broxitar

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I really want to rescue Dahlia. It was hard seeing her do all those things for me at the "welcome" event, especially after she said how long she'd been "in this line of work." 15 years, wasn't it? That was...horrifying. She's not that old, so she must've been underage when she "got into it"...or was trafficked in. I wanted to steal her away and keep her to myself during the event, to protect her like she protected me. I felt bad for all the girls, but Dahlia...it was hard.
 
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15 years, wasn't it? That was...horrifying. She's not that old, so she must've been underage when she "got into it"...or was trafficked in.
IIRC Dahlia is stated to be something like 34-36 on the game's profiles page, so that'd mean she got into this business when she was 19-20. Which is young for sure but not exactly underage.
 

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IIRC Dahlia is stated to be something like 34-36 on the game's profiles page, so that'd mean she got into this business when she was 19-20. Which is young for sure but not exactly underage.
Thanks. That's...something of a relief. Not much of one, given her circumstances, but still.
 
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Are we sure that all the house girls were forced to work at the carnation club? Kimber was desperate that her shifts would be cut, Dahlia and Harper had been in business for more than 10 years, Andrea was on loan, and some of the girls even got pregnant at work.
The club is a terrible place, of course, but it's unlikely that EVERYONE is there against their will. I mean, all carnations participate in the exhibition voluntarily (technically). It would be very ironic (in a bad way) if the house girls could eventually leave the club, but the carnations would remain on the hook even after the exhibition , like Alisson
 

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Are we sure that all the house girls were forced to work at the carnation club? Kimber was desperate that her shifts would be cut, Dahlia and Harper had been in business for more than 10 years, Andrea was on loan, and some of the girls even got pregnant at work.
The club is a terrible place, of course, but it's unlikely that EVERYONE is there against their will. I mean, all carnations participate in the exhibition voluntarily (technically). It would be very ironic (in a bad way) if the house girls could eventually leave the club, but the carnations would remain on the hook even after the exhibition , like Alisson
Hi!
The irony you mentioned is quite the case. House girls fall into August´s area, who views this as a business and runs it like one. Girls who left normally are mentioned in passing several times, it is also implied that most girls make serious money even with August´s profits counted out. We even see some "ranks" among the House girls with Dalia at the top, with Harper and Andrea(!) not so far away from her. Andrea uses August´s nickname with his knowledge, it is highly doubtful with what we know about him, that he would allow this to just anyone.
Carnations on the other hand fall into Kath´s area and she does not let them really leave. TD hinted at this quite early, stumbled over such a hint when I started a fresh playthrough here.
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Are we sure that all the house girls were forced to work at the carnation club? Kimber was desperate that her shifts would be cut, Dahlia and Harper had been in business for more than 10 years, Andrea was on loan, and some of the girls even got pregnant at work.
The club is a terrible place, of course, but it's unlikely that EVERYONE is there against their will. I mean, all carnations participate in the exhibition voluntarily (technically). It would be very ironic (in a bad way) if the house girls could eventually leave the club, but the carnations would remain on the hook even after the exhibition , like Alisson
Forced is a tricky word in the context of this game. AFAWK, the house girls - just like the Carnations - are working voluntarily; they can theoretically quit at any time.

The issue is that there's a reason they are working there in the first place. For some (like Andrea), it may just be a job that pays well and has good perks so there's no reason to quit. But for others (Nicolette most clearly), working at the Club is evidently a way to settle existing debts, so quitting early would have dire consequences even if said consequences didn't come directly from the Club itself. I suspect that there are more girls in the latter camp than the former, and you could argue they are being "forced" in a loose sense of the word. But even they can eventually leave if they pay off their debt, and I definitely don't think all of them are forced, even in the loose sense.

IMHO, Allison is a bit of a special case. She's effectively in the former camp, but she's more of a freelancer since she has a lot of options open to her if she wanted to walk away. However, turning down ongoing 'offers' from the Club not only runs the risk of terminating her new career early, it will also deny her potentially lucrative options in the future, too. So I suspect she's relatively willing to answer Kathleen's summons in return for suitable compensation.
 

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Are we sure that all the house girls were forced to work at the carnation club? Kimber was desperate that her shifts would be cut, Dahlia and Harper had been in business for more than 10 years, Andrea was on loan, and some of the girls even got pregnant at work.
The club is a terrible place, of course, but it's unlikely that EVERYONE is there against their will. I mean, all carnations participate in the exhibition voluntarily (technically). It would be very ironic (in a bad way) if the house girls could eventually leave the club, but the carnations would remain on the hook even after the exhibition , like Alisson
Forced is a tricky word in the context of this game. AFAWK, the house girls - just like the Carnations - are working voluntarily; they can theoretically quit at any time.

The issue is that there's a reason they are working there in the first place. For some (like Andrea), it may just be a job that pays well and has good perks so there's no reason to quit. But for others (Nicolette most clearly), working at the Club is evidently a way to settle existing debts, so quitting early would have dire consequences even if said consequences didn't come directly from the Club itself. I suspect that there are more girls in the latter camp than the former, and you could argue they are being "forced" in a loose sense of the word. But even they can eventually leave if they pay off their debt, and I definitely don't think all of them are forced, even in the loose sense.

IMHO, Allison is a bit of a special case. She's effectively in the former camp, but she's more of a freelancer since she has a lot of options open to her if she wanted to walk away. However, turning down ongoing 'offers' from the Club not only runs the risk of terminating her new career early, it will also deny her potentially lucrative options in the future, too. So I suspect she's relatively willing to answer Kathleen's summons in return for suitable compensation.
Didn't you notice what Kathleen says about Rosalind's debt in this last update? what happened to the loan shark? what the club members tell about Elias being the next major? what Kath and Chuck imply about the club's endorsement? what Hana tells August about it? what Hana and Edwin realise about Allison being there even though she won the exhibition?

You'd better not owe the club,

you'd better not cross your path with them,

you'd better not know they exist,

you'd better not deal with them,

and most of all you'd better not be a carnation because they will own you forever: in this update Hana realised it, Edwin realised it and Elias realised it as well - this is why he tells Felicia that she'd better win the exhibition.
 

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i just finished the newest update and hooo boy, now i learned what a 100% sadism looks like. I enjoyed fcking Elias' wife to his back but what Kathleen did, i can't even explain, i feel bad for Felicia and especially Elias because he is actually a decent old guy compared to other old guys in the club. Makes me want to puke and I'm now scared on what Edwin got involved into cause it's obviously deeper than what we see and after this update, there's no escape for him unless the government get involved and bust this club. No wonder Darius ran off, i bet the story they made about him falling in love with the house girls that's why he ran off is actually not real, I can't trust these people anymore
 
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