Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

[wep]

The lewdlab page is terrible. You can't simply know what game is. Ok it is porn game FULL STOP.

No description of the mind control mechanics, no incest of course... nothing at all. It will be a nightmare in future for the devs, especially if no public demo will be allowed.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Yeah but probably nothing is keeping you from linking a blog or something.

From what was reported about what Patreon said to both Mr.Dots and Lewdlab, they can't put direct link to the content on Patreon. But they don't seem to have said something about indirect links.
So, "here's the free version - mega link", isn't possible, but, "I also have a blog, here's the link", should pass without problem. Up to us to understand that there's free stuff in the blog.

 

[T51bwinterized]

The wording they used to developers was vague on the subject. They said "links that contain offending content". Nobody knows if that includes links to personal blogs, itch.io, and Hentai Foundry, or if it just refers to uploads of the game itself.

The simple answer is that nobody knows just how far Patreon devs are going to have to modulate themselves, because Patreon has been maddeningly vague about details.

 

[wep]

Here a very interesting post from Sin (lewdlab):
thanks @jande21

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[robdelobe]

Welp, this is the second time Patreon has had this kind of scare, that I am aware of. There are a few ways around this, I think. Firstly, multiple income streams would help out. With multiple income streams, if one goes down you can buy some time as you look for a way to bring it back up or replace it.

Some alts I took the time to look at are:

You must be registered to see the links

You must be registered to see the links

You must be registered to see the links

I've found all these on:

You must be registered to see the links

There were more but I included these because they have no terms excluding explicit/pornographic content from their services. Another option would be to follow the example of

You must be registered to see the links

and open your own crowd funding platform. It may not be as cheap and easy as opening an account on an existing platform but I'd imagine it allows for much more control and freedom. So if you're really serious about this being a sort of career, then as theboogie/historyeraserbutton would say: "Commit, nerd!" You could also Shadman it up and eat up ads by hosting your own site. Shad is insanely popular, so I'm not sure how effective that would be for most other people.

Another thing to keep in mind (as mentioned earlier in this thread) is to keep most of your content off of crowd-funding platforms and on your own site. This is a good idea by itself but could be improved. My suggestion would be to compartmentalize your content. Have a main SFW site linked to your crowd-funding platforms and have your NSFW content be in it's own section or have it's own site linked to the main one. Artists on tumblr have been known to do this. They have a SFW blog as their main and an NSFW blog in the links. Keeping a degree of separation between their SFW and NSFW content. This way, you can have direct links to your main page from your crowd-funding pages without anyone immediately seeing anything naughty.

I bring this up because, as of writing this I have found out that

You must be registered to see the links

(

You must be registered to see the links

)and

You must be registered to see the links

(

You must be registered to see the links

) are down. These guys are pretty much just "monster rape SFM" niche. I'm not sure how they'd be able to bring their pages back without totally nuking any reference to what they actually do.

 

[KingsRaiden]

Overall I wonder if this will limit the milking that has gone on for some games, and on copies of others. Since most of what those "games" offered were reused images, or a simple idea or game play that went nowhere but reused the idea of an existing game - now within one of the banned topics. Having a more generic page there is a higher bar to differentiate from existing games which means more effort to produce, show some sort of "newness" about the idea, or provide something real that doesn't infringe on what Patreon is keeping an eye on.

Of course someone will try to still scam but maybe with eyes on the lookout those sort of things won't last.

 

[xןʞ]

The lewdlab page is terrible. You can't simply know what game is. Ok it is porn game FULL STOP.

No description of the mind control mechanics, no incest of course... nothing at all. It will be a nightmare in future for the devs, especially if no public demo will be allowed.

From what I understand they are nuking the ability to search and discover adult pages anyway, so unless you already know of game or do a search and find it referenced via google, a random new patreon user is never actually gonna discover these games anyway.

And honestly I feel like the mega devs of adult games already have 99% of their audience, if you are looking to donate to an adult game I'd say it is safe to say you are already aware of lewdlab or DC or whover by now.

Who it is actually gonna hurt are the random guys starting up a game in their spare time, because they are pretty much gonna have to manually come here(or reddit) and promote their game if they actually want it to be noticed, because it will be almost impossible for the usual people who discover random games and post them here to find new games by randomally browsing patreon now.

 

[wep]

From what I understand they are nuking the ability to search and discover adult pages anyway, so unless CUT

I agree and yes of course i was talking about new project.

 

[Bloo]

From what I understand they are nuking the ability to search and discover adult pages anyway, so unless you already know of game or do a search and find it referenced via google, a random new patreon user is never actually gonna discover these games anyway.

And honestly I feel like the mega devs of adult games already have 99% of their audience, if you are looking to donate to an adult game I'd say it is safe to say you are already aware of lewdlab or DC or whover by now.

Who it is actually gonna hurt are the random guys starting up a game in their spare time, because they are pretty much gonna have to manually come here(or reddit) and promote their game if they actually want it to be noticed, because it will be almost impossible for the usual people who discover random games and post them here to find new games by randomally browsing patreon now.

The search was already a thing for a few months now, from what i was told (never used it myself).

 

[vir_cotto]

The search was already a thing for a few months now, from what i was told (never used it myself).

Yes, search was bad to start with.

 

[Antonia Timmens]

Actually I think we are all looking at this from the wrong angle. Why try to reproduce/recreate a Patreon.. or Porntreon?
It appears that the devs cleaning up the public part of their pages have led to restoration of their sites (hopefully not just temporary).

It does pose though a marketing problem for every one of them. I doubt many people will read a generic description of some game, with no demo and pony up any $'s. If they did then you could create a front and then when you download the paywall demo it could say thanks for the $'s sucker! Rinse and repeat.

What might be that "other angle"? A site independent of any developer that hosts the descriptions/reviews and demo d/l's and redirects interested patrons back TO their Paetron site. Sort of like a certain site run by a bunch of folks with eye patches and a certain "musty" scent... :tf:

Yes, there would be some slight of hand needed to coordinate with devs... maybe some voodoo as well so it it all pointed towards Patreon, Devs have Plausible deniability, and no linking from Patreon. That clears the external link issue for the devs.

There is a lot more... there are $'s to make it happen, etc... but could be doable without a lot of issues we earlier beat to death on pay processors, etc. in other posts.

This of course would entail that the Patreon sites not get perm whacked. Just use it as a the ATM.

Just my rusty doubloon worth.

 

[Caligula]

Here a very interesting post from Sin (lewdlab):
thanks @jande21

***snip***

They did not mention anything about my game, nor did they seem interested in it, or any paid / Patron only content.
They did not ask me to change anything in the game itself, or in Patron only posts.

***snip***

Those two lines are very interesting and a bit of a relief. Let's just hope it stays that way.

It seems Patreon is just trying to polish their appearance a little bit. From a business point of view it is actually completely understandable. Yes, you can call their course of action hypocritical by forcing changes in the description page and not banning the content that violates their TOS. I'm just glad this whole scare did not turn out as bad as it could have been and hopefully every developer who is currently under review will soon be back up. However looking for an alternative is probably a good idea.

 

[John The Boogeyman Wick]

Those two lines are very interesting and a bit of a relief. Let's just hope it stays that way.

It seems Patreon is just trying to polish their appearance a little bit. From a business point of view it is actually completely understandable. Yes, you can call their course of action hypocritical by forcing changes in the description page and not banning the content that violates their TOS. I'm just glad this whole scare did not turn out as bad as it could have been and hopefully every developer who is currently under review will soon be back up. However looking for an alternative is probably a good idea.

This what I have been thinking since the being. Business only do shake ups like this too create a better image

 

[Mwanted]

T4boo still down, and some of the creators I supported are probably going to modify present or future content. That's so sad and pathetic. I wish there was an alternative to Patreon so that we could trasnfer all the money far away from those fuckers.

What the guy above wrote is true: now they just need a troll to spam notify a creator and they will bring him down, not to mention creators from now on will be scared to do anything more than casual standard boring scenes..censorship at its best..bah

 

[thanatos69]

T4boo still down, and some of the creators I supported are probably going to modify present or future content. That's so sad and pathetic. I wish there was an alternative to Patreon so that we could trasnfer all the money far away from those fuckers

This. Someone could create a post for those devs who want to become independent, like what hosting should they use, which payment processor should they use, alternatives to patreon, etc. but I'm not sure if there's someone here with that kind of knowledge.

 

[Antonia Timmens]

This. Someone could create a post for those devs who want to become independent, like what hosting should they use, which payment processor should they use, alternatives to patreon, etc. but I'm not sure if there's someone here with that kind of knowledge.

A few of us has a (short) discussion about just that here

You must be registered to see the links

last night (for me anyways) before it became a nasty pile of crap, of which I take some responsibility.

I have been a tech consultant for oh so many of your earth years, and kidding aside, it CAN be done, but not as cheaply, easily, or quickly and most would like. See the beginning of the tread I linked and in the beginning there was a decent discussion between few folks about the issues, trials and tribulations of replacing Patreon. Those issue are applicable to an independent dev wanting to do it all on his/her own.

I wish them all the luck no matter the path they choose!

 

[Paitryn]

From what I'm reading, this looks to be more of a stunt to avoid bad media and legal issues coming onto patreon itself. As long as a patreon account uses the correct lingo, everything is ok for now.

Very hypocritical to say GoT is ok but DMD is not as both are completely fictional and one doesnt even use real people in those depictions. I mean GoT had a child watch two adults incestually fucking in front of him but that was ok? this is a classic case of painting the whole canvas with the same color then going back when you realize how much wrong you are capable of doing.

I can't fault them, its just the world as it is. And no, it's been this way. If anything we are lucky enough these games got supported for as long as they did.

 

[Mwanted]

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Really interesting discussion Antonia, ty. Whoever is going to embark in a project like that needs a decent amount of investments and research. Not to mention a team of professionals. It can't be something amatourish. But if they ever succeed in building something even remotely solid then they'll be drowning in money

 

[wep]

That's just cheap on his part. Any devs who kills his free version because "Patreon forced me" is just dishonest. They can easily set an itch.io page or a personal blog for sharing the public, free builds.

We judged him a little too fast. He created an external site to download the game:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[John The Boogeyman Wick]

A few of us has a (short) discussion about just that here

You must be registered to see the links

last night (for me anyways) before it became a nasty pile of crap, of which I take some responsibility.

I have been a tech consultant for oh so many of your earth years, and kidding aside, it CAN be done, but not as cheaply, easily, or quickly and most would like. See the beginning of the tread I linked and in the beginning there was a decent discussion between few folks about the issues, trials and tribulations of replacing Patreon. Those issue are applicable to an independent dev wanting to do it all on his/her own.

I wish them all the luck no matter the path they choose!

So I took one look over at

You must be registered to see the links

after you said it got bad and

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.