VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sunaboz]

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My point was, that you are talking how Victoria should've stopped making porn flicks after she made these 4, because you believe she made enough money with those 4, and cite Edwin's words as the proof of it. (...)

No, that wasn't my point. My point was that Victoria did porn for extra money, it wasn't necessary for her to do it but she did it anyway. Selling her huge house alone and moving to a smaller apartment would allow her to live off the profit for quite some time (for one, as Victoria said this house is too big even for the two of them, for two, costs of living would go down).

You're also forgetting the fact that when Edwin said all these things he watched every movie his mother made (that he got his hands on). It's not like he suddenly bought the one that Donovonan made. So my point is when Edwin said that he got all the facts.

 

[myrojoe]

Anyone have just the update from ch4up4 to up5?

 

[ffive]

No, that wasn't my point. My point was that Victoria did porn for extra money, it wasn't necessary for her to do it but she did it anyway.

But all money is "just extra money" if you want to view it like that. Going with this logic Victoria never had to make any porn at all, and should've just sold the house etc. So then she and Edwin would get to live 10+ years in miserable conditions and Edwin would have to put up with being mocked for being poor instead of theoretically being mocked about his mother's actions.

You're also forgetting the fact that when Edwin said all these things he watched every movie his mother made (that he got his hands on). It's not like he suddenly bought the one that Donovonan made. So my point is when Edwin said that he got all the facts.

Uhh i'm not forgetting it? It is, in fact, part of my point -- Edwin's comments about their situation, financial and otherwise, are made long after Victoria has done all her porn movies. How they were able to live is the result of that, and if Victoria had made different call back then, Edwin wouldn't be able to talk that he's got relatively okay and undisturbed life, because his life would've been quite different and likely way worse.

 

[MagicMan753]

I think the club scene is a little weird imo, it feels like locking in a route without locking in a route. It has a couple setups for throuple paths, which is cool, but choosing between every Li at the same time felt weird, cause you get a little bonus scene with them, but it doesn't lock in a route really but feels like it essentially does, cause their is no reason to not hang out with your chosen Li in that save file.

I probably would of liked a little more chances to hangout or kiss the girls, maybe not all, but maybe get time with multiple, instead of essentially choose just one. Obviously their is one outlier, throuple, where you can get mutliple, just my thoughts.

Just feels like this was a lockin your route choice when it probably wasn't and won't be, felt weird. Didn't hate it, but didn't love it either.

 

[TD1900]

(also wow, the degradation sex scene is like 10 times longer than the alternative. We can see where the dev priorities lie

I don't know about line count, but I was actually afraid that the full deal option felt the more perfunctory of the 2. Maybe because of the time lapse, but mainly because I thought the imagery / set up was stronger. Rosalind on top in the moonlight, fat titties bouncing, letting her hair down is pretty strong. Personal favorite animation from the update.

 

[ffive]

I don't know about line count, but I was actually afraid that the full deal option felt the more perfunctory of the 2. Maybe because of the time lapse, but mainly because I thought the imagery / set up was stronger. Rosalind on top in the moonlight, fat titties bouncing, letting her hair down is pretty strong. Personal favorite animation from the update.

No worry, i was mostly being cheeky after scrolling through like 5 pages of the derogatory variant in the script. I think the romantic option may look like it's shorter in the editor because part of it is the intimacy buildup, but i agree it was really lovely all-around.

(though personally i liked the part after Rose cums the most; this sort of close contact/kissing all way to the finish ticks all the boxes for me. 10/10, and the only way it could be more is if it was Mina instead )

 

[link18]

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[ffive]

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Oh come on, everyone recognizes Ian is better looking than Edwin. He should be objectively C. Even has a haircut to match others in that tier.

 

[ffive]

Looking more in the script, for anyone wondering why they don't get option to hook up with the bartender at the club, this option is blocked with girlfriend Hana and also, maybe a bit counter-intuitively, if you have Ian on introspective path and chose to talk to him when he's having the lonely moment.

 

[Ottoeight]

But all money is "just extra money" if you want to view it like that. Going with this logic Victoria never had to make any porn at all, and should've just sold the house etc. So then she and Edwin would get to live 10+ years in miserable conditions and Edwin would have to put up with being mocked for being poor instead of theoretically being mocked about his mother's actions.


Uhh i'm not forgetting it? It is, in fact, part of my point -- Edwin's comments about their situation, financial and otherwise, are made long after Victoria has done all her porn movies. How they were able to live is the result of that, and if Victoria had made different call back then, Edwin wouldn't be able to talk that he's got relatively okay and undisturbed life, because his life would've been quite different and likely way worse.

Mocked because he's poor? seriously, man.

Anyway, they wouldn't have been poor AT ALL.

She didn't do it for the money. She did it because she totally flipped out after her husband's death (remember: he died in a car accident when he was young - IF I remember well) and after her sons started to act like a problem child with very serious issues.

We should always remember that our Edwin hero is a looney.

 

[ffive]

She didn't do it for the money. She did it because she totally flipped out after her husband's death (remember: he died in a car accident when he was young - IF I remember well) and after her sons started to act like a problem child with very serious issues.

Uhm wait, how do you go from "my son is acting out" to "so i should make some porn flicks"? Because i see zero logic in there. Unless what you're trying to say is that Victoria is batshit crazy and unable to make rational decisions, in which case she's hiding it pretty well because i never got that impression from her.

 

[Ottoeight]

Uhm wait, how do you go from "my son is acting out" to "so i should make some porn flicks"? Because i see zero logic in there. Unless what you're trying to say is that Victoria is batshit crazy and unable to make rational decisions, in which case she's hiding it pretty well because i never got that impression from her.

I think you might want to go back to the prologue and early days when Kathleen talks about Victoria's porn career with Edwin - what she thinks about it and what she thinks about Edwin's "rationalisation" of his mother's doing.

I stand by my opinion. She flipped out.


Anyway, we're arguing about some characters in a VN, not real people. Therefore, I guess we're not arguing about Victoria's purposes - we're arguing about which plausible purposes the Authors decided she has in order that her actions and motives fit into the story.

 

[ffive]

I think you might want to go back to the prologue and early days when Kathleen talks about Victoria's porn career with Edwin - what she thinks about it and what she thinks about Edwin's "rationalisation" of his mother's doing.

I stand by my opinion. She flipped out.

Hmm i have to say i don't remember any of this, but i'm also not interested enough in Kat's opinion to go back and hear her out... not in the least because i put zero stock in anything she tells Edwin, given how she attempts to manipulate and mold him from the get-go. So, let's just leave it at that.

 

[D3man813]

Any Full Gallery Scene Saves or Gallery unlock Mods? Ive played through the chapter like 5 times and cant get the kat scene or the bartender scene or any of the Bi Curious Mina Scenes

 

[Silver2301]

But in the end the leverage Grace got wasn't that huge since Victoria decided to tell the truth herself. So yeah, instead of doing a simple, rational thing Victoria decided to do the opposite and all of this for drama and our entertainment. She was crying because she was afraid and ashamed of herself and for a good reason. Let's be honest, she didn't have to sell her body, Edwin said so himself and she must have known that sooner or later the past might catch up to her.

i think Doing the simple thing is just worse for her in the long run and she doesnt want it to be used against her in the future ever again. and lets be real if she didnt do what she did edwin would be probably in lot worse situation right now.

 

[Ottoeight]

Any Full Gallery Scene Saves or Gallery unlock Mods? Ive played through the chapter like 5 times and cant get the kat scene or the bartender scene or any of the Bi Curious Mina Scenes

Bro, use search bar: we've explained what you have to do in order to unlock these scenes quite a few times.

 

[Silver2301]

Any Full Gallery Scene Saves or Gallery unlock Mods? Ive played through the chapter like 5 times and cant get the kat scene or the bartender scene or any of the Bi Curious Mina Scenes

You could try universal gallery unlocker if you just want the scenes to unlock. you can just search it in this forum or the site.

 

[D3man813]

Bro, use search bar: we've explained what you have to do in order to unlock these scenes quite a few times.

I just didnt want to have to replay through the entire game 2-3 more times and search threw the 900+ pages to find out the correct route to get all the scenes a simple No would have done from you lol

 

[Ottoeight]

I just didnt want to have to replay through the entire game 2-3 more times and search threw the 900+ pages to find out the correct route to get all the scenes a simple No would have done from you lol

I might add that using other people's saves is not a good idea.

This whole thread tells you why:

https://f95zone.to/threads/recent-malware-infected-games.207437/

(yes, attaching a malware to a Ren'py save is very very easy)