VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Meabe37]

I remind you he watches his mother's gangbangs

I see nothing wrong here.

Also, more bukkake for sweet Rosalind please... She need it.

 

[ArsenHumby]

This was one of the themes in previous edition that Edwin got a video of, but was it ever confirmed that it is a fixed event in every edition and so guaranteed to happen, as opposed to just a one-off theme in previous year..?

I mean it could be a different theme but with characters like the dude that recommended Veronica i doubt it but with this team everything is possible.

 

[Khan merry]

Maybe some players but definitely not the MC. I remind you he watches his mother's gangbangs

Well this vn made mainly for the players feels a certain feeling is it not?
And also we have different relationship dynamic with different people in our life, what do we feel from seeing our parent fucking isn't the same as seeing our friend, crush or girlfried fucking.

 

[Ottoeight]

I see nothing wrong here.

Also, more bukkake for sweet Rolasind please... She need it.

But her name is Rosalind.

After listening to falecia's reasons for why she joined the club, I couldn't help but say she might be the most intelligently dumb person one could ever come across saying "she was afraid that her husband could find out about her having a hand in saving that school" (like he would care as long as it's not his money or considering how dumb he is being portrayed in the game as of now at least, that he would attach that school running again to her wife who got fucked by The MC in his office)" but she isn't afraid of her husband getting a hand on those photos that Edwin took at his house (even a patron can easily leak those photos out of envy/hate towards ellais ford to hurt not even his feelings/ego but also hurting his reputation/respect in the city which eventually can cause him financial damage or just for the fun of it, the world is full of leakers) or if you take the realistic approach of this game into account someone like Elias should already know about an exclusive club for the rich and powerful in the middle of the city and will eventually find out that a familiar face has joined it, it's just a matter of time.

So she basically endangered everything that she has built so far, for what? A chance at success (again) from another Asshole other than her husband, out of anger?, up to this point I thought she was wiser than that.

It really seems like she has made a terrible mistake taking this step and if it isn't the case in future for this game and she really cash on this choice of hers without losing more than what she gained, I would say at least her storyline resembles a poorly written harem game where everything happens with no reasons and no consciousness whatsoever.

But her name is Felicia.

 

[ramiurga]

But her name is Rosalind.
But her name is Felicia.

Yes, show some respect to these fine women!

 

[ename144]

After listening to falecia's reasons for why she joined the club, I couldn't help but say she might be the most intelligently dumb person one could ever come across saying "she was afraid that her husband could find out about her having a hand in saving that school" (like he would care as long as it's not his money or considering how dumb he is being portrayed in the game as of now at least, that he would attach that school running again to her wife who got fucked by The MC in his office)" but she isn't afraid of her husband getting a hand on those photos that Edwin took at his house (even a patron can easily leak those photos out of envy/hate towards ellais ford to hurt not even his feelings/ego but also hurting his reputation/respect in the city which eventually can cause him financial damage or just for the fun of it, the world is full of leakers) or if you take the realistic approach of this game into account someone like Elias should already know about an exclusive club for the rich and powerful in the middle of the city and will eventually find out that a familiar face has joined it, it's just a matter of time.

So she basically endangered everything that she has built so far, for what? A chance at success (again) from another Asshole other than her husband, out of anger?, up to this point I thought she was wiser than that.

It really seems like she has made a terrible mistake taking this step and if it isn't the case in future for this game and she really cash on this choice of hers without losing more than what she gained, I would say at least her storyline resembles a poorly written harem game where everything happens with no reasons and no consciousness whatsoever.

Felicia's actions are certainly debatable, but I think you're overlooking a few important points.

First, the Felicia who joined the summer Exhibition isn't quite the same as the Felicia who was too scared to save the school. She's looking to join specifically because she regrets her previous inaction. If she had it to do over, she would defy Elias and try to save the school. Her desire to join the Club is an attempt (albeit potentially misguided) to give her the resources to she would need should such a situation come up again.

Second, Elias would definitely care about Felicia saving the school with her own money, because it would mean she defied him. As far as he's concerned, Felicia's entire role is to validate and glorify the great Elias Ford. Ignoring his commands not only fails to stoke his ego, it implies he could be wrong! While it's entirely possible he'd never find out about the school, if he did he would certainly take action to punish Felicia - partially because he seems to be a vindictive asshole, but mostly to teach her never to do that sort of thing again.

Lastly, as far as Felicia not being afraid of the MC taking photos of her during his visit, she very clearly WAS concerned about that! That's why Kathleen insisted the MC not warn her in advance, and why she refused to play ball with him initially. It was only when Elias' monumental ego reminded her that she needed to risk building her own powerbase that Felicia came around.

 

[Silegy]

Because it will be more artistic that we did all of that bonding and try to build relationship with them but in the end of the day these are just cumpdump whores

That is the prerequisite quality of a good wife. ♥

I see nothing wrong here.

Also, more bukkake for sweet Rosalind please... She need it.

Stop wasting creampie filling on your goofy games!!!

 

[Ahreahl88]

Because you just assumed that Elias would have found that a random school in a random place relative to the City has opened again and on top of that he would have find out that Felicia had an indirect hand in it (she can't even help directly she could ask for help from someone else).
Then let's assume here that he knows what her wife is doing altogether and eventually he would know that she has joined the carnations club, keeping that in mind, Felicia is clearly taking very big risk here even bigger than she would have taken by helping the school because now multiple people can reveal/leak her doing to Elias and because she wouldn't just be punished this time but she would lose her husband (realistically) and even club patrons could continue to use her like a rag doll because they have no obligation to help her if that happens, in contrast actually they will cash on her misery.

If that is what you are saying with the addition that she has grew bolder with time, than that's exactly what I was saying too. If helping the school could have proved fatal to her than by default doing what she is doing now is absolutely dangerous.
She is being optimistic in a wrong time and about a wrong decision. She should have been more optimistic about her helping the school.


Please read what I was saying again because seems like you have misunderstood it, as absurd as it is that she agreed to the debauchery even after her husband insulted her (it wouldn't have been her first time being insulted) still I don't have any issue with why she suddenly changed her mind about it, it certainly wasn't perfect (like some of the other scene buildups were in this game) but it was ok.

But because we are talking about that scene I would add that I really didn't like how Elias reacted to it (if he reacted at all lol) he was portrayed very dumb (even our MC mentioned that) which is very unrealistic for a man of his stature, I mean he gave them exact minutes to finish their business lol

I think it's all about power dynamics with Felicia. The "ladder" she keeps talking about. I also think the school is more complex than she literally said. It's basically all her trying to square this circle of being a self-described gold digger and a human being, simultaneously.

If she's part of the club - she wins and becomes a patron - she's at an equal plane as all the other patrons. Even while competing in the contest: she's a potential patron the whole time in her eyes, not just a carnation. In her marriage she's pretty much a disposable asset and Elias has all the power. This is particularly depressing to her because Elias is so dumb, in a way. In his mind, something like the MC & the photo shoot under his nose would never even occur to her to do: he believes Felicia is beyond happy, because who wouldn't be happy in her position?, being married to a rich genius & etc. Ego makes people far stupider than desire (far more blind spots). Felicia is almost all desire & he's almost all ego. And as an aside, people can be highly egoic and beyond competent in the socioeconomic realm. It is always one's personal life where ego takes its biggest toll.

I genuinely think she didn't 'try harder' with the school because she was trying to convince herself to take everything in stride and be happy with her marriage. This required repressing how much she actually cared about the school & art in general (really, self-expression of any kind). Thus, this outburst of self-expression from her with the club & the contest. She is resentful of Elias like she says, but that level of resentment doesn't come simply from the school thing; she just made it about that in order to understand it better herself. She also had nothing to materially gain in saving the school. The reward was intangible & the risk was losing all her social currency. At least in the contest she stands to gain something she can trade on. The risk/reward are both way higher, for sure, but people who put their unconscious desires in a pressure cooker for years will naturally gravitate towards such high-stakes scenarios.

But I will agree that she's both intelligent and dumb like you said in your first post, lol. I think she is slightly over-estimating how much social currency being a patron of the club will afford her but, at the same time, she is correct that she has to do something. Her life before the club was obviously not doing it for her. And generally speaking, if anyone wants anything they tend to over-estimate it's importance.

I'm also not saying this to argue with you. You like what you like & I like what I like, which is what makes the world go 'round. I also think I'm in the minority of people who like Felicia particularly. Almost all of it is subtext and, even still, she's not the most sympathetic character of all time, nor is she the most mature. This is just my caffeinated take.

 

[slightchance]

I also think I'm in the minority of people who like Felicia particularly.

Nope, loved by many. Still, it must be a world where onlyfans & co hasn't been invented yet because why would anyone with half a brain subject themself to random acts of debauchery in front of an audience that consists mainly of mobsters?

It doesn't make much sense unless the participants are extremely naive or they secretly love that lewd lifestyle. You know, the type of girl who's actually not interested in talking about the script when they follow Weinstein to his hotel room.

 

[TD1900]

Felicia's dubious rationality is part of her character.

She's a bored, hedonistic trophy wife who is not as self-actualized as she purports to be. Edwin notes many times how insane her "plan" is and calls into question its feasibility, but that adds to the excitement. She certainly had other avenues to lay a nest egg independent of her husband, but convenient for the story in this sex game, whatever it is that twists her up inside (lust, anger toward Elias, lack of belief in her own capabilities) made throwing herself into an abyss and seeing where she lands an appealing option.

 

[ffive]

Nope, loved by many. Still, it must be a world where onlyfans & co hasn't been invented yet because why would anyone with half a brain subject themself to random acts of debauchery in front of an audience that consists mainly of mobsters?

Because getting access to said mobsters and city elite is Felicia's actual goal, as she's been saying all along..?

 

[slightchance]

Because getting access to said mobsters and city elite is Felicia's actual goal, as she's been saying all along..?

To do what exactly? She has had a couple of goals she obviously didn't reach so why is this any different?

 

[ffive]

To do what exactly? She has had a couple of goals she obviously didn't reach so why is this any different?

She doesn't elaborate but it doesn't mean she has no actual motive for this, instead of making some Onlyfans page.

 

[slightchance]

She doesn't elaborate but it doesn't mean she has no actual motive for this, instead of making some Onlyfans page.

The comment about OF was more about the girls in general. I'd prefer a Felicia who's not only playing because that's her only option. I like for her to have made the choice for the thrill of it. Even better if she's also playing our hero while she's at it. Imagine if it turns out she's the one pulling all the strings at home, and not her docile house husband.

 

[ffive]

I'd prefer a Felicia who's not only playing because that's her only option. I like for her to have made the choice for the thrill of it. Even better if she's also playing our hero while she's at it. Imagine if it turns out she's the one pulling all the strings at home, and not her docile house husband.

I mean, her wanting access to the mobsters for whatever goals she has planned *and* the things you mention, those aren't mutually exclusive. She might very well be doing it because that's her plan and she also likes the thrill of it.

I was simply countering what seemed like a claim that she's stupid for seeking contact with the mobsters at all because she could be doing something else instead.

 

[Beduin123]

It's porn not a documentary.

I know, but I still prefer the plot to be feasible, if possible. This game has one of the best stories that I found on this site. That's why I wish it would be good in all parts of it. If it would be a simple fuckfest, I wouldn't care.

I know, some people commit reckless actions when they feel their life has lost the meaning. But here it is basically the highest risk for her to throw herself into life full of suffering and misery for the rest of her life.

 

[ffive]

Even Katherine asking for a mere 200$ should be an insult to the so called "Riches" but this Eric guy whining about it is just ridiculous considering this is more a show of their wealth and power and less what they are getting for how many grands (or should I say bucks because seems like grands are out of there league lol) they are throwing.

Dude is police chef. He isn't a VIP member because he's rich, he's VIP member because he enables the club to operate with impunity.

 

[helo138]

I am really impressed about you guys focusing on the important details, while I am easily distracted by the naked girls on stage. That's next level commitment.

 

[ffive]

I thought you would say this... ok but Why Kathleen asked for mere 200$ per nut considering some of them couldn't even nut lol so that leaves her with how much money exactly? At most 4000$ minus the 400$ that Edwin and Ian paid (that's me being generous considering one or two of them decided/"had it in them" to nut more than once, that's rich?

I don't think she's doing the nut part as any sort of serious fundraiser, really. Also, just because people are rich doesn't mean they carry thousands of dollars in cash with them. That's what the credit cards are for, after all... but at the same time, simply declaring "i'll pay x USD" is less... visceral so to speak, than throwing your cash at humiliated woman. So what you get is middle ground, price-wise, aimed primarily at guests' entertainment.

 

[slightchance]

I was simply countering what seemed like a claim that she's stupid for seeking contact with the mobsters at all because she could be doing something else instead.

If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid. Like you said, we don't know her real goals yet or if there's a hidden agenda so it's up to devs how smart they are going to portray her. As for now, her motivations for participating are a bit flimsy if you don't think of her as masochistic deviant.