VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

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Lets do Sophia fans a solid and not bring up the horny perfume drug that degrades ones ability to make sound judgement calls and therefore consent on sexual activities.

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Here you go again attacking my man Turret

 

[ruby_rubicon]

(...) I think a lot of people overthink this stuff too much, at the end of the day it's just a game, (. ..) I really don't think it's that big of a deal, at least for me.

Exactly, to *you*.

To them, characters we've grown to appreciate in their humanity, may be a big deal. I'm not saying (forced?) prostitution wasn't written on the walls, I'm saying that we'd be delusional if we think them getting banged by every nasty patron will not affect our heroines' minds.

As I've said before "It will end in tears."

 

[dexterousgecko]

I would be surprised if the dev doesn't allow some sort of happy ending, or at least frame it that way for all 3 women. Could be wrong though.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Dev Diary 107

Hello all, TD here, cramming one last dev diary into the calendar year 2025.

Ch4Up7 is ending the year with 572 statics, 31 animations, and 10,587 words.

That works out to 137 statics, 5 animations, and 2,419 words over the past two weeks.

So… as it tends to happen when the new year rolls around, I’ve been thinking about the past recently.

Somewhere in July of 2019, I started work on Pale Carnations as you don’t quite know it. It was yet another project in a series of comics and visual novels, iterating on some past characters I had used in an older work. Save for one comic that I abandoned after like half a year of uploading, I never did anything with these short lived excursions. They were basically masturbation in every sense of the word. A tool for me to scratch a creative itch and make my own smut, before discarding them and moving onto a new thing. I think part of me wanting something to stick, but keeping them mainly to a very small group of friendly (safe) eyes, nothing ever came out of any of them. By the way, the image above is from the 2nd iteration of Pale Carnations when it was just a little comic I was making.

That was, until, September 23rd 2019 at 8:12 PM.

I shared with GIL a prototype build of Pale Carnations, the visual novel Not because I was fishing for help, but simply because I had shared all my other failures with him. By this point we had known each other for a little over two years and he was the reason I wanted to explore my creative itch in the first place. GIL made a comic called Club Casting Series and shared it on the now defunct Hongfire, a website for eroge and other porn games. I thought it was so cool that someone took a little poser packaged with an Illusion Software title and did something transformative with it – and I wanted to do it too.

Anyway, I showed GIL Pale Carnations. Maybe it was because of my perfect artistic vision (ha), maybe it was because he was coming off a slump of his own, having lost interest in a comic he poured countless hours into. Either way, he was far more into it than I expected. Somehow or another, and I don’t remember who proposed it (I could check, the history is all on discord), he wanted in and I lucked into working with an amazing artist.

That was when Pale Carnations became more than just me. That was when it started to grow legs.

For the next six or so months, we worked on what we called the prologue. Basically, everything up to when it is revealed Felicia is a Carnation. During that time, as we moved toward that stopping point for us to finally share our work with the world, I lacked confidence. I was apprehensive to the extent I drug my feet getting the final build ready. I made changes, I reverted changes, I took my sweet fucking time to the point GIL was getting worried.

This goes back to why I never did anything with my various projects in the first place. Sharing things you pour yourself into is scary. Hell, I was reticent to even have a Patreon, as the thought of taking money for my work seemed silly.

But it wasn’t my work, it was *our* work. I couldn’t just throw away the efforts another person had invested themselves into it. So, on April 17 2020, Pale Carnations released on F95 – and, thanks to the cretins on there and the support we found on this site, that’s when it started running.

Pale Carnations wasn’t our project, it was now *your* project. More than just us, you had invested yourselves into the project. Not only did it become something we felt we were obliged to finish, but also something we wanted to finish.

The small community that has built up around our silly porn game has given us many things: we have met so many nice people, had wonderful conversations, and we have found a little bit of purpose in our lives thanks to you all.

So, yeah… next April Pale Carnations will turn six years old. A project with 29,000 images, 827 animations, and roughly 708,000 words. A project that outlived my father, a project that has given me a best friend, and a project that has become an anchor point to hitch my happiness on.

I know we live in scary times, but it is my New Year’s wish that you all find and keep safe “your thing”, whatever that may be.

Thank you GIL.
Thank you *all*.
Be safe and happy news years!
Lots of love.

 

[ename144]

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Dev Diary 107

Hello all, TD here, cramming one last dev diary into the calendar year 2025.

Ch4Up7 is ending the year with 572 statics, 31 animations, and 10,587 words.

That works out to 137 statics, 5 animations, and 2,419 words over the past two weeks.

So… as it tends to happen when the new year rolls around, I’ve been thinking about the past recently.

Somewhere in July of 2019, I started work on Pale Carnations as you don’t quite know it. It was yet another project in a series of comics and visual novels, iterating on some past characters I had used in an older work. Save for one comic that I abandoned after like half a year of uploading, I never did anything with these short lived excursions. They were basically masturbation in every sense of the word. A tool for me to scratch a creative itch and make my own smut, before discarding them and moving onto a new thing. I think part of me wanting something to stick, but keeping them mainly to a very small group of friendly (safe) eyes, nothing ever came out of any of them. By the way, the image above is from the 2nd iteration of Pale Carnations when it was just a little comic I was making.

That was, until, September 23rd 2019 at 8:12 PM.

I shared with GIL a prototype build of Pale Carnations, the visual novel Not because I was fishing for help, but simply because I had shared all my other failures with him. By this point we had known each other for a little over two years and he was the reason I wanted to explore my creative itch in the first place. GIL made a comic called Club Casting Series and shared it on the now defunct Hongfire, a website for eroge and other porn games. I thought it was so cool that someone took a little poser packaged with an Illusion Software title and did something transformative with it – and I wanted to do it too.

Anyway, I showed GIL Pale Carnations. Maybe it was because of my perfect artistic vision (ha), maybe it was because he was coming off a slump of his own, having lost interest in a comic he poured countless hours into. Either way, he was far more into it than I expected. Somehow or another, and I don’t remember who proposed it (I could check, the history is all on discord), he wanted in and I lucked into working with an amazing artist.

That was when Pale Carnations became more than just me. That was when it started to grow legs.

For the next six or so months, we worked on what we called the prologue. Basically, everything up to when it is revealed Felicia is a Carnation. During that time, as we moved toward that stopping point for us to finally share our work with the world, I lacked confidence. I was apprehensive to the extent I drug my feet getting the final build ready. I made changes, I reverted changes, I took my sweet fucking time to the point GIL was getting worried.

This goes back to why I never did anything with my various projects in the first place. Sharing things you pour yourself into is scary. Hell, I was reticent to even have a Patreon, as the thought of taking money for my work seemed silly.

But it wasn’t my work, it was *our* work. I couldn’t just throw away the efforts another person had invested themselves into it. So, on April 17 2020, Pale Carnations released on F95 – and, thanks to the cretins on there and the support we found on this site, that’s when it started running.

Pale Carnations wasn’t our project, it was now *your* project. More than just us, you had invested yourselves into the project. Not only did it become something we felt we were obliged to finish, but also something we wanted to finish.

The small community that has built up around our silly porn game has given us many things: we have met so many nice people, had wonderful conversations, and we have found a little bit of purpose in our lives thanks to you all.

So, yeah… next April Pale Carnations will turn six years old. A project with 29,000 images, 827 animations, and roughly 708,000 words. A project that outlived my father, a project that has given me a best friend, and a project that has become an anchor point to hitch my happiness on.

I know we live in scary times, but it is my New Year’s wish that you all find and keep safe “your thing”, whatever that may be.

Thank you GIL.
Thank you *all*.
Be safe and happy news years!
Lots of love.

This *is* the time of year for reflection, but let's run the numbers first anyway! TD and GIL have been working at a rate of roughly 68.5 static images, 2.5 animations, and 1210 words per week over the 14 days since the previous dev diary. Overall, they are now averaging 54.1 statics, 2.9 animations, and 1001 words per week since the presumed start of work on Chapter 4 Update 7. Here are the charts for Week 11:

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I already made my extremely wild guess about when the update might be finished last week. This diary doesn't do much to fill in the major unknowns, so there's not much reason to speculate further.

So instead I'll just say that I'm thrilled TD and GIL decided to share their game with the rest of us. I suppose it's a shame their previous projects didn't pan out, but in the end I'd say it's all worked out for the best. This version of Pale Carnations has been a fantastic ride so far (easily my favorite game on this site), and I look forward to the next update whenever it arrives. I hope working on PC in 2026 will be as rewarding for you guys as it has been for us to play it!

 

[nalgonas4ever]

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Dev Diary 107

Hello all, TD here, cramming one last dev diary into the calendar year 2025.

Ch4Up7 is ending the year with 572 statics, 31 animations, and 10,587 words.

That works out to 137 statics, 5 animations, and 2,419 words over the past two weeks.

So… as it tends to happen when the new year rolls around, I’ve been thinking about the past recently.

Somewhere in July of 2019, I started work on Pale Carnations as you don’t quite know it. It was yet another project in a series of comics and visual novels, iterating on some past characters I had used in an older work. Save for one comic that I abandoned after like half a year of uploading, I never did anything with these short lived excursions. They were basically masturbation in every sense of the word. A tool for me to scratch a creative itch and make my own smut, before discarding them and moving onto a new thing. I think part of me wanting something to stick, but keeping them mainly to a very small group of friendly (safe) eyes, nothing ever came out of any of them. By the way, the image above is from the 2nd iteration of Pale Carnations when it was just a little comic I was making.

That was, until, September 23rd 2019 at 8:12 PM.

I shared with GIL a prototype build of Pale Carnations, the visual novel Not because I was fishing for help, but simply because I had shared all my other failures with him. By this point we had known each other for a little over two years and he was the reason I wanted to explore my creative itch in the first place. GIL made a comic called Club Casting Series and shared it on the now defunct Hongfire, a website for eroge and other porn games. I thought it was so cool that someone took a little poser packaged with an Illusion Software title and did something transformative with it – and I wanted to do it too.

Anyway, I showed GIL Pale Carnations. Maybe it was because of my perfect artistic vision (ha), maybe it was because he was coming off a slump of his own, having lost interest in a comic he poured countless hours into. Either way, he was far more into it than I expected. Somehow or another, and I don’t remember who proposed it (I could check, the history is all on discord), he wanted in and I lucked into working with an amazing artist.

That was when Pale Carnations became more than just me. That was when it started to grow legs.

For the next six or so months, we worked on what we called the prologue. Basically, everything up to when it is revealed Felicia is a Carnation. During that time, as we moved toward that stopping point for us to finally share our work with the world, I lacked confidence. I was apprehensive to the extent I drug my feet getting the final build ready. I made changes, I reverted changes, I took my sweet fucking time to the point GIL was getting worried.

This goes back to why I never did anything with my various projects in the first place. Sharing things you pour yourself into is scary. Hell, I was reticent to even have a Patreon, as the thought of taking money for my work seemed silly.

But it wasn’t my work, it was *our* work. I couldn’t just throw away the efforts another person had invested themselves into it. So, on April 17 2020, Pale Carnations released on F95 – and, thanks to the cretins on there and the support we found on this site, that’s when it started running.

Pale Carnations wasn’t our project, it was now *your* project. More than just us, you had invested yourselves into the project. Not only did it become something we felt we were obliged to finish, but also something we wanted to finish.

The small community that has built up around our silly porn game has given us many things: we have met so many nice people, had wonderful conversations, and we have found a little bit of purpose in our lives thanks to you all.

So, yeah… next April Pale Carnations will turn six years old. A project with 29,000 images, 827 animations, and roughly 708,000 words. A project that outlived my father, a project that has given me a best friend, and a project that has become an anchor point to hitch my happiness on.

I know we live in scary times, but it is my New Year’s wish that you all find and keep safe “your thing”, whatever that may be.

Thank you GIL.
Thank you *all*.
Be safe and happy news years!
Lots of love.

Is that image the first draft of Pale Carnations? It looks sick and also kind of weird, it's awesome how much this game has evolved, thanks for all the hard work GIL and TD!

 

[Turret]

So instead I'll just say that I'm thrilled TD and GIL decided to share their game with the rest of us. I suppose it's a shame their previous projects didn't pan out, but in the end I'd say it's all worked out for the best. This version of Pale Carnations has been a fantastic ride so far (easily my favorite game on this site), and I look forward to the next update whenever it arrives. I hope working on PC in 2026 will be as rewarding for you guys as it has been for us to play it!

Very much so!

TD1900 and GIL3D !
While I can speak only for myself, I am very glad that you published "Pale Carnations"! It is a lighthouse AVN here on F95 and will stand the test of Time, even in it´s currently uncompleted status, this is already clear. Writing, artwork is on a level rarely seen in erotic games and it resonates with us. Just look at our passionate fan discussions here in the thread.
It also pushed your creative energy to new levels, if I am correct in supposing the picture in the dev diary is from the very first draft of the game. And who knows, maybe the projects and ideas which came before and gave birth to Pale Carnations might be worth visitng anew, with a fresh perspective, once PC is finished. But that is music of the future.

Thank you TD and GIL for making this game and thank you to all fans of the game here and elsewhere, the discussions surrounding the game are also a ride! Hope you all are well and that a good 2026 is coming in!

 

[Turret]

Here you go again attacking my man Turret

Hi and thanks for your continuing support!

 

[vall6269]

Hey, I'm a bit rusty and I don't plan on replaying for a bit but I remember in a recent update (not the last one) we had a scene with the MC's mom going back to porn? Is that right, or was it also a flashback?
If it's right, is she really getting back into it for the love of the game or was there a reason I just forgot?

 

[Ottoeight]

Hey, I'm a bit rusty and I don't plan on replaying for a bit but I remember in a recent update (not the last one) we had a scene with the MC's mom going back to porn? Is that right, or was it also a flashback?
If it's right, is she really getting back into it for the love of the game or was there a reason I just forgot?

No, it's wrong. It is, of course, a flashback.

(Not) nice try, anyway.

 

[vall6269]

(Not) nice try, anyway.

Touch some grass dude. Not everyone on this thread is 24/7 trying to "bait" for anything, I haven't played the game in probably a year, and I was genuinely asking as it's the last scene I recall playing

 

[Ottoeight]

Touch some grass dude. Not everyone on this thread is 24/7 trying to "bait" for anything, I haven't played the game in probably a year, and I was genuinely asking as it's the last scene I recall playing

I touched it, and I loved it.

You genuinely asked and I genuinely answered.

Is that image the first draft of Pale Carnations? It looks sick and also kind of weird, it's awesome how much this game has evolved, thanks for all the hard work GIL and TD!

"the image above is from the 2nd iteration of Pale Carnations when it was just a little comic I was making", he wrote.

 

[ShiroGato]

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Dev Diary 107

Hello all, TD here, cramming one last dev diary into the calendar year 2025.

Ch4Up7 is ending the year with 572 statics, 31 animations, and 10,587 words.

That works out to 137 statics, 5 animations, and 2,419 words over the past two weeks.

So… as it tends to happen when the new year rolls around, I’ve been thinking about the past recently.

Somewhere in July of 2019, I started work on Pale Carnations as you don’t quite know it. It was yet another project in a series of comics and visual novels, iterating on some past characters I had used in an older work. Save for one comic that I abandoned after like half a year of uploading, I never did anything with these short lived excursions. They were basically masturbation in every sense of the word. A tool for me to scratch a creative itch and make my own smut, before discarding them and moving onto a new thing. I think part of me wanting something to stick, but keeping them mainly to a very small group of friendly (safe) eyes, nothing ever came out of any of them. By the way, the image above is from the 2nd iteration of Pale Carnations when it was just a little comic I was making.

That was, until, September 23rd 2019 at 8:12 PM.

I shared with GIL a prototype build of Pale Carnations, the visual novel. Not because I was fishing for help, but simply because I had shared all my other failures with him. By this point we had known each other for a little over two years and he was the reason I wanted to explore my creative itch in the first place. GIL made a comic called Club Casting Series and shared it on the now defunct Hongfire, a website for eroge and other porn games. I thought it was so cool that someone took a little poser packaged with an Illusion Software title and did something transformative with it – and I wanted to do it too.

Anyway, I showed GIL Pale Carnations. Maybe it was because of my perfect artistic vision (ha), maybe it was because he was coming off a slump of his own, having lost interest in a comic he poured countless hours into. Either way, he was far more into it than I expected. Somehow or another, and I don’t remember who proposed it (I could check, the history is all on discord), he wanted in and I lucked into working with an amazing artist.

That was when Pale Carnations became more than just me. That was when it started to grow legs.

For the next six or so months, we worked on what we called the prologue. Basically, everything up to when it is revealed Felicia is a Carnation. During that time, as we moved toward that stopping point for us to finally share our work with the world, I lacked confidence. I was apprehensive to the extent I drug my feet getting the final build ready. I made changes, I reverted changes, I took my sweet fucking time to the point GIL was getting worried.

This goes back to why I never did anything with my various projects in the first place. Sharing things you pour yourself into is scary. Hell, I was reticent to even have a Patreon, as the thought of taking money for my work seemed silly.

But it wasn’t my work, it was *our* work. I couldn’t just throw away the efforts another person had invested themselves into it. So, on April 17 2020, Pale Carnations released on F95 – and, thanks to the cretins on there and the support we found on this site, that’s when it started running.

Pale Carnations wasn’t our project, it was now *your* project. More than just us, you had invested yourselves into the project. Not only did it become something we felt we were obliged to finish, but also something we wanted to finish.

The small community that has built up around our silly porn game has given us many things: we have met so many nice people, had wonderful conversations, and we have found a little bit of purpose in our lives thanks to you all.

So, yeah… next April Pale Carnations will turn six years old. A project with 29,000 images, 827 animations, and roughly 708,000 words. A project that outlived my father, a project that has given me a best friend, and a project that has become an anchor point to hitch my happiness on.

I know we live in scary times, but it is my New Year’s wish that you all find and keep safe “your thing”, whatever that may be.

Thank you GIL.
Thank you *all*.
Be safe and happy news years!
Lots of love.

I truly appreciate these little nuggets of insight into TD and GIL's creative process. Too often we only see the fruits of success and we don't see the long, winding road it took to get there.

In the pic above, we can see the previous (in)Carnations (from left to right) of what is presumably Grace, Felicia, Victoria, and Vincenzo. CCS also has the original makings of Hana, Mina, and possibly even a glimpse of Kat. GIL's attention to detail in facial expressions has been apparent then as it is now in his work. Despite not finding the artistic fulfillment they wanted in their early works, it still laid the foundation for what Pale Carnations would eventually become. Together, they have created something special.

It is clear from the devs' consistent updates and engagement with the community that they have truly cared about their work from inception, and continue to reward us fans with this wonderful and unique experience in Pale Carnations.

So thanks, TD and GIL for allowing us to partake and engage in your labor of love and art. I wish you both a happy new years and look forward to what 2026 will has in store!

 

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In the pic above, we can see the previous (in)Carnations (from left to right) of what is presumably Grace, Felicia, Victoria, and Vincenzo. CCS also has the original makings of Hana, Mina, and possibly even a glimpse of Kat. GIL's attention to detail in facial expressions has been apparent then as it is now in his work. Despite not finding the artistic fulfillment they wanted in their early works, it still laid the foundation for what Pale Carnations would eventually become. Together, they have created something special.

Where can I see this???

 

[Flojerazul20]

I agree. Just look at these cuties!

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[Discrepancy]

I would be surprised if the dev doesn't allow some sort of happy ending, or at least frame it that way for all 3 women. Could be wrong though.

I would be surprised if said happy ending will satisfy the players looking for a happy ending.
I think it will be mostly bitter sweet endings at best, like for the carnations if a happy ending is having their debts resolved and be freed from the club I can see that, but I doubt they would had that experience in the club and remain unscathed.
And maybe the happiness from some of them might be found on the club, and become house girls

 

[DETROIT123_io]

Guys has anyone thinks the new rosalind scene from the begining of the game is a downgrade ? The tit slapping is gone and the throatfucking was so rough back then . Why did they soften it ? Also her tits was bigger

 

[nalgonas4ever]

I would be surprised if said happy ending will satisfy the players looking for a happy ending.
I think it will be mostly bitter sweet endings at best, like for the carnations if a happy ending is having their debts resolved and be freed from the club I can see that, but I doubt they would had that experience in the club and remain unscathed.
And maybe the happiness from some of them might be found on the club, and become house girls

NOO!!! I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE!!! THE HAPPY ENDING IS REAL!!!!

 

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NOO!!! I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE!!! THE HAPPY ENDING IS REAL!!!!

If you had to chose:1)anal with your favorite girl in the game; 2)happy ending
Which one would you chose?

 

[ffive]

If you had to chose:1)anal with your favorite girl in the game; 2)happy ending
Which one would you chose?

What if anal with the favorite girl is the happy ending.