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Agent Abide

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Only thing i dislike about the game is how Jenna pretty much mooches off you and your progress with your daughters
 

yltohawk

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The MC himself is a rapist by the legal definition of the word given the stuff with Ada (minors can't consent). Honestly my biggest issue though is the MC's constant gaslighting with his wife on the harem route and the way he emotionally manipulates and takes advantage of the younger girls, yea everything works out eventually because that's the way the author wrote it, but the characters are (as usual in these games) so terribly written it's cringe as fuck. Like none of the females are even close to a normal human being, and the MC is a manipulative asshole beyond belief. By the way, you could write a story with realistic women in a polyamorous relationship - they do happen after all - I'm just becoming more and more convinced nobody on this site has that capability. Instead they just write every woman as being completely obsessed with the MC regardless of any action they take, and the MC's all as highly manipulative men that for some reason are cast as a hero.

In short the MC does the follwing:
Gaslight the shit out of his wife (and of course, cheat on her with 4 other girls)
Sexually molest his young daughter when she barely understands what's going on
Take advantage of a young woman having just gone through a rape instead of getting her proper mental health care, all while cheating on his wife.
And other more minor (but still obnoxious) manipulation of his older daughter

Honestly had to skip most of the dialogue on this one and play without the incest patch (once I realized just how bad that patch was in this case).
So if your moral compass find's this game reprehensible and you saw the tag lines... Why then did you play it, (with or without the patch you knew the intent). So you played through the whole game anyway and now you trash us for enjoying this self same game. This is a standard of hypocrasy that even the politicians would blush about. You have no credibility here. You either have buyers remorse and you need to hide your shame or are you just a troll.
 
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The MC himself is a rapist by the legal definition of the word given the stuff with Ada (minors can't consent).
That depends on the jurisdiction. But since it takes place in the USA in the future, maybe they lowered the age of consent? ;)

the way he emotionally manipulates and takes advantage of the younger girls
Yes, the MC is something of an asshole, especially on the harem route.

I actually think it is "better" / more realistic like this. Fully pleasing all women in the game all the time, will not work IRL.
Pursuing a harem by definition forces the women to share. Considering most women would likely prefer a monogamous relation (a fact that is voiced by both Elly and Ada, and of course Emily), a harem outcome is something of a disappointment to them and the Dev chose to mirror that in the sex scenes (which are harder / less loving on the harem route).

But, fortunately there are also exclusive routes for most of the women.
 
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Draakaap23

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The MC himself is a rapist by the legal definition of the word given the stuff with Ada (minors can't consent). Honestly my biggest issue though is the MC's constant gaslighting with his wife on the harem route and the way he emotionally manipulates and takes advantage of the younger girls, yea everything works out eventually because that's the way the author wrote it, but the characters are (as usual in these games) so terribly written it's cringe as fuck. Like none of the females are even close to a normal human being, and the MC is a manipulative asshole beyond belief. By the way, you could write a story with realistic women in a polyamorous relationship - they do happen after all - I'm just becoming more and more convinced nobody on this site has that capability. Instead they just write every woman as being completely obsessed with the MC regardless of any action they take, and the MC's all as highly manipulative men that for some reason are cast as a hero.

In short the MC does the follwing:
Gaslight the shit out of his wife (and of course, cheat on her with 4 other girls)
Sexually molest his young daughter when she barely understands what's going on
Take advantage of a young woman having just gone through a rape instead of getting her proper mental health care, all while cheating on his wife.
And other more minor (but still obnoxious) manipulation of his older daughter

Honestly had to skip most of the dialogue on this one and play without the incest patch (once I realized just how bad that patch was in this case).
It is almost as if you are describing some kind of budget porn-movie-plot. ;)
 

Genji

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Poly are possible if the girl are close with other girl.For example,your wife is really close with her bestie,and if they all consent about it,it can become polygamy as long all of them really love each other and comfortable with this kind of relationship,but in this game,mc just forced the girls into his harem like an asshole he is,he is a criminal after all.
 

Sancho1969

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Was there a way 'to prevent Ellie from getting pregnant?
Always with the inside outside. Itt like an obsession or something.
Unavoidable as one scene never gives options to pull out (hospital scene if I remember correctly).
 

Matoyoshi

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You are assuming that
  1. the "abandoned children" got dropped off at the Shaws' when they were born, and
  2. the requirement to house abandoned children started in 2027
The game did not say when the Shaws started housing Elly; just that Ada came 7 years later.

And you ignore the fact that the game says the date is "17th of May 2027" before the first scene in the bar. Also, 2027 + 12 is 2039, not 2049.
It isn't 2027 +12. It is 2027+7(Elly arrived first, then Ada)+12+3(the three years after Ada arrived that they were still together)= 2049. We are explicitly told that Ada is 15, so that is the only addition that works.

Edit: and apparently blackmagic616 beat me to explaining it while I was busy at work.
 

ProofreadingRUS

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What happened to Sofi's path? Why he let her go?
And what happened to the options? This update has almost 0 options. for the Harem.
 
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bigguy_foryou

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If you have the incest patch and go harem route, then no you can't avoid including Ada.
Damn, that sucks. Elly, Emily (especially post new-look), and to a lesser degree Jenna, are great. But I just have no interest in that other girl, and Ada...yea.... little weird.

I understand it's a lot of work to make routes for every possible combination to account for people's preferences, but that still kind of sucks.
 

SymbioticLife

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So if your moral compass find's this game reprehensible and you saw the tag lines... Why then did you play it, (with or without the patch you knew the intent). So you played through the whole game anyway and now you trash us for enjoying this self same game. This is a standard of hypocrasy that even the politicians would blush about. You have no credibility here. You either have buyers remorse and you need to hide your shame or are you just a troll.
I didn't trash anyone for enjoying it??? Where in my post did I do that? I don't care what other peoples fetishes are, I don't even care if you straight up read or watch straight up brutal rape porn (as long as if just consensual roleplay if done with real people). My point is that it's objectively fucking awful writing. To me having characters not act remotely like actual human beings is not sexy, in the same way a sex doll is not particularly sexy (to me). The MC is not seductive or charming, the women are simply written to be insanely attracted to him regardless of anything he says or does. That's bad writing and literally cringe inducing because it often reads like it was written by somebody with very limited interactions with the opposite sex, particularly in a sexual and/or romantic setting.

Now some of the games on here have at least mildly realistic writing, sometimes only for one or two of the characters though, but for the most part the writing is just bad. And I'm not talking about the quality of the prose (although that is certainly usually poor) I'm talking about the complete lack of ability to create humans that actually act at all like a human being. Everyone's just an archetype, "the naive one", "the slutty one", "the cute one", and they all worship the MC in most of these games without the MC having done anything to even be loved much less worshiped. You can usually treat everyone like absolute shit and they'll act as if you're their savior and nobody will call you out on your shitty behavior.

And it's not like they just ignore morality, in this game for example the MC gets super pissed at the stalker guy (and for good reason, stalkers are creepy) but fails to see any real issue with any of the fucked up shit he's doing. How exactly he's better than a stalker when he's cheating on his wife with his questionably aged daughters is beyond me, but apparently that's legitimate writing in the authors mind because that's what they went with. If you're going to cast him as a villain then cast him as a villain. There's a game on this site literally called like rape something, I don't remember exactly but you play as some dude and essentially go around raping people. That game to me is far less morally messed up than this one. Why, you might ask? Because it doesn't pretend you're a good person, it doesn't lie to you and have the inner thoughts of the character and the words of other characters somehow imply you're actually a really good guy, it admits you're a sociopathic asshole and therefore the writing is consistent with the experience, as opposed to being a molesting, cheating, raping asshole who somehow the game justifies as a good person.

TLDR: Write consistent characters and plotlines or I'm going to call out the bullshit, that doesn't mean I'm trashing other persons tastes, enjoy what you want out of a game.
 

Luxee

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TLDR: Write consistent characters and plotlines or I'm going to call out the bullshit, that doesn't mean I'm trashing other persons tastes, enjoy what you want out of a game.
I dunno how you got the idea he's played to be the good guy. He's definitely an asshole, no questions about it.
As for why the girls are as you say "unrealistic". I find it makes for better porn. Surface level tension between the characters that's just enough for a story to not feel completely without consequence. Enough to get you attached to the characters, but not enough to make you really care about them, where I can still play off a rape attempt as just some passing thing without having to have occasional therapy sessions amidst the PORN GAME I'm making. See, I find that when a porn game gets too real, that just ruins the mood for everybody.
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You're free to disagree with my approach to writing of course.
 
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