sleeping with him and what he wants out of life. If he doesn't self-reflect, he teases Amber then gets a call from Uncle Chuck encouraging him to embrace his desires, whatever they may be. Similar concepts either way, but vastly different direction.So...if he self-reflects he hooks up with the person who is slightly closer to him? Is that the difference here?
If the breakup happened because that best friend was treating his girlfriend horribly to the point she eventually broke up with him, then he can stick all that unnecessary drama up his ass and get over himself. "Fuck his feelings" like the kids say, if he wasn't concerned about feelings of others then might as well get a taste of his own medicine for once. And if that taste turns out not very nice? Good.
Given his chosen course of action was neither to act like a decent person, nor to end the relationship cleanly if he thought he wasn't worthy of it, but instead to act out and repeatedly hurt his girlfriend to the point where it'd drive her to end things, Mina objectively does deserve better than him. Heck, probably anyone deserves better than him.
Mind you, i'd place large part of responsibility for this on Chuck's doorstep because he's the one who apparently taught Ian to prioritize his own needs and whims above all else, and probably had large share in shaping how Ian views women... but at the end of the day if i'm supposed to buy the idea of "oh but Ian is acshually such sensitive and good boy down inside" the game is half-heartedly trying to sell me, then i'm consequently going to saddle his firmly with ultimate responsibility for his own behavior, and what sort of a person he chooses to be.
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That's why Edwin - not being an idiot - hasn't told Ian yet. Maybe by the end of the story.
Yeah, Ian might be a total "fuckboy" on a potential redemption arc, depending on the choices you make. But let’s be real—getting with Mina is a messed-up thing to do, no matter how you look at it. Sure, it’s just a game, and I get the fun in exploring all the different options, but if this kind of situation played out in real life? That’s a hard no.
Going after your friend’s girlfriend while they’re still together—or even right after they break up—is just fucked up. It’s not even about whether your friend is a great person or a total jerk; it’s about respect. Doing that feels like a betrayal of your friendship, and it almost always creates a mess. Feelings get hurt, people lose trust, and you end up looking as an opportunistic douchebag
At the end of the day, it’s not just about what’s "allowed" or not—it’s about having some decency. If someone values their friendships, they don’t go there. Simple as that.
Going after your friend’s girlfriend while they’re still together—or even right after they break up—is just fucked up. It’s not even about whether your friend is a great person or a total jerk; it’s about respect. Doing that feels like a betrayal of your friendship, and it almost always creates a mess. Feelings get hurt, people lose trust, and you end up looking as an opportunistic douchebag
At the end of the day, it’s not just about what’s "allowed" or not—it’s about having some decency. If someone values their friendships, they don’t go there. Simple as that.
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I disagree with this whole thing that what our MC is doing with Mina is wrong. Maybe in real life this would be messed up and not cool, but in games ans in this game, i think its fine. I doubt Ian will have a problem once he finds out, he is still hooking up with multiple girls and he didn't have any remorse or sadness after the breakup with Mina. So I think Ian will be cool with it, and I think when Mina was getting treated poor and then started to catch atlctual feelings for our MC, I don't think what we are doing with Mina is a messed up thing at all.
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I guess some players haven't realised that if Edwin has had sex with Mina, she hasn't become his girlfriend yet. They're just banging, and Mina knows about Edwin and Felicia. They either are fuckbuddies or casual lovers - non exclusives: as she says, she wants to experiment, for now.
These things are directly related. If your friend is a total jerk, why do you act as if respecting him or continuing to be friends with him is the proper and "decent" course of action here?
Being friends is a choice, just like being a jerk is. You can very well choose to stop associating with someone who is a horrible human being, if they show themselves to be such. One could even make a point that it's acting like they still deserve respect and friendship and thus enabling them further that's the fucked up thing to do.
Ian will potentially readily have a threesome with his girlfriend's best friend and his "best buddy" while his girlfriend is asleep drunk right there in next room. Dude doesn't deserve any respect or any room to call anyone a douchebag.
(to be clear, neither does Edwin nor Felicia in this particular scenario)
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