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[alex13_zen]

Do you guys think Veronica might be using steroids?

Steroids are pretty expensive, Veronica definitely couldn't afford them. She also has no need to since she doesn't compete anymore. Lastly, she seems to value a lot being healthy.

Could a woman have that physique IRL? From what I've read, developed deltoids like Veronica's are a known sign of steroid use. Especially for women.

 

[imagica]

I choose both.
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Wow damn, this should be a real threesome scene. Jeez, I am waiting for release date announcement more than for the game itself)

 

[Kameri]

Going by dialog, Veronica is very much into health training stuff, so unlikely she takes steroids. On the other hand, parts of her muscle packages are rare among women and not all that easy to gain. So it is possible she used them earlier, but recognised that it is not good in the long run.

Yeah, I think this fits the narrative better, especially since one of the points in PC is drug use. Gym bros also often lie about being “natty,” so she might have used them at some point in the past.

 

[UmbralKnight]

lot's of interesting speculations about Veronica's physique

the first and the most obvious question
Is it REALLY possible for a middle aged woman like Veronica to have an amazing body like her ?

quite possible

however is it "natty" ?
probable but very HIGHLY unlikely in real life
but then again most of the characters in this game have features would be considered "too good" IRL
for example Kathleen looks way too good for someone her age.

Veronica is simply too physically perfect to exist IRL.
female body builders/athletes who are as tall and well built as Veronica simply don't have her features naturally or otherwise IRL

BUT

there are 8 billion people living in earth rn so statistically somewhere someone out there has the potential to become someone like Veronica with the right genes,money,time and effort.

highly unlikely but possible statistically speaking.

but if we forget about all that stuff and view this purely from ingame perspective it gets interesting

while she appears to be atleast somewhat health conscious when talking to the MC about her clients who don't even eat proper and healthy food
but that doesn't mean she was always "clean" maybe she is speaking from her own experience as a former athlete as why it's important to remain "clean"

remember her golden rule ?

"Easy/Fast/Hard/Good" - you can only pick 2

she could have chosen the "Good/Hard" path to try becoming a top athlete or maybe she chose the "Easy/Fast" route to become an Olympian (personally I don't think she chose this path) but who can say her coach/trainer didn't play a part ?

maybe she was intentionally misled by her coach and tricked into taking drugs
after all even IRL olympic athletes regularly get caught doping
and let's be honest Veronica isn't exactly the most brightest or intelligent person even as a middle aged woman.

she would have been very impressionable at that age especially if it's someone whom she trusts like her coach ,tells her to take some experimental "supplements" or something like that she would have believed her coach and wouldn't have hesitated taking something she shouldn't have

if I had to guess what she kind of drug she took
I would say HGH while steroids are commonly used HGH use amongst even IRL athletes wasn't detected easily for a long time
HGH use would not only give her an almost nearly impossibly unattainable physique
but it would also answer another plotpoint - her pregnancy problem

lot's of IRL female athletes/body builders face this issue too
even if they are "natty" some of them have trouble getting pregnant because they have more Testosterone than the average women and if they take drugs that alter their hormone levels say something like steroids or HGH it could cause permanent infertility too

this would explain why she and her wife had problems with having children



but honestly this is theory is way too depressive
Veronica is already going through a lot and her getting duped by her coach and becoming infertile because of drug use would be way too messed up and sadistic


but then again it's just a game and if we couldall believe that her ingame boobs are natural
which are nearly impossible for IRL female bodybuilders btw then maybe we could also believe and hope that her supposed "problems" with pregnancy are purely a domestic issue between her and her partner rather than infertility caused by too much testosterone
which is sad and cruel even if it's far more plausible and probable cause IRL

 

[misfolk]

Do you guys think Veronica might be using steroids?

She's not super muscular. Here's what Natalie Hays looks off-season and she's reportedly natty:

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Veronica has larger tits, but she also has less muscle definition. She also has a very girly face. While both can be explained as HoneySelect limitations, let's call Vera a gifted natty that could've competed at bikini or fitness levels of natural bodybuilding competitions.

 

[nalgonas4ever]

If you are lactose intolerant, you can either use lactase powder to help your stomach or use milk products with low lactose content like hard cheeses, quark or yoghurt, the fermentation lowers lactose levels enough for those without the Thymin 13910 mutation, which gave us lactase persistence. This is the most broadly spread lactase persistence mutation, there 3-4 others but not with thie same frequency as the LCT-13910T one. Most of us Central and Northern Europeans carry this gene.

Thanks dude, I'll try those out!

I don't know if she uses steroids, but her boobs are pretty big for RL standards. And as boobs are mostly fat, female bodybuilders lose them. So IRL she would have fake boobs

IRL yes, but I was thinking in the realms of HS, but if we go IRL it's an 80% boob job and the other 20% are genetics with hopes and dreams.

lot's of interesting speculations about Veronica's physique

the first and the most obvious question
Is it REALLY possible for a middle aged woman like Veronica to have an amazing body like her ?

quite possible

however is it "natty" ?
probable but very HIGHLY unlikely in real life
but then again most of the characters in this game have features would be considered "too good" IRL
for example Kathleen looks way too good for someone her age.

Veronica is simply too physically perfect to exist IRL.
female body builders/athletes who are as tall and well built as Veronica simply don't have her features naturally or otherwise IRL

BUT

there are 8 billion people living in earth rn so statistically somewhere someone out there has the potential to become someone like Veronica with the right genes,money,time and effort.

highly unlikely but possible statistically speaking.

but if we forget about all that stuff and view this purely from ingame perspective it gets interesting

while she appears to be atleast somewhat health conscious when talking to the MC about her clients who don't even eat proper and healthy food
but that doesn't mean she was always "clean" maybe she is speaking from her own experience as a former athlete as why it's important to remain "clean"

remember her golden rule ?

"Easy/Fast/Hard/Good" - you can only pick 2

she could have chosen the "Good/Hard" path to try becoming a top athlete or maybe she chose the "Easy/Fast" route to become an Olympian (personally I don't think she chose this path) but who can say her coach/trainer didn't play a part ?

maybe she was intentionally misled by her coach and tricked into taking drugs
after all even IRL olympic athletes regularly get caught doping
and let's be honest Veronica isn't exactly the most brightest or intelligent person even as a middle aged woman.

she would have been very impressionable at that age especially if it's someone whom she trusts like her coach ,tells her to take some experimental "supplements" or something like that she would have believed her coach and wouldn't have hesitated taking something she shouldn't have

if I had to guess what she kind of drug she took
I would say HGH while steroids are commonly used HGH use amongst even IRL athletes wasn't detected easily for a long time
HGH use would not only give her an almost nearly impossibly unattainable physique
but it would also answer another plotpoint - her pregnancy problem

lot's of IRL female athletes/body builders face this issue too
even if they are "natty" some of them have trouble getting pregnant because they have more Testosterone than the average women and if they take drugs that alter their hormone levels say something like steroids or HGH it could cause permanent infertility too

this would explain why she and her wife had problems with having children



but honestly this is theory is way too depressive
Veronica is already going through a lot and her getting duped by her coach and becoming infertile because of drug use would be way too messed up and sadistic


but then again it's just a game and if we couldall believe that her ingame boobs are natural
which are nearly impossible for IRL female bodybuilders btw then maybe we could also believe and hope that her supposed "problems" with pregnancy are purely a domestic issue between her and her partner rather than infertility caused by too much testosterone
which is sad and cruel even if it's far more plausible and probable cause IRL

Totally dude, it makes me sad to think of her like that but IRL makes sense, I want to believe it's her genetics and her mother/grandma looked like a ginger cow.

 

[dolfe67]

this would explain why she and her wife had problems with having children

Or maybe because 2 women can't have children? I know IVF exists but I don't know if she said she tried it, I don't play her path

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

I choose both.
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[shroomify]

Asking Feli is not quite as bad as you make it seem.Most points of the Art exhibition you can still gain. I think you only loose 1 possible Confidence point and you can still max out her relations score. But yes, if pursue Felicia, you should use someone else if you want to gain most confi points.

Actually we have some clues what happens if we ask August! "Just Oliver" makes a very wrong decision, believing August is a man of the past, refusing an offer he cannot refuse. Bad idea! Like Warren said when told us, we should view the news. So Oliver has had either an epic roughing up or is dead. We do not know yet what it is.

Chuck is like you said. Maybe he even does so to get Ian into the situation.


As for Kath, while there is the option to sweettalk her into helping Rosi, you still need a lot of points with her. So you are at least the first steps on a sadistic path to get that far and Kath will use it in the future for sure.

I went into the club and in the poker scene. Played a bit then asked chuck. He then pressured the police chief into action. In a few days the other operation was shut down.

 

[Turret]

I went into the club and in the poker scene. Played a bit then asked chuck. He then pressured the police chief into action. In a few days the other operation was shut down.

Interesting! I never asked Chuck twice after he denied help the first time.

 

[lustforsex]

I went into the club and in the poker scene. Played a bit then asked chuck. He then pressured the police chief into action. In a few days the other operation was shut down.

This choice will be after you ask August/Chuck/Kathleen/Felicia for help and it doesn't work.

In my opinion, the best option if you're not interested in an MMF threesome is Kathleen, having 20 affection points with her or the Social Chameleon/Social Butterly perk, which allows you to try to solve the problem without any strings attached.

 

[Turret]

This choice will be after you ask August/Chuck/Kathleen/Felicia for help and it doesn't work.

In my opinion, the best option if you're not interested in an MMF threesome is Kathleen, having 20 affection points with her or the Social Chameleon/Social Butterly perk, which allows you to try to solve the problem without any strings attached.

Hi!
IMO the "best solution" for the Rosi money problem depends on what we see/feel is the best variant from our Edwin´s point of view. Having the needed 20 Kath points can/will interfere with gaining important points for other characters, so you should not underestimate that.
The Chuck solution is very much in line with what we learned about him from Abel and Sophia. Behind the scene "consultations", high profile cloak and dagger work. The fact that Oliver´s "bank" is shut down quickly afterwards shows that the police knew about him, but did not do much.
So personally I do not wonder much anymore that Abel and Sophia chose their way into the PC club to bring it down from the inside. It is also another hint towards our two doctors knowing one of Chuck´s victims personally.

The August solution is more or less the "who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" one. Oliver is an idiot and a dangerous one to boot when he dismisses August´s request for a "gentlemens agreement" about Rosi. Pissing off a "godfather" (it should be pretty clear by now that August is more than just a common criminal in this city) is not a good idea. And he pays the price, because he is either roughed up to the point it makes the news or dead, which also makes the news. It is also implied no one in the city will be sad this happened.

 

[Kameri]

 

[The Senior Perv]

Dev Diary 102

Howdy everyone! GIL here.
I'm happy to announce the beta build was handed to our playtester crew today. If things go smoothly and no major problems are detected, we'll probably have an early release build ready by this weekend. It's a wide update with a lot of different paths and variables, so here's hoping that doesn't give our brave proofreaders too much trouble. Expect an official release dates post in a couple of days.
It's really hard to sit idle while the final stretch of polish happens, so I figured I wouldn't. I used this time to perfect a couple of minor details in the current update, and when that was done, I decided to continue the prologue remake I timidly started before 4.5 hit the shelves. Rosalind's first encounter with [Edwin] at the club will be completely remade by the time you get your hands on the new build! Still some work to be done, but it's looking pretty good if I may say so myself. I tried to preserve the framing and flow of the scene almost to a 1:1, but there will be some new animations in there. TD told me he might rework the text some, so there's that too.
As always, thank you all so much for supporting us. You all make the dream happen. The goods will arrive soon enough!

 

[bo77om]

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Dev Diary 102

Howdy everyone! GIL here.
I'm happy to announce the beta build was handed to our playtester crew today. If things go smoothly and no major problems are detected, we'll probably have an early release build ready by this weekend. It's a wide update with a lot of different paths and variables, so here's hoping that doesn't give our brave proofreaders too much trouble. Expect an official release dates post in a couple of days.
It's really hard to sit idle while the final stretch of polish happens, so I figured I wouldn't. I used this time to perfect a couple of minor details in the current update, and when that was done, I decided to continue the prologue remake I timidly started before 4.5 hit the shelves. Rosalind's first encounter with [Edwin] at the club will be completely remade by the time you get your hands on the new build! Still some work to be done, but it's looking pretty good if I may say so myself. I tried to preserve the framing and flow of the scene almost to a 1:1, but there will be some new animations in there. TD told me he might rework the text some, so there's that too.
As always, thank you all so much for supporting us. You all make the dream happen. The goods will arrive soon enough!

finally, we gonna eat soon

 

[ffive]

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Damn, for a brief moment i thought Edwin hitting the gym had some truly express gains.

 

[Draim]

completely remade

Has stagnation set in? Now it's just a rework of what used to work fine.

 

[torpedogoat]

Has stagnation set in? Now it's just a rework of what used to work fine.

You are reading this update out of context. This release is going to be one half of a release that had to be split because it was going to be so huge. It contains everything until just before the next exhibition. The following release will then consist of the next exhibition itself.

The reworking of an early scene is just a little bonus. And at least from my point of view it's a very welcome bonus because even without the rework this is one of my favorite scenes. I am very much looking forward to the additional animations.

 

[MorbidViews21]

You are reading this update out of context. This release is going to be one half of a release that had to be split because it was going to be so huge. It contains everything until just before the next exhibition. The following release will then consist of the next exhibition itself.

The reworking of an early scene is just a little bonus. And at least from my point of view it's a very welcome bonus because even without the rework this is one of my favorite scenes. I am very much looking forward to the additional animations.

I remember people saying they wanted a mega update. Why is it being split, if the patrons wanted a mega update?

 

[Discrepancy]

I remember people saying they wanted a mega update. Why is it being split, if the patrons wanted a mega update?

After considering splitting or not, the devs decided for the split, mostly because of long dev time concerns.
I still expect a meaty update though, even with the split.