Patreon Account Selling Pirated Games - Developers Beware

[SmokeyDots]

I've kind of made light of the situation (kinda find it a bit funny what people will do for a few bucks), but honestly we should all do what we can to get this account banned. Not because this one person is having a big effect, but if a lot of people start doing this than it could become a huge problem...

 

[Hyperserver]

I've kind of made light of the situation (kinda find it a bit funny what people will do for a few bucks), but honestly we should all do what we can to get this account banned. Not because this one person is having a big effect, but if a lot of people start doing this than it could become a huge problem...

it IS still a huge problem right now.
other good developers got banned because of their games containing incest (example: MrDots "Dating my Daughter")
also mostly ALL developers got to make additional coding to avoid incest (and repatch it by lewd mods)
and then this guy shows up, making money which is not his stuff, also posting the same content which caused bans for "real" developers earlier.....
... and this all should not be a "huge problem"?

But dont worry: Patreon is liable if their Patreons offer illegal stuff - and i BET they will shut his account down as soon as they get awake out of their winter sleep.

I just wonder that it took just hours to ban other devs for minor issues, but dont react within 3 days now to shut this idiot down

 

[gamersglory]

F95 is more of the Schrödinger's cat as far as Developers go for the most part as we don't know to tell until we can figure out how we open the box.

 

[Domiek]

it IS still a huge problem right now.
other good developers got banned because of their games containing incest (example: MrDots "Dating my Daughter")
also mostly ALL developers got to make additional coding to avoid incest (and repatch it by lewd mods)
and then this guy shows up, making money which is not his stuff, also posting the same content which caused bans for "real" developers earlier.....
... and this all should not be a "huge problem"?

But dont worry: Patreon is liable if their Patreons offer illegal stuff - and i BET they will shut his account down as soon as they get awake out of their winter sleep.

I just wonder that it took just hours to ban other devs for minor issues, but dont react within 3 days now to shut this idiot down

In patreons defense, I doubt anyone looked at his page. The initial adult ban that took down a lot of devs were higher visibility. They will manually view your page for approval if you flag it as adult when you set it up. They will also manually review it when you first withdraw cash.

My page had 'implied nudity' for 6 months. Within days of me withdrawing funds for the first time I got flagged for a review. Fortunately they were kind enough to not suspend my page while I made the necessary adjustments to not be in violation.

I'm sure they'll close this dudes page as soon as they catch up on holiday backlog.

 

[SmokeyDots]

it IS still a huge problem right now.
other good developers got banned because of their games containing incest (example: MrDots "Dating my Daughter")
also mostly ALL developers got to make additional coding to avoid incest (and repatch it by lewd mods)
and then this guy shows up, making money which is not his stuff, also posting the same content which caused bans for "real" developers earlier.....
... and this all should not be a "huge problem"?

But dont worry: Patreon is liable if their Patreons offer illegal stuff - and i BET they will shut his account down as soon as they get awake out of their winter sleep.

I just wonder that it took just hours to ban other devs for minor issues, but dont react within 3 days now to shut this idiot down

It's probably the payment processors that care about content. Or its regulations they have to follow. Theres currently no real incentive for Patreon to care. They don't have advertisers or partnerships.

I think when they do get a partnership... When Patreon has incentive to care... They will probably ban all pornography. Long term this has a really high probability of happening imo.

edit: Patreon is right up the alley of a company like Amazon to either buyout or partner with. If and when that happens patreon will be as clean as a church.

 

[gamersglory]

It's probably the payment processors that care about content. Or its regulations they have to follow. Theres currently no real incentive for Patreon to care. They don't have advertisers or partnerships.

I think when they do get a partnership... When Patreon has incentive to care... They will probably ban all pornography. Long term this has a really high probability of happening imo.

It's higher than the Payment processors it's the major card companies

 

[Hyperserver]

It's probably the payment processors that care about content. Or its regulations they have to follow. Theres currently no real incentive for Patreon to care. They don't have advertisers or partnerships.

I think when they do get a partnership... When Patreon has incentive to care... They will probably ban all pornography. Long term this has a really high probability of happening imo.

i see this different:
of course Patreon is already reliable for their Members content.
As far as i know (and i might be wrong) - its not only the one reliable who offers the illegal links, its also the Hoster himself reliable if he gets knowledge about this stuff - and this is what just happened due to the reports.
So it should be no matter of payment or any other stuff to shut his account down

 

[gamersglory]

If Patreon was big enough to work out a deal directly with the Card vendors

 

[SmokeyDots]

i see this different:
of course Patreon is already reliable for their Members content.
As far as i know (and i might be wrong) - its not only the one reliable who offers the illegal links, its also the Hoster himself reliable if he gets knowledge about this stuff - and this is what just happened due to the reports.
So it should be no matter of payment or any other stuff to shut his account down

I'm not talking about this specific instance... Most of the time it's as simple as...
PATREON would make more money if they didn't care about anything. So why do they care? Well someone's making them care or it would make their product better in the long run if they cared... Generally companies of this size very rarely care long term though.

When they have financial incentive to care... like if Amazon said hey we'll buy you for 3-5 billion dollars and we going to make Amazon prime work with Patreon. THEN and only THEN do they truely care, because there's a ton of money involved. And when that happens it won't just be ban certain this certain that... it will be ban EVERYTHING that is offensive or could hurt Amazons brand.

 

[gamersglory]

I'm not talking about this specific instance... Most of the time it's as simple as...
PATREON would make more money if they didn't care about anything. So why do they care? Well someone's making them care or it would make their product better in the long run if they cared... Generally companies of this size very rarely care long term though.

When they have financial incentive to care... like if Amazon said hey we'll buy you for 3-5 billion dollars and we going to make Amazon prime work with Patreon. THEN and only THEN do they truely care, because there's a ton of money involved. And when that happens it won't just be ban certain this certain that... it will be ban EVERYTHING that is offensive or could hurt Amazons brand.

Capitalism 101 there

 

[Hyperserver]

@SmokeyDots Ah - ok - i got you wrong then. I thought you are talking about this instance

 

[SmokeyDots]

Capitalism 101 there

Exactly... And like given Jack Conte's (CEO of Patreon)'s past and his mission statement for the company. I have a feeling he's probably quite open to almost all content. He might actually be a person that feels it's part of the company's principles to serve artists of all types. I'm just speculating here (for a good story ).

All this actually completely goes out the window if all of a sudden his shares are worth something like 1-3 billion dollars. You don't just reject that out of principle.

It also doesn't seem like Patreon has any real long term future plans of its platform. Like they could do so much more... but currently it's just a payment processing site, nothing more... That is probably bad long term as well, because if they grow to something huge they might be able to make their own rules to some extent. Right now it kind of looks like they are just in limbo waiting to get bought out...

All this is just speculation obviously... and I'm getting really off topic... I just think people over blame Patreon for bans and other problems...

 

[Deleted member 662393]

I like how the page is still up, amazing company.

 

[Aesouh]

Yeah they gave me this amazing response that i should make a DMCA Request, even though looking at that page for one second shows that its scummy as fuck. Ripping off patreon as well frankly. We shall see i guess if it gets taken down soon, when i replied to the reply from patreon support on twitter they never got back to me

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Also there are a shitton of mirror sites that dont even credit the creators, that mirror from f95 and then puts the game behind add links or crap, just google our game and you will see its up on like 20-30 pages and many of them just do it for personal gain not to share games with the community.

 

[Floga]

It's damn sad that someone is using F95 for this. All the time I'm here I get inspired to (hopefully) try development someday, and then there's this asshole whose first thought probably was "Whoa, free games. Let's sell them and make money." Is there anyway for the staff to know which member is doing this?

 

[Aesouh]

It's damn sad that someone is using F95 for this. All the time I'm here I get inspired to (hopefully) try development someday, and then there's this asshole whose first thought probably was "Whoa, free games. Let's sell them and make money." Is there anyway for the staff to know which member is doing this?

There's over a million members on the forum This is not something you stop by blocking their f95 account, they can just make a new, just look at all the other 30 pirates sites out there, they all copy from f95, down to the post information adn everything, and tags

 

[Floga]

There's over a million members on the forum This is not something you stop by blocking their f95 account, they can just make a new, just look at all the other 30 pirates sites out there, they all copy from f95, down to the post information adn everything, and tags

i really don't know anything about these stuff, so I asked. But, if they create a new account, won't they know it's from the same IP? They could use VPN to change it but I doubt they are that smart.
Also, I wonder if the people who are responsible for this are actually looking and reading through this thread right now

 

[Aesouh]

i really don't know anything about these stuff, so I asked. But, if they create a new account, won't they know it's from the same IP? They could use VPN to change it but I doubt they are that smart.
Also, I wonder if the people who are responsible for this are actually looking and reading through this thread right now

Why would a pirate forum block a pirate, bit hypocritical? It's not like f95 owns the game, most of them here are stolen from patreon pages.

 

[Floga]

Why would a pirate forum block a pirate, bit hypocritical? It's not like f95 owns the game, most of them here are stolen from patreon pages.

Hey, I wasn't the one who brought up blocking. You mentioned it in your previous post so I was just replying for that.
They aren't just normal pirates are they? They're making money off all your games from a non profit community.
Tell me if you had the opportunity to stop this person from getting links from here, wouldn't you want that?
Also, in the unlikely event that the staff do find the member/s, what would you want them to do? Not block them?

 

[c3p0]

i really don't know anything about these stuff, so I asked. But, if they create a new account, won't they know it's from the same IP? They could use VPN to change it but I doubt they are that smart.
Also, I wonder if the people who are responsible for this are actually looking and reading through this thread right now

Don't know, but I don't think so. I believe they are to busy to get the new games on there site or, more "positive" apsect, set up a new site, because their actual will be shut down. I'm not such kind of a optimist, who believe we can save/change the world as a whole...

Why would a pirate forum block a pirate, bit hypocritical? It's not like f95 owns the game, most of them here are stolen from patreon pages.

I think your are right. Also even if F95 would banned this users and prevent them from a comeback. They are few to nothing that we know about his account. Only "fact" would be a person that have created his account before the start of his Patreon "campain". All other things would be speculation.
When I take a shoot in the dark, I believe that is one of the many 0 post users.

And yup, like many others already have said, I find it quite ridiculous to say that the are patreons of each game they posted themself.
I would need a lot of money for this and with the money they "earned" at the moment they could afford to be 1-4 high tier or under 200 low tier patreons. And it wouldn't change anything about their "business" model. This is also the exact reason why I don't believe that they acutally change any game themself: To much work, to less benefit.

To myself: I'm a pirate and also a patreon, as I believe are the most here. Don't willing to use a budget that would allow me to support any Patreon that I think would earned it. And I'm also happy to be here