VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[shroomify]

I need some new info about the update or the update itself
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Somebody jones-in' need a fix man? hahaha

 

[khumak]

I don't think Eternum or Ripples "exists" in Pale Carnations or the other way around, they just references, cameos or friendly nods to fellow devs.

I've seen a few other games reference each other somtimes. Chasing Sunsets references Eternum for instance. Even has a few screenshots or approximations of them from the actual game.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

I was like 75% sure this was going to be the hot dog fingers from Everything Everywhere All At Once.

This is better.

I watched the movie but I don´t even remember what that is.

 

[Discrepancy]

I've seen a few other games reference each other somtimes. Chasing Sunsets references Eternum for instance. Even has a few screenshots or approximations of them from the actual game.

Didn't know about the Eternum Reference in Chasing Sunsets, but Jaye appears on Leap of Faith, and the MC of that game appears too on chasing sunsets maybe? not sure about this one.
And yeah for me those are references or friendly nods to other games/devs, isn't like they on the same universe or something

 

[ruby_rubicon]

I watched the movie but I don´t even remember what that is.

In one of the realities, all humans have sausage fingers.

Great movie.

 

[ename144]

Well, if are discussing "ET" handshoes now, it seems pretty clear that we need some storyline "goodies" to talk about. Like some hints about what can happen in the next update. Currently the previews we have so far are relatively cryptic or obscure. What we can guess close to knowing is that this "game weekend" is harsh. Felicia was already hit hard and the pic of our hero and Rosi in the lift cabin says enough that whatever happened to her was also really hard.

I get the impression there isn't going to be a lot of story in the next update, at least not the way we're used to. We got the bulk of the story already, now we're going to focus on the mechanisms of Kathleen's circus. So expect lots of lewd spectacle and tight character focus to see how the players respond. I do think there will likely be some significant dramatic beats towards the end of the evening, but a) TD might not want to spoil them in previews, and b) none of them have been created yet.

Of course, this is complete speculation on my part. We'll just have to see what shakes out.

 

[dolfe67]

Didn't know about the Eternum Reference in Chasing Sunsets, but Jaye appears on Leap of Faith, and the MC of that game appears too on chasing sunsets maybe? not sure about this one.
And yeah for me those are references or friendly nods to other games/devs, isn't like they on the same universe or something

Yeah I'm not sure there is an eternum reference in chasing sunset, but maybe just a mention. However there are crossovers with seeing actual characters between chasing sunset, summer scent, leap of faith and artemis (all games in DAZ contrary to eternum in HS2). But just little scenes as friendly nods as you said.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

In one of the realities, all humans have sausage fingers.

Great movie.

I have to watch it again eventually. I agree, the movie is great.

 

[UmbralKnight]

I get the impression there isn't going to be a lot of story in the next update, at least not the way we're used to. We got the bulk of the story already, now we're going to focus on the mechanisms of Kathleen's circus. So expect lots of lewd spectacle and tight character focus to see how the players respond. I do think there will likely be some significant dramatic beats towards the end of the evening, but a) TD might not want to spoil them in previews, and b) none of them have been created yet.

Of course, this is complete speculation on my part. We'll just have to see what shakes out.

idk if you ask me given how the last update ended we could potentially see a lot of drama this update
everyone was waiting for the ball to finally drop and it did and we finally see how crazy kathleen is
unlike previous games where MC was pretty concerned with helping the girls during the games given his situation with vicky and grace
I don't think he would be too focused on what's going on , ian too would be a bit distracted
this means the girls might not have much help from their "friendly" helpers this time
and they probably will have to fight eachother for real this time

even if both ian and MC get benched by kathleen during the games to prevent them from helping the girls during the games
they could still talk with some of the patrons during the games and gather some information

all of this is before of the night ends
who knows how the story goes after that

so yeah i think we might get to make few important story decisions this update too

 

[Ozymandias037]

I watched the movie but I don´t even remember what that is.

In one of the realities, all humans have sausage fingers.

Great movie.

It really is a great movie. And very hard to describe in a way that does it justice. I think everyone should see it regardless of what kind of movies one likes.

Also:

Spoiler: Hot dog fingers

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[Turret]

I get the impression there isn't going to be a lot of story in the next update, at least not the way we're used to. We got the bulk of the story already, now we're going to focus on the mechanisms of Kathleen's circus. So expect lots of lewd spectacle and tight character focus to see how the players respond. I do think there will likely be some significant dramatic beats towards the end of the evening, but a) TD might not want to spoil them in previews, and b) none of them have been created yet.

Of course, this is complete speculation on my part. We'll just have to see what shakes out.

I agree with you insofar that the majority of the update storyline we got with part 1. I estimate that the "game evening" and the direct aftermath include some important choices to be done. I theorise how we treat Feli and Elias will be impactful, since we have our Feli and now even Elias score to take care off. Also how we react to the deeds of the evening in relation to the club leadership. Kath and Chuck revel in the shit show of their own making, August is far from being amused. Hana will also be a point to think about, no matter if we are FwB or in a relationship.
Then there is the Ian "crisis" and how to deal with Grace. While this will not happen directly afterwards, I think we will at least pave the general "roadmap" of it.
Further for those of us who went for Sophia, I am rather sure a meeting date in the coming week will be made and maybe a bit more stuff still in the update. Given she and Abel have their own plans and very sizeable power, this will become important for any player wanting to get rid of Kath and Chuck.
Also those of us who went for Allison will most probably be "introduced" deeper into the den of sin that is Kath and Chuck´s brainchild.

 

[ShiroGato]

I do think there will likely be some significant dramatic beats towards the end of the evening, but a) TD might not want to spoil them in previews, and b) none of them have been created yet.

The only thing that I am remotely confident about is that the night will not end without a hitch.

TD has teased about this in Dev Diary 106 (lewd!) and from a dramatic structure, this would be the logical end of Act 2, where something happens that makes us go oh shit oh shit oh shit and likely be the nadir for our MC and/or carnations. That means I think it is unlikely we will be able to end the night retreating into the comfort of a companion, and more so figure out how to do damage control. What that looks like... we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[ruby_rubicon]

It really is a great movie. And very hard to describe in a way that does it justice. I think everyone should see it regardless of what kind of movies one likes.

Also:

Spoiler: Hot dog fingers

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I know TD is more Lady Snowblood than A24 but I hope one of the endings includes a montage of Mina starring in different revamped versions of great movies, old and new.

 

[UmbralKnight]

The only thing that I am remotely confident about is that the night will not end without a hitch.

TD has teased about this in Dev Diary 106 (lewd!) and from a dramatic structure, this would be the logical end of Act 2, where something happens that makes us go oh shit oh shit oh shit and likely be the nadir for our MC and/or carnations. That means I think it is unlikely we will be able to end the night retreating into the comfort of a companion, and more so figure out how to do damage control. What that looks like... we'll just have to wait and see.

I still think we might still end the night on a high note (atleast for one or two of the girls definitely not for felicia)

That means I think it is unlikely we will be able to end the night retreating into the comfort of a companion,

why not ?
If anything MC himself kind of needs more emotional/moral support
given his family situation maybe edwin would like to spend the night in Veronica's house
she was pretty interested in hearing what's happening with his mom
similarly i bet hana wouldn't mind if he spent some time with her
perhaps he could visit rose , she is still living alone after all

with the exception of Felicia
I think it's still possible that we might spend time with one of the LIs

from a dramatic structure, this would be the logical end of Act 2, where something happens that makes us go oh shit oh shit oh shit and likely be the nadir for our MC and/or carnations.

I agree but here is the wrinkle
last update ended under similar circumstances too and so did the previous one before
both of them ended with explosive revelations and high stakes cliffhangers

you can't keep doing the same thing every time
It will inevitably ruin the emotional flow /tonality of the overall narrative
after all last update began with MC trying to figure out how to damage control Vicky getting black mailed about her porn career by grace and ended with a felicia cliffhanger

every update can't simply begin with the MC just waking up and trying to figure out how damage control whatever happened the previous night
that would be too formulaic and too soap operaish

 

[Discrepancy]

with the exception of Felicia
I think it's still possible that we might spend time with one of the LIs

Wouldn't Felicia the one that will probably need more the comfort of being in a different place than usual?
After the night she probably won't want to go home and be with Elias, she might want to go to Edwin's or even Mina's

 

[UmbralKnight]

Wouldn't Felicia the one that will probably need more the comfort of being in a different place than usual?
After the night she probably won't want to go home and be with Elias, she might want to go to Edwin's or even Mina's

True
but we still don't know how elias is going to react after getting humiliated in such a manner
he might lash out at the MC too for his role in him getting cucked publicly

same goes for felicia too
her entire life was just ruined by kathleen
we don't know how she will react
most likely she might spend the night with mina
who knows maybe finally mina will finally learn the truth about the club

 

[Krytax123]

True
but we still don't know how elias is going to react after getting humiliated in such a manner
he might lash out at the MC too for his role in him getting cucked publicly

Elias is a strange guy, it seemed like he was kinda proud of her and that it reignited his respect and passion towards her to me. He claimed to feel respect for the former winning girl too

same goes for felicia too
her entire life was just ruined by kathleen
we don't know how she will react
most likely she might spend the night with mina
who knows maybe finally mina will finally learn the truth about the club

I would argue she ruined her life herself (if you consider it as being ruined). The whole thing being exposed at least makes her less likely to be blackmailed