VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

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Yea, even more considering it feels like we are just talking to a very stubborn person, it's a back and forth that just repeats itself and nothing comes out of this whole deal , I do hope it doesn't ruin his enjoyment of this game tho.

We need to reach 1k pages somehow

Anyone else think that playing the MC as a "good guy" is maybe way inconsistent with the character? After the Katherine scene in the new update, it really drives through that the MC has serious anger, sociopathic tendencies, and a serious sadistic streak (sexually and otherwise).

We know already that Katherine is a pure psychopath, with no ability to feel emotions other than vicariously, and is both a sexual sadist as well as being generally sadistic and malevolent. The fact that she sees that same tendencies in the MC is very telling, as she is a very perceptive person. If you choose to let it off the leash, it's clear that there is truth in this.

The character buries and masks a lot (his mom's past, which obsesses him, yet he can't even put it into words; his violent streak, which is how he befriended Ian; etc.). He likes to seem like a good guy, but is it self-delusional? Is it playing pretend to fit in?

It is up to the player to steer Edwin from that kind of behavior, i m yet to play Edwin's evil path so for me i find good MC as conflicted between his tendencies and the the well being of his loved ones and not inconsistent its like a healing path with challenges that will depend on the player too if he will heal or not
i will wait until i play Evil Edwin to cast a well rounded judgment

 

[ffive]

Anyone else think that playing the MC as a "good guy" is maybe way inconsistent with the character? After the Katherine scene in the new update, it really drives through that the MC has serious anger, sociopathic tendencies, and a serious sadistic streak (sexually and otherwise).

To paraphrase a saying, the "good guys" are not those who lack bad impulses, but who choose not to indulge in them.

So no, it's not really inconsistent. Whether your MC actually is a "good guy" is up to you.

 

[Maccabbee]

Ian's current assholery I think is a direct result of Edwin's (and his uncle's) influence on him. Remember, he was a sensitive sweet kid, which is why he was being bullied. MC was the violent kid that defended him. Ian's aloof and neglectful parents certainly didn't help.

Helping the "introspective" side of Ian to emerge may be helping to reverse that damage, or help him mature. Not sure if it will make him any happier, though.

 

[Joratox]

He likes to seem like a good guy, but is it self-delusional? Is it playing pretend to fit in?

"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." Don't remember who said this, but I find it to be true in a lot of situations. Being able to be cruel, but not be cruel is also a sign of a good man. The MC will be who you choose for him to be. I think this is what separates us from animals, not intelligence or opposable thumbs, but the ability to control and suppress our instincts, in order to function as a society.

Edwin atleast is not a psychopath, like Kathleen. He still shows emotions (good or bad ) and he is able to feel remorse after doing something "bad".

But also, feel free to be the "bad guy" ) this is why it's just a game and you can go ham in it. As long as you are grounded in reality after exiting the game, all is permitted here

 

[Zod666]

Where is trigger for this? I dont remember this option. Noticed it first now during Felicia+Mina scene before BJ.

 

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Where is trigger for this? I dont remember this option. Noticed it first now during Felicia+Mina scene before BJ.

This is set up by Edwin having doggy sex with Felicia in the club toilet during the prologue.

    mc "Who's your daddy?"
    "As cheap and pornographic as it was, my arousal compelled me to latch onto Felicia's slip of the tongue, letting me utter what I'd normally find embarrassing and extremely corny."
    fel "Y-you are?"
    "Thwap!"
    mc "WHO'S your daddy?"
    fel "You are!"

 

[Zod666]

This is set up by Edwin having sex with Felicia in the club toilet during the prologue.

    mc "Who's your daddy?"
    "As cheap and pornographic as it was, my arousal compelled me to latch onto Felicia's slip of the tongue, letting me utter what I'd normally find embarrassing and extremely corny."
    fel "Y-you are?"
    "Thwap!"
    mc "WHO'S your daddy?"
    fel "You are!"

Well that was a fast answer!
Prologue, yea no shit i dont remember it, guess ill just change the variable, tnx.

 

[ffive]

Well that was a fast answer!
Prologue, yea no shit i dont remember it, guess ill just change the variable, tnx.

Mind you, the only thing it changes is how Felicia refers to MC in a few places, so unless you're seriously into having MC referred to as "daddy" you aren't really missing out on anything without it.

 

[MagicMan753]

This is set up by Edwin having doggy sex with Felicia in the club toilet during the prologue.

    mc "Who's your daddy?"
    "As cheap and pornographic as it was, my arousal compelled me to latch onto Felicia's slip of the tongue, letting me utter what I'd normally find embarrassing and extremely corny."
    fel "Y-you are?"
    "Thwap!"
    mc "WHO'S your daddy?"
    fel "You are!"

I wished you could get her to call you that if you went apartment route and played truth or dare instead, cause I kind of like the whole daddy thing, but unfortunately it doesn't happen.

 

[Zod666]

Mind you, the only thing it changes is how Felicia refers to MC in a few places, so unless you're seriously into having MC referred to as "daddy" you aren't really missing out on anything without it.

Having a hot, blond, gold digger, calling a younger MC daddy? Yes, im seriously into it.

 

[Hungover00]

Anyone else think that playing the MC as a "good guy" is maybe way inconsistent with the character? After the Katherine scene in the new update, it really drives through that the MC has serious anger, sociopathic tendencies, and a serious sadistic streak (sexually and otherwise).

We know already that Katherine is a pure psychopath, with no ability to feel emotions other than vicariously, and is both a sexual sadist as well as being generally sadistic and malevolent. The fact that she sees that same tendencies in the MC is very telling, as she is a very perceptive person. If you choose to let it off the leash, it's clear that there is truth in this.

The character buries and masks a lot (his mom's past, which obsesses him, yet he can't even put it into words; his violent streak, which is how he befriended Ian; etc.). He likes to seem like a good guy, but is it self-delusional? Is it playing pretend to fit in?

Wait, do you mean Kathleen? The club manager? And was there a new scene with her in this update? What was the scene? I don't know if I forgot it, missed it, or what, but it isn't ringing any bells.

 

[ffive]

Wait, do you mean Kathleen? The club manager? And was there a new scene with her in this update? What was the scene? I don't know if I forgot it, missed it, or what, but it isn't ringing any bells.

Edwin gets a visit from Kat after Rose moves out of the apartment, if you've chosen to visit Kat after the exhibition instead of one of the girls.

 

[Hungover00]

Edwin gets a visit from Kat after Rose moves out of the apartment, if you've chosen to visit Kat after the exhibition instead of one of the girls.

Ah, gotcha. Unless I was working backwards to get a gallery scene I would never make that choice.

So the Edwin that wants to hang out with the sociopath is more fucked up than every other version of Edwin? Is that about the sum of things?

 

[Joratox]

Wait, do you mean Kathleen? The club manager? And was there a new scene with her in this update? What was the scene? I don't know if I forgot it, missed it, or what, but it isn't ringing any bells.

oh ho ho, there is a scene...a very graphic scene ) I can't remember 100% the trigger, but I think it something related to

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[Hungover00]

oh ho ho, there is a scene...a very graphic scene ) I can't remember 100% the trigger, but I think it something related to

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I recall an older scene where Kat tried to tease out Edwin's sadistic side. Too much S for my taste. Much prefer the softer dom stuff. So I can imagine him going back to her for a deeper talk could get very fucked up. Yikes. Yeah, I'm not feeding that wolf in Edwin, k'bye! /s

 

[Krytax123]

Ah, gotcha. Unless I was working backwards to get a gallery scene I would never make that choice.

So the Edwin that wants to hang out with the sociopath is more fucked up than every other version of Edwin? Is that about the sum of things?

*cough* multimod *cough*

I usually dont even like multimods but its pretty good here and i even like the added cheating lol

 

[ffive]

So the Edwin that wants to hang out with the sociopath is more fucked up than every other version of Edwin? Is that about the sum of things?

Yup, it's for the Edwin who gets to be Kat's willing sadist apprentice, getting in touch with his dark wants etc.

 

[Maccabbee]

Ah, gotcha. Unless I was working backwards to get a gallery scene I would never make that choice.

So the Edwin that wants to hang out with the sociopath is more fucked up than every other version of Edwin? Is that about the sum of things?

Not so much a more fucked version, as it shows it to you more clearly. The fucked upness is still all in there.

 

[Krytax123]

Yup, it's for the Edwin who gets to be Kat's willing sadist apprentice, getting in touch with his dark wants etc.

I would argue he's less a apprentice and its more like kat luring Edwing true and fucked up self out. Shes less encouraging him to behave in a certain way and more urging him to simply do as he feels and wants. And it is a pretty fucked up version of Edwin on this path, guy has issues

 

[Hungover00]

Not so much a more fucked version, as it shows it to you more clearly. The fucked upness is still all in there.

That's not a debate I'll get into without extensively defining terms, like 'fucked upness.'

I would argue he's less a apprentice and its more like kat luring Edwing true and fucked up self out. Shes less encouraging him to behave in a certain way and more urging him to simply do as he feels and wants. And it is a pretty fucked up version of Edwin on this path, guy has issues

Did you see the scene with Rosalind on the couch this update? The very romantic and domestic side of Edwin was very strong. I don't think his sadistic side is necessary to his character, he just has the potential. Same for his caring and romantic side.