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UmbralKnight

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i am ok with waiting few more months for the nxt update
the devs said that they like to end the exhibition update with a cliffhanger
if we get a split update then the current story would have to be altered in a way to end it in a cliffhanger again like it did last update
sure we would all love the update now but in long term it could hurt the flow of the story
 

Derek in a Bush

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i am ok with waiting few more months for the nxt update
the devs said that they like to end the exhibition update with a cliffhanger
if we get a split update then the current story would have to be altered in a way to end it in a cliffhanger again like it did last update
sure we would all love the update now but in long term it could hurt the flow of the story
That being said i stand by what i said, i rather have 1 big update rather than 2 smaller seperate x)
 

pinuz1

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Big update all the way, what's so bad about a few extra months? Not like the world's gonna end right... right?


Nah hopefully don't, but for real I rather a big long update than two quickes.
There's quite a bit of content in this update already, enough to justify a release
TD has already mentioned this update already has a lot of content, it wouldn't just be a small one, after all, it's been 7 months, that's the usual dev time for most of the updates and those tend to be meaty enough.

I'm very curious on how TD and Gil would opperate if they do break the update in two, would they release the other half as soon as the exhibition part is finished, so we'd be looking at another update in 3-4 months, or would they keep going and add a bit more content after exhibition? :unsure:

I'm fine with both options, but both have their ups and downs :unsure:
 

ename144

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Sorry guys,

but I wholeheartedly hope that they split the update.

You are underestimating the development time (as usual).
Eh, I think I have a reasonably solid estimate of the time involved. I'm willing to wait, but I agree it will be a significant pause that could dampen interest in the game.


TD has already mentioned this update already has a lot of content, it wouldn't just be a small one, after all, it's been 7 months, that's the usual dev time for most of the updates and those tend to be meaty enough.

I'm very curious on how TD and Gil would opperate if they do break the update in two, would they release the other half as soon as the exhibition part is finished, so we'd be looking at another update in 3-4 months, or would they keep going and add a bit more content after exhibition? :unsure:

I'm fine with both options, but both have their ups and downs :unsure:
I'm virtually certain a hypothetical Chapter 4 Update 7 would still end after the Exhibition (plus the usual wrap-up). But I'm also sure it will still take more than 3-4 months, both because I'm expecting a lot of work just to complete the Exhibition and because if and when they split it I suspect they'll be a lot more willing to flesh out new ideas that crop up in the telling. That's a good thing in the long run given the general quality of their work, but it will take time.
 

Garen

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Sorry guys,

but I wholeheartedly hope that they split the update.

You are underestimating the development time (as usual).
+1

I space out a giant update over a week minimum anyway. I find digesting a handful of scenes at a time to be much more enjoyable than binging in one go. A couple months off in the midst of a giant event like the exhibition sounds perfect.

I imagine a pause would also allow for a mental refresh with even the possibility of new ideas to creep in from the dev side.
 
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Ottoeight

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Again,

you are underestimating the development time.

My guess is:

if they split:
- 1st half in end of september / mid-october
- 2nd half in 2026, probably not before march

if they don't split:
- end of december 2025 (if we're very lucky) / january-february 2026

I have the feeling that you've forgotten betatesting, prerelease wrap-up, post beta release, bugfixing beta and public version release times.
 

GMDominance

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Not a game dev but as a programmer myself, I'd prefer split the update into two because of two reasons:
- Feature creep are very much a thing, stick to a predefined scope. It's better to split a big update into smaller one, provided that each of the smaller updates is full-fledged.
- A successful release milestone helps boost morale, less features in a release -> reduce cognitive load and maybe it will enable your brain to come up with new ideas.
Another selfish reason is I can use it as an excuse to replay the previous update for a complete story :KEK:
 

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Unfortunately in a visual novel there isn't a direct correlation between story and size. For example the Pale Carnation's developers can split a week in three updates, where the first two are placed during the week and the third during the exhibition, but this doesn't mean all the updates will have an equal size. On the contrary it is higly probable that the third update will be the greatest one among the three and the developers cannot split this update in two, without breaking a part of the story which is indivisible.
 

ename144

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Again,

you are underestimating the development time.

My guess is:

if they split:
- 1st half in end of september / mid-october
- 2nd half in 2026, probably not before march

if they don't split:
- end of december 2025 (if we're very lucky) / january-february 2026

I have the feeling that you've forgotten betatesting, prerelease wrap-up, post beta release, bugfixing beta and public version release times.
I'm not sure why you think we're failing to account for all this; if anything my estimates are a month or so longer than yours and I still favor the single release (assuming the devs are comfortable with the long wait, of course). I worry that chopping up the Exhibition will result in a very high concentration of my least favorite content in the second half. Now, the devs might be able to mitigate that by adding more variety to the second half once it's split, but from my point of view that just means we have to wait even longer to get to the good stuff after the Exhibition.

We all have our reasons for or against a split release, but I don't think it's helpful to insist people who disagree with you must have miscounted.


Unfortunately in a visual novel there isn't a direct correlation between story and size. For example the Pale Carnation's developers can split a week in three updates, where the first two are placed during the week and the third during the exhibition, but this doesn't mean all the updates will have an equal size. On the contrary it is higly probable that the third update will be the greatest one among the three and the developers cannot split this update in two, without breaking a part of the story which is indivisible.
Well, the devs are on record in saying the update can be split, it's just a question of how much the split would lessen the impact of the material.

It seems pretty clear the devs feel the lost impact would be significant, and thus would prefer to keep the halves together if all else was equal. But all else is not equal. There are external consequences (both to the fans and to the devs themselves) of a really long development cycle, and those have to be factored in as well.

I don't think there's a perfect solution to the dilemma, but as I've said I trust the devs to make the best choice for the game.
 

lustforsex

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What are the counterarguments against the idea that supporters of the full update can simply wait until the second part comes out and play the update in full? Besides the fact that they might encounter spoilers, which is a weak counterargument, because if you're willing to wait, you can distance yourself from the forums, discord, etc. during that time.

I want to know your point of view, because nothing comes to mind on this matter.
 

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What are the counterarguments against the idea that supporters of the full update can simply wait until the second part comes out and play the update in full? Besides the fact that they might encounter spoilers, which is a weak counterargument, because if you're willing to wait, you can distance yourself from the forums, discord, etc. during that time.

I want to know your point of view, because nothing comes to mind on this matter.
I am really baffled about the current poll, 2/3 of the patreons want to wait. Probably because the devs themselves want to keep the exhibition in one update. I cannot really understand it, from my point of view splitting the update has more advantages than disadvantages. Taking longer as a whole is a weak argument, since we are talking probably about 10 days longer for double proofreading and so one, which is insignificant looking at a development time which will be longer than 400 days. Also I do not believe the update will be finished in 3-4 months. We are looking at a release window in February or March 2026.

In short, give us the update now, everybody who cares about the build-up and cliffhangers, can just skip the update and wait until next year.
 
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I am really baffled about the current poll, 2/3 of the patreons want to wait. Probably because the devs themselves want to keep the exhibition in one update. I cannot really understand it, from my point of view splitting the update has more advantages than disadvantages. Taking longer as a whole is a weak argument, since we are talking probably about 10 days longer for double proofreading and so one, which is insignificant looking at a development time which will be longer than 400 days. Also I do not believe the update will be finished in 3-4 months. We are looking at a release window in February or March 2026.

In short, give us the update now, everybody who cares about the build-up and cliffhangers, can just skip the update and wait until next year.
Entitled much
 

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I am really baffled about the current poll, 2/3 of the patreons want to wait. Probably because the devs themselves want to keep the exhibition in one update. I cannot really understand it, from my point of view splitting the update has more advantages than disadvantages.
1. I love long meaty updates, nothing to do with Devs desires. They are going to do what they are going to do

2. GTA4 to GTA5 to GTA6 has built up my patience for game development cycles. A few extra months is nothing to me.

3. Gives me more more time to replay the game and refresh my memory on all the story points.

Signed… someone who voted not to split in Patreon. :D
 

lustforsex

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I do wonder what the consequences for the first two will be. I told Ian since he's my bro, and kept the videos because I, as the player, am interested in Victoria's past and figured deleting the videos would be counterintuitive.
I'm also very interested in the consequences of these two choices. I did exactly the same as you in both cases and consider not deleting the tapes as "Face your demons" and I don't see the logic in the fact that Edwin after this will not be able to forgive Vicky, whatever the truth is. It can only make him stronger than just turning a blind eye to all this. IMHO.
 
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