Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

[manneychin]

Everyone here would better start looking for an alternative to Patreon with the highest of priorities. Because of the FCC, because of the shareholders, because of PR, because of whatever, it doesn't matter why they did it. Once policing the minds starts, there is no stopping and there is no turning back.

Think about what will happen next.

Established incest/rape/etc. games are put on a leash. There will be no new audience from mainstream/casual people because now they can't just run into these games. Creators won't make medium-long term plans anymore because you can't put a ton of resources towards a revenue that can be cut arbitrarily outside your control. Creators will have to reduce the resources they put into these games. That will lower quality, which will lower audience, which will lower quality ... repeat until game over. Last but not least, new incest/rape/etc. games will drop sharply close to 0 simply because nobody who could make a good game will find the risk acceptable. While most new such games are shit, they formed a primordial soup that was beneficial for growth. Without the soup, this important growth vector will be choked to death.

I know it's the American way to bend over and try to take it from these companies but in this case it's just so pointless. I would love to see some effort put into trying to find/create an alternative. Maybe f95 could even create a new crypto coin. It's not that crazy. I hear some coins can have "scripts" embedded with each transaction. That could be used to keep everyone honest on how much was paid to f95 and for what. Not to mention anonymity would be so much better than what Patreon offers (i.e. an illusion) and I bet there are a lot of people out there who don't contribute towards this kind of games because they understand the risk of seeing Patreon hacked again.

 

[John The Boogeyman Wick]

Everyone here would better start looking for an alternative to Patreon with the highest of priorities. Because of the FCC, because of the shareholders, because of PR, because of whatever, it doesn't matter why they did it. Once policing the minds starts, there is no stopping and there is no turning back.

Think about what will happen next.

Established incest/rape/etc. games are put on a leash. There will be no new audience from mainstream/casual people because now they can't just run into these games. Creators won't make medium-long term plans anymore because you can't put a ton of resources towards a revenue that can be cut arbitrarily outside your control. Creators will have to reduce the resources they put into these games. That will lower quality, which will lower audience, which will lower quality ... repeat until game over. Last but not least, new incest/rape/etc. games will drop sharply close to 0 simply because nobody who could make a good game will find the risk acceptable. While most new such games are shit, they formed a primordial soup that was beneficial for growth. Without the soup, this important growth vector will be choked to death.

I know it's the American way to bend over and try to take it from these companies but in this case it's just so pointless. I would love to see some effort put into trying to find/create an alternative. Maybe f95 could even create a new crypto coin. It's not that crazy. I hear some coins can have "scripts" embedded with each transaction. That could be used to keep everyone honest on how much was paid to f95 and for what. Not to mention anonymity would be so much better than what Patreon offers (i.e. an illusion) and I bet there are a lot of people out there who don't contribute towards this kind of games because they understand the risk of seeing Patreon hacked again.

You got some good points but if you look up. You will see a link to ware that conversation is being held

 

[Dasati]

I wonder how many dev's will use this as a justification for throwing in the towel. I'm referring to dev's whose heart isn't really in it/aren't earning as much as they'd like and will seize the chance for an out.

 

[xןʞ]

I wonder how many dev's will use this as a justification for throwing in the towel. I'm referring to dev's whose heart isn't really in it/aren't earning as much as they'd like and will seize the chance for an out.

Oh I'm sure there are definitely more than a few devs praying their page gets suspended and they can figure out a way to cash out their current pledges and call it a day.

Then they can just blame that evil gosh darn Patreon instead of standard "personal issues."

 

[thanatos69]

Oh I'm sure there are definitely more than a few devs praying their page gets suspended and they can figure out a way to cash out their current pledges and call it a day.

Then they can just blame that evil gosh darn Patreon instead of standard "personal issues."

You can't cash out when you page has been blocked. It says on the Patreon's rules.

 

[Crell]

Well, I already cancelled my 3 patreon subs. We'll need a new platform. I will under no circumstances support moral bigots like Patreon. Fuck them.

 

[Dasati]

Patreon's cut of it is, according to an article i read 5% of a donation, that means 95% goes to the dev. Your position is fair enough but don't you think, until they have an alternative revenue steam set up your hurting whoever you patron'd more than Patreon itself by stopping?

 

[Crell]

As heartless as it might sound: That's exactly the point of it. The devs need a real incentive to switch to another platform. And what could be a better incentive than the money they make on such a platform. Established devs might hold onto Patreon for some time...because they are well known and can get by without really describing their games. But what about new creators? How are they going to advertize their product?

We need a new platform asap. And that's only going to happen by "forcing" the devs to find one.

 

[Darkaura]

I suspect that the Patreon change is driven by the "Fake News" trend. Google has de-monetized a bunch of political speech that is critical of powerful public figures. All those YouTubers set up Patreons and keep chugging along. Those powerful public figures will want to go after Patreon next, and Patreon is just getting their ducks in a row, before CNN and the Washington Post start to make headlines of Patreon as a vile den of "Fake News" and perversion.

Patreon is not going to try and limit one of the largest revenue generating segments. They are just trying to avoid getting shut down.

 

[Dasati]

As heartless as it might sound: That's exactly the point of it. The devs need a real incentive to switch to another platform. And what could be a better incentive than the money they make on such a platform. Established devs might hold onto Patreon for some time...because they are well known and can get by without really describing their games. But what about new creators? How are they going to advertize their product?

We need a new platform asap. And that's only going to happen by "forcing" the devs to find one.

I think the larger dev's might be able to set up their own websites and establish a monthly billing using a payment processor like Epoch or ccbill. (Note i say might as i myself have no idea as to the feasibility of doing that) But for the smaller dev's, no other platform really springs to mind. Patreons attractiveness comes from the fact its pretty well known and simple to set up and go. A new platform would take time to set up and establish a reputation. Its not that easy to just "find another platform".

 

[Crell]

Well, except that...it actually is just that easy. Because there already are such platforms. Check out

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for example.

The only thing making Patreon special is the monthly payment system. I doubt it'd be that hard to implement that on Kimochi, should they actually be swarmed by ex-patreons.

 

[kzk0987]

I think the larger dev's might be able to set up their own websites and establish a monthly billing using a payment processor like Epoch or ccbill. (Note i say might as i myself have no idea as to the feasibility of doing that) But for the smaller dev's, no other platform really springs to mind. Patreons attractiveness comes from the fact its pretty well known and simple to set up and go. A new platform would take time to set up and establish a reputation. Its not that easy to just "find another platform".

They also can set up their own websites but keep Patreon as the monthly donation platform. That way they can have the clean front pages Patreon wants but still be able to advertise and talk about the game's content elsewhere.
Patreon doesn't need to be the platform for the game's information, it can be just the funding platform and a place for interaction between the dev and his paying userbase.

 

[Dasati]

Many devs may well end up going that route, this whole situation is still early days and alot more clarification from patreon is needed. One things for sure most devs will be atleast exploring that or another ideas as a plan B if worse comes to worst with patreon.

 

[Crell]

Well, we'll see how it all turns out. But I myself wouldn't trust Patreon to do the "right" thing. If anything, I bet they're going to expand their rules and finally even force the games themselves to comply to them. If I were a dev, I'd jump shit as soon as I could.

 

[Arden4702]

If you actually go and have a look on Graphtreon, the vast majority of the top ranking adult games/animations are either incest or furry/bestiality.

So yeah they might as well just shut down the whole idea of adult content I guess.

So all adult content is incest or beast lol, I do not really care for incest, I play BB but honestly try to even then think or them as steps, never really wanted to bang my sister or mom, but to each his own

 

[Crell]

So all adult content is incest or beast lol, I do not really care for incest, I play BB but honestly try to even then think or them as steps, never really wanted to bang my sister or mom, but to each his own

Almost nobody wants to bang their relatives. Even with an incest fetish. I'm into incest porn/games, but the thought of even seeing my sister naked is positively revolting. Incest, for the most part, is about breaking one of the two last great taboos.

And that's why step siblings or parents will never have a real appeal to us. There's no taboo. The second a dev mentions a "step"-whatever, I immediately lose interest if the rest doesn't appeal to me. Happened with The Twist yesterday. The art style is...subpar and the plot seems to be mediocre. And the second the step mom confirms him to be adopted I closed the game.

 

[OhWee]

Just a note to developers following this thread. Lewdlab was allowed to include a link to their twitter feed on their Patreon page. Bloo has suggested that you might also link to your Discord channel if you have one.

 

[Cesar]

As an adult game developer this all situation is very worrisome but not totally unexpected due to the rising popularity of Patreon, it's more mainstream than ever.
I think it's time for us adult game developers adapt and start looking for a backup plan and search for other alternatives(unfortunately there aren't many), because on Patreon a door has been opened, a warning signal is ringing, things will never be the same there, like it or not.
I've no doubts that Patreon will be back for more, sooner or later, it's just a matter of time. Now they're targeting this kind of fetishes, then they'll add new guidelines and come after another kind of adult fetishes(insert name here), and before you know it, any kind of adult content will be banned from their site, and it doesn't matter if they cashed in thousands from you in the past, they're increasing and getting funding from big mainstream sources, just read the news, they can toss out all adult content anytime without too much financial worries, and i don't blame them, trying to run a mainstream business with a "clean reputation" but at same time being associated with adult content is something that isn't compatible, that's the way it is, they'll start to move away from it, and that have just happened if you haven't noticed it... Just my 2 cents on this

 

[T51bwinterized]

It strikes me that Patreon is trying to toe a very delicate line here. It's hard to tell what their exact intentions are, but if they were truly trying to bring the hammer down, the suspensions would be takedowns instead and would be far more numerous. It's important to remember that Patreon has a lot to benefit from producing porn.

The big problem is that Patreon has done a terrible job communicating their intentions to the H-game community. We're assuming the worst because they forced us to rely on assumptions. What they need to do is communicate better to help clear up the fog of misinformation.

 

[Arap12]

Everyone here would better start looking for an alternative to Patreon with the highest of priorities. Because of the FCC, because of the shareholders, because of PR, because of whatever, it doesn't matter why they did it. Once policing the minds starts, there is no stopping and there is no turning back.

Think about what will happen next.

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Agree on that, H-games creators on patreon have no way of attracting customers if nobody can't search them and can't see the contents, that can lead to a rise to a lot more scammers

It strikes me that Patreon is trying to toe a very delicate line here. It's hard to tell what their exact intentions are, but if they were truly trying to bring the hammer down, the suspensions would be takedowns instead and would be far more numerous. It's important to remember that Patreon has a lot to benefit from producing porn.

The big problem is that Patreon has done a terrible job communicating their intentions to the H-game community. We're assuming the worst because they forced us to rely on assumptions. What they need to do is communicate better to help clear up the fog of misinformation.

What Patreon has done is hiding the "scandalous" things behind the curtains and pretend it's all fine, when it's not.
It's as if a shop couldn't display what they offer to the customers and had to lock it behind closed doors where 99% of customers (and potential interested customers) have no way of knowing they have such contents, and also are prohibited to tell they have it.
This is just going to lead to a lot of scammers pretending to have games with content as there's no way to know it aside from paying, and you when discover it, it's too late.