VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[gotmy223]

Felicia, August or Chuck? Who's the best option to help out with Rosalind's bookie problem?

I can't stand Kathleen, so I rather not even entertain that option.

 

[Turret]

Totally, I recongnize my lack of knowledge and understanding of that world, from time to time I've heard it's even common for athletes and bodybuilders to use them at some point on their lives, since there's only so much you can achieve with diet and exercising or even stuff like dehydrating yourself. I like to think Veronice would be like "I don't need shortcuts" but in the real world it would make sense sadly.

While a lot is possible with the right training and correct eating (e.g. animal protein, for example meat, milk products is essential for growing muscles and growing at all. Vegetable protein is not as effective. While we are not cats, for whom meat is essential, for humans it is also true to a lesser degree that animal protein is needed for growing up hale and well. I know some Vegans will protest, but let me tell you in twenty years most hardcore Vegans will be heavily sick or dead. That is simply biology and no amount of wish-thinking will change that.
The Vegans aside, we already see today what this strong focus on vegetables even for kids does. Humanity is shrinking again, the average heights is going down.), there is a biological border for both men and women.
Each body has it´s own point to which you can grow muscle mass with eating and training. If you want to go beyond you need steroids and other "fun" stuff. While Veronica is not too extreme, the muscles she shows in some pictures are borderline on what is normally possible and what is only possible with "help". So we will have to see if we get some info on this in the game.

Felicia, August or Chuck? Who's the best option to help out with Rosalind's bookie problem?
I can't stand Kathleen, so I rather not even entertain that option.

Depends very much on what direction you want to take Rosi´s story. Felicia is definitely the most "side effects" free option. Personally I also find August a good option. You take Chuck if you want a threesome with Rosi, because he will deny the request, but Ian will jump in.

 

[nalgonas4ever]

While a lot is possible with the right training and correct eating (e.g. animal protein, for example meat, milk products is essential for growing muscles and growing at all.

Oh man, now I'll never have some sick gains like my girl Ronie, milk makes my stomach go nuclear :c

 

[Turret]

Oh man, now I'll never have some sick gains like my girl Ronie, milk makes my stomach go nuclear :c

If you are lactose intolerant, you can either use lactase powder to help your stomach or use milk products with low lactose content like hard cheeses, quark or yoghurt, the fermentation lowers lactose levels enough for those without the Thymin 13910 mutation, which gave us lactase persistence. This is the most broadly spread lactase persistence mutation, there 3-4 others but not with thie same frequency as the LCT-13910T one. Most of us Central and Northern Europeans carry this gene.

 

[Turret]

I'm not sure I agree. We know Mina has an extensive list of kinks she wants to explore, including a threesome. But she only mentions sex with another woman if her Bi-Curious points are high enough. I think there's decent odds we can see Mina with another guy (particularly if the MC doesn't ride off into the sunset with her), though it will probably be pretty late in the game.

I agree with you on this. Pale Carnations tries to keep some normal logic instead of porn logic, e.g. like a harem for Edwin. We will have to decide which girl we choose as our sweetheart. We can have good relations with the others, but only one can be chosen.
So if we choose LI A, then LIs B-F will get into relationships with other guys, that is normal. PC is not a harem game.

 

[hitman2511]

I choose both.

 

[bonerland]

Do you guys think Veronica might be using steroids?

It's possible, but like others have said, she doesn't have an enormous clit or hair growing where it shouldn't. She's looks like a much taller LeanBeefPatty.

 

[Ottoeight]

Felicia, August or Chuck? Who's the best option to help out with Rosalind's bookie problem?

I can't stand Kathleen, so I rather not even entertain that option.

If you ask Felicia, she will pay but you will miss some points in her route: it's not a good choice if you are pursuing her and - most of all - if you want to raise her "confident" points score (sorry, I don't remember its proper name at the moment).

If you ask Auggie, he will refuse unless he has a very high trust score. We have no clue about the consequences.

If you ask Chuck, he will refuse and you will be redirected to Ian: Ian will pay and you will unlock the Rosalind threesome scene.

Kathleen? that's the choice if you want to go down her sadistic path, but it's a can of worm I would never open. So it wasn't an option for me.

Me? I'm playing 2 different gameplays: a path where Felicia paid, and a path where Ian paid.

 

[Ottoeight]

Do you guys think Veronica might be using steroids?

Since she's a character and not a real person, I guess the answer would be:

ask the Authors. My bet is that it never crossed their minds, so the answer would be: "Dunno, I'm gonna ask her".

 

[strangelandQQ]

If you ask Felicia, she will pay but you will miss some points in her route: it's not a good choice if you are pursuing her and - most of all - if you want to raise her "confident" points score (sorry, I don't remember its proper name at the moment).

If you ask Auggie, he will refuse unless he has a very high trust score. We have no clue about the consequences.

If you ask Chuck, he will refuse and you will be redirected to Ian: Ian will pay and you will unlock the Rosalind threesome scene.

Kathleen? that's the choice if you want to go down her sadistic path, but it's a can of worm I would never open. So it wasn't an option for me.

Me? I'm playing 2 different gameplays: a path where Felicia paid, and a path where Ian paid.

If I remember correctly, one of the perks allows you to persuade Kathleen to help Rose for free, although there may be consequences in the future.

 

[Turret]

If you ask Felicia, she will pay but you will miss some points in her route: it's not a good choice if you are pursuing her and - most of all - if you want to raise her "confident" points score (sorry, I don't remember its proper name at the moment).

If you ask Auggie, he will refuse unless he has a very high trust score. We have no clue about the consequences.

If you ask Chuck, he will refuse and you will be redirected to Ian: Ian will pay and you will unlock the Rosalind threesome scene.

Kathleen? that's the choice if you want to go down her sadistic path, but it's a can of worm I would never open. So it wasn't an option for me.

Me? I'm playing 2 different gameplays: a path where Felicia paid, and a path where Ian paid.

Asking Feli is not quite as bad as you make it seem.Most points of the Art exhibition you can still gain. I think you only loose 1 possible Confidence point and you can still max out her relations score. But yes, if pursue Felicia, you should use someone else if you want to gain most confi points.

Actually we have some clues what happens if we ask August! "Just Oliver" makes a very wrong decision, believing August is a man of the past, refusing an offer he cannot refuse. Bad idea! Like Warren said when told us, we should view the news. So Oliver has had either an epic roughing up or is dead. We do not know yet what it is.

Chuck is like you said. Maybe he even does so to get Ian into the situation.

If I remember correctly, one of the perks allows you to persuade Kathleen to help Rose for free, although there may be consequences in the future.

As for Kath, while there is the option to sweettalk her into helping Rosi, you still need a lot of points with her. So you are at least the first steps on a sadistic path to get that far and Kath will use it in the future for sure.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Do you guys think Veronica might be using steroids?

Hopefully not. Otherwise she will look like Foxxy Love from Drawn Together when she took roids.


Sorry for the bad quality. Couldn't find a better pic.

 

[dolfe67]

The program used by the devs doesn't leave much space for subtleties like a big clit or a mustache and since iirc she has average sized boobs I would say no, she doesn't.

I don't know if she uses steroids, but her boobs are pretty big for RL standards. And as boobs are mostly fat, female bodybuilders lose them. So IRL she would have fake boobs

 

[Khan merry]

I don't know if she uses steroids, but her boobs are pretty big for RL standards. And as boobs are mostly fat, female bodybuilders lose them. So IRL she would have fake boobs

she's skipping boob day

 

[alex13_zen]

Do you guys think Veronica might be using steroids?

Steroids are pretty expensive, Veronica definitely couldn't afford them. She also has no need to since she doesn't compete anymore. Lastly, she seems to value a lot being healthy.

Could a woman have that physique IRL? From what I've read, developed deltoids like Veronica's are a known sign of steroid use. Especially for women.

 

[imagica]

I choose both.
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Wow damn, this should be a real threesome scene. Jeez, I am waiting for release date announcement more than for the game itself)

 

[Khan merry]

Going by dialog, Veronica is very much into health training stuff, so unlikely she takes steroids. On the other hand, parts of her muscle packages are rare among women and not all that easy to gain. So it is possible she used them earlier, but recognised that it is not good in the long run.

Yeah, I think this fits the narrative better, especially since one of the points in PC is drug use. Gym bros also often lie about being “natty,” so she might have used them at some point in the past.

 

[UmbralKnight]

lot's of interesting speculations about Veronica's physique

the first and the most obvious question
Is it REALLY possible for a middle aged woman like Veronica to have an amazing body like her ?

quite possible

however is it "natty" ?
probable but very HIGHLY unlikely in real life
but then again most of the characters in this game have features would be considered "too good" IRL
for example Kathleen looks way too good for someone her age.

Veronica is simply too physically perfect to exist IRL.
female body builders/athletes who are as tall and well built as Veronica simply don't have her features naturally or otherwise IRL

BUT

there are 8 billion people living in earth rn so statistically somewhere someone out there has the potential to become someone like Veronica with the right genes,money,time and effort.

highly unlikely but possible statistically speaking.

but if we forget about all that stuff and view this purely from ingame perspective it gets interesting

while she appears to be atleast somewhat health conscious when talking to the MC about her clients who don't even eat proper and healthy food
but that doesn't mean she was always "clean" maybe she is speaking from her own experience as a former athlete as why it's important to remain "clean"

remember her golden rule ?

"Easy/Fast/Hard/Good" - you can only pick 2

she could have chosen the "Good/Hard" path to try becoming a top athlete or maybe she chose the "Easy/Fast" route to become an Olympian (personally I don't think she chose this path) but who can say her coach/trainer didn't play a part ?

maybe she was intentionally misled by her coach and tricked into taking drugs
after all even IRL olympic athletes regularly get caught doping
and let's be honest Veronica isn't exactly the most brightest or intelligent person even as a middle aged woman.

she would have been very impressionable at that age especially if it's someone whom she trusts like her coach ,tells her to take some experimental "supplements" or something like that she would have believed her coach and wouldn't have hesitated taking something she shouldn't have

if I had to guess what she kind of drug she took
I would say HGH while steroids are commonly used HGH use amongst even IRL athletes wasn't detected easily for a long time
HGH use would not only give her an almost nearly impossibly unattainable physique
but it would also answer another plotpoint - her pregnancy problem

lot's of IRL female athletes/body builders face this issue too
even if they are "natty" some of them have trouble getting pregnant because they have more Testosterone than the average women and if they take drugs that alter their hormone levels say something like steroids or HGH it could cause permanent infertility too

this would explain why she and her wife had problems with having children



but honestly this is theory is way too depressive
Veronica is already going through a lot and her getting duped by her coach and becoming infertile because of drug use would be way too messed up and sadistic


but then again it's just a game and if we couldall believe that her ingame boobs are natural
which are nearly impossible for IRL female bodybuilders btw then maybe we could also believe and hope that her supposed "problems" with pregnancy are purely a domestic issue between her and her partner rather than infertility caused by too much testosterone
which is sad and cruel even if it's far more plausible and probable cause IRL

 

[misfolk]

Do you guys think Veronica might be using steroids?

She's not super muscular. Here's what Natalie Hays looks off-season and she's reportedly natty:

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Veronica has larger tits, but she also has less muscle definition. She also has a very girly face. While both can be explained as HoneySelect limitations, let's call Vera a gifted natty that could've competed at bikini or fitness levels of natural bodybuilding competitions.

 

[nalgonas4ever]

If you are lactose intolerant, you can either use lactase powder to help your stomach or use milk products with low lactose content like hard cheeses, quark or yoghurt, the fermentation lowers lactose levels enough for those without the Thymin 13910 mutation, which gave us lactase persistence. This is the most broadly spread lactase persistence mutation, there 3-4 others but not with thie same frequency as the LCT-13910T one. Most of us Central and Northern Europeans carry this gene.

Thanks dude, I'll try those out!

I don't know if she uses steroids, but her boobs are pretty big for RL standards. And as boobs are mostly fat, female bodybuilders lose them. So IRL she would have fake boobs

IRL yes, but I was thinking in the realms of HS, but if we go IRL it's an 80% boob job and the other 20% are genetics with hopes and dreams.

lot's of interesting speculations about Veronica's physique

the first and the most obvious question
Is it REALLY possible for a middle aged woman like Veronica to have an amazing body like her ?

quite possible

however is it "natty" ?
probable but very HIGHLY unlikely in real life
but then again most of the characters in this game have features would be considered "too good" IRL
for example Kathleen looks way too good for someone her age.

Veronica is simply too physically perfect to exist IRL.
female body builders/athletes who are as tall and well built as Veronica simply don't have her features naturally or otherwise IRL

BUT

there are 8 billion people living in earth rn so statistically somewhere someone out there has the potential to become someone like Veronica with the right genes,money,time and effort.

highly unlikely but possible statistically speaking.

but if we forget about all that stuff and view this purely from ingame perspective it gets interesting

while she appears to be atleast somewhat health conscious when talking to the MC about her clients who don't even eat proper and healthy food
but that doesn't mean she was always "clean" maybe she is speaking from her own experience as a former athlete as why it's important to remain "clean"

remember her golden rule ?

"Easy/Fast/Hard/Good" - you can only pick 2

she could have chosen the "Good/Hard" path to try becoming a top athlete or maybe she chose the "Easy/Fast" route to become an Olympian (personally I don't think she chose this path) but who can say her coach/trainer didn't play a part ?

maybe she was intentionally misled by her coach and tricked into taking drugs
after all even IRL olympic athletes regularly get caught doping
and let's be honest Veronica isn't exactly the most brightest or intelligent person even as a middle aged woman.

she would have been very impressionable at that age especially if it's someone whom she trusts like her coach ,tells her to take some experimental "supplements" or something like that she would have believed her coach and wouldn't have hesitated taking something she shouldn't have

if I had to guess what she kind of drug she took
I would say HGH while steroids are commonly used HGH use amongst even IRL athletes wasn't detected easily for a long time
HGH use would not only give her an almost nearly impossibly unattainable physique
but it would also answer another plotpoint - her pregnancy problem

lot's of IRL female athletes/body builders face this issue too
even if they are "natty" some of them have trouble getting pregnant because they have more Testosterone than the average women and if they take drugs that alter their hormone levels say something like steroids or HGH it could cause permanent infertility too

this would explain why she and her wife had problems with having children



but honestly this is theory is way too depressive
Veronica is already going through a lot and her getting duped by her coach and becoming infertile because of drug use would be way too messed up and sadistic


but then again it's just a game and if we couldall believe that her ingame boobs are natural
which are nearly impossible for IRL female bodybuilders btw then maybe we could also believe and hope that her supposed "problems" with pregnancy are purely a domestic issue between her and her partner rather than infertility caused by too much testosterone
which is sad and cruel even if it's far more plausible and probable cause IRL

Totally dude, it makes me sad to think of her like that but IRL makes sense, I want to believe it's her genetics and her mother/grandma looked like a ginger cow.