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Patreon Account Selling Pirated Games - Developers Beware
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It's like one of my college professors used to say, "Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid."
- Jun 30, 2018
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well, that was really fast!
and as long as he uses his youtube channel:
and link there to "his" download pages, we are able to trace him.
(watch the descriptions he made on his videos)
EDIT: Btw - based on the content rules (
and as long as he uses his youtube channel:
You must be registered to see the links
and link there to "his" download pages, we are able to trace him.
(watch the descriptions he made on his videos)
EDIT: Btw - based on the content rules (
You must be registered to see the links
) it was easy to shut him down
- Sep 30, 2018
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Thats probably because they don't know this side exists or think they are on the safe side when they pay for that.
Its one thing if dev's post their stuff here more or less out of free will, but if someone tries to make money out of it, except the dev, its just straight up scum.
I've dedicated my life into makeing his a l
Never happen with us we did do public releases of an older update but stopped because of the paid releases showing up here not long after it being posted on our patreon. So Ptolemy decided not to waste his time. We stopped Dana when we did because of piracy. he did not want to feed the pirates who were making money off of it. Our next games will be web-based after the current ones are over unless support goes way up
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Yeah thats what i mean. No one besides the dev should make money with piracy, i mean we all know its already a double edged sword with this side right here. On one hand it can bring a dev publicity and some more paying patreons, but it can also end up hurting them.
In our case millions of copies of Dana all over the web. never had more then 460 subs. Amount of lost money a ton
We will offer a downloadable version for the public once and awhile. I'll personly deliver it to F95 Although glamor still makes a shit load of money
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Yeah but per the public stats Dark Silver's player base dropped by half which is a big hit to revenue. So while he may be making a shit ton of money, It's less than when he a version that pirates could download.
We release a new version, there's some buzz and we get a little traction, but then a pirated version shows up on F95Zone and suddenly we get a mid-month spike in patrons. It's not a coincidence. Many of our patrons found us right here on F95Zone.
Sure that means our game appears in other places, but it would be much harder for us to sell people on the quality we're trying to produce if we kept our game hidden and just expected them to take a leap of faith by becoming a patron.
In the last year of production we've learned a very simple rule, if the players like you and they like your game, they'll support you. We've even decided that going forward we're just going to leave the console unlocked on our games. Fact of the matter is that the people who want to play it straight will play it straight and the people who want to tinker will tinker. Who are we to tell people how they should enjoy our game as long as they are enjoying it.
That's our angle anyway.
Try telling that to Ptolemy. He thinks we lost more on Dana then we gained. He's trying to make it a business on his end. I might have to stop doing pr for him for a while to let him see what happens
Only less than half percent of our player base are patrons, at least we hope for growth to sustain the project but, if you are _losing_ money you also need to evaluate your spending in the project.
We do a lot of investments in ours, it takes a long time to break even from that and we haven't yet, but you always have to be mindful where the money goes, i think a lot of creators out there that also makes games and patreon income is their only income, probably spend a lot of that money for the project on their living expenses...
They basically start the project due to the fact that they have no job and need to make money, not because they want to make a game and its a hobby, (at least many are like this, but i do know many start it as a hobby to)
Considering how some people drive their projects its not so strange to me that maybe they don't control the project budget funds that well either.
We never expect to get a 100% conversion of pirates to patrons, but at least we hope that those that can afford it would contribute a bit, and those who would never buy or afford it anyway, at least provides some exposure. Right now the battle is those that would and could pay but don't because there is a "free" alternative.
half percent sounds about right As for him making a business he has a very well paying day job. He thinks he can change things so drastically and will still make what he does now. as for me getting money out of this, I don't get much so I'm cutting back. Not much else I can do as I'm disabled
Well we were on less than 0.2% of conversion earlier, we had as many as 200 patrons on over 100k players, so you know, it takes time to convert, and also, make good games. make sure to always improve on your game not only on the story but the gameplay elements too etc. At least in our case there were a lot of gameplay problems before the engine change so of course we had to prove ourselves that we can deliver and what we are made of, which i think we have now for quite some time.
I also do have a very well paying job that requires a lot of me full time focus, and of course switching to only working on the project should at least yield somewhere in the similar range. Very individual goals I guess. But there's good and bad people everywhere, some people will always say hah we don't need as much, but then the quality is shit or they just milk the game and regardless of the funding they get they don't change anything.
we have been at this for 2 years now made Dreaming of Dana as our first game millions of downloads no more than 360 patreons at any given time.
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It's a strange world, gumdrop makes what, 8K a month (probably more) doing 'nothing'?