Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

[Mobuis]

Hey as you all have said it we all have are niche that we like and if push comes to shove we will find away around it that all i have to say

 

[NoesisAndNoema]

I suggest that everyone making content, consider these TIPS...
Beyond the requirements and constraints of Patreon. (Other hosts demand some of these things anyways.)

1: Standard "adult content", Must be 18+ or legal to view in your location. (Individual states have individual laws, as well as individual countries.)
2: Extended disclaimer: These are creative works of FICTION... All characters in sexual situations are "of legal age", and portrayed as artistically accurate as possible. (Not every artist has the ability to accurately model/draw the "look of an age".)
3: Build it with selection options for explicit content, defaulting to non-explicit content. Let them type-out relations, if they want incest or under-age portrayals... (That leaves the "creation", up to the user.)
4: Build it MOD friendly... Nothing in the rules says that you can't provide a MOD for your own content, which alters the original game/novel on your Patreon account.
5: Focus on forums, blogs and other gateway services, to funnel them back to one location... Patreon.

 

[PandaPenguin]

great.... as if I could make my MCs step-twins .... okerFace:

I'm in the middle of moving to a new home so I don't have the time to deal with Patreons new BS for now but I'll have to make some changes to my Patreon page when I get back from hiatus...

but if Patreon takes this serious it's basically over for that project as the whole game revolves around boning your twin
not that I don't have other game concepts ready but after working on this for a year it would really suck to dump it because of these new restrictions... okerFace:

 

[osmcuser132]

So all adult content is incest or beast lol, I do not really care for incest, I play BB but honestly try to even then think or them as steps, never really wanted to bang my sister or mom, but to each his own

I also don't wanna bang my mom or sisters nor do I want to kill or shoot anyone or play football but I do play BB, DmD, The Twist, Hitman, GTA and FIFA.
Your post suggests to me you seem to have trouble distinguishing between real life and fantasy or that your mom and sister look and act exactly like the characters in BB

 

[Ignazzio]

I was wondering if devs aren't partially responsible for this reaction. Incest isn't the prettiest sexual behaviour and it's a taboo but on the Patreon lately it become a part of marketing strategy overloading whole market with it. If you look for a game on Patreon it's much more likely you're gonna find incest than vanilla. When taboo isn't a taboo anymore it becoming a problem. All these copy-paste incest devs might dissapear thanks to that and that's not exactly something negative for me.

Your post suggests to me you seem to have trouble distinguishing between real life and fantasy or that your mom and sister look and act exactly like the characters in BB

I would love it if anyone in my family would found a rich-ass Eric who could buy me a bike and would give me a cash
Is there any big dev who's changing his in-game content due to these rules? I know at this point only about
3Diddly Games 'n Comics (Katie's Corruption).

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

I think many devs haven't been smart or truthful to their audiences and this grip on rules only showed that.

I mean, people changing their games because of the rules never had any power over their own creation. If they modify it just to "fit the rules" they would've modified for any other reason (i.e. patrons request) and that means they had no real idea about their own creation.

Other ones... well they could've done a "no sex" version of the game, like the "vanilla" one on mine, or build a game where you can choose if you want incest or not. And no nudity on the public page, because let's be honest: it's a public site without 18+ warnings, did they really think they could post ANYTHING without being noticed or stopped?

I think this was something that was going to happen eventually and as @Ignazzio said above it's not exactly something negative. I am talking as a player, not as a dev, but some games out there were real shit (even mine can be shit, honestly, being a dev doesn't mean I need to talk good about every game) and some, worse than that, were just projects to milk money with sex scenes, projects that were not going to last up to version 004 because of lack of ideas or terrible gameplay.

Those who relied on graphic sex or extreme fetishes only will have problems on Patreon. The other ones (the vast majority, even between us "adult game developers" will just need to play it safe. Maybe this will bring fewer patrons (my game is very appreciated but has got "only" 250 people patronizing it, and I think that's a HUGE number), but at least the products will be original and not copypasted.
And maybe even fun to play.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

To be more clear since maybe Iwas not. Patreon is not asking to remove content, just graphic and descriptions tha don't fit with their (understandable) rules

 

[Pervy Lad]

At this point a lot of this seems like an overreaction, people are crying wolf when it's only the herding dog making its rounds so the flock doesn't look like total shite. I won't deny that this makes things inconvenient but the community seems to have worked itself into a frenzy over something that can be worked around. To be honest the hysteria would be almost laughable if it wasn't so ugly.

I hate internet censorship as much as the next guy or gal but some of what is getting tossed around on here and on patreon is a bit much. Well to each their own opinion I guess.

Heh crap metaphor is crap.

 

[thanatos69]

At this point a lot of this seems like an overreaction, people are crying wolf when it's only the herding dog making its rounds so the flock doesn't look like total shite. I won't deny that this makes things inconvenient but the community seems to have worked itself into a frenzy over something that can be worked around. To be honest the hysteria would be almost laughable if it wasn't so ugly.

I hate internet censorship as much as the next guy or gal but some of what is getting tossed around on here and on patreon is a bit much. Well to each their own opinion I guess.

Heh crap metaphor is crap.

It is an overreaction, but it also a warning sign of things to come. The BIG money is arriving on Patreon and the moment they don't need the adult money, they will toss us out. It's not a matter of IF but WHEN. It happens everytime a new platform gets big.

 

[Snarkfu]

I'm finding the welocming of the removal of derivative games rather disturbing.
Looking out only for your own self interest is how things like this are allowed to continue.
I'm sure those who are doing it would be less flippant if they were the ones being effected.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

It is an overreaction, but it also a warning sign of things to come. The BIG money is arriving on Patreon and the moment they don't need the adult money, they will toss us out. It's not a matter of IF but WHEN. It happens everytime a new platform gets big.

I do not see that inevitable if the creators community plays it smart

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

I'm finding the welocming of the removal of derivative games rather disturbing.
Looking out only for your own self interest is how things like this are allowed to continue.
I'm sure those who are doing it would be less flippant if they were the ones being effected.

No.
Simply put: a project survives if the dev wants it to survive and its community does. If something is, simply put, not good it's just fair it disappears. Even my own of course, I am not the best nor the most good.

But that is not related to the topic at hand,at least not on this level.

All the talking about some new platform... if it was easy, convenient or even safe we wouldn't be on Patreon on the first place.

Without it people like me would have never ever had the opportunity to build anything. For that I won't spit on them. The platform is theirs and so are the rules.

My game is mine and they won't tell me how to develop it. They just said that all public posts should remain clean. I can accept that even because my own were already clean because I know a little bit about how the internet works.

On this very forum people told me to modify my game because it includes children, albeit not nude nor sexualised in any way. A mod needed to intervene too!

If users on a pirate porn forum ask fo that kind of unnecessary censorship, why do you think Patreon shoul not?

 

[anne O'nymous]

It's a matter of time as other sites will follow this trend and no one will dare to mess with it. At least in States and probably Europe.

Do you really think that we (Europeans) will cares about such stupid US laws ? It's the opposite. There's plenty of hosting platforms and hosting services in Europe and I'm sure that they'll be glad to host more sites than they actually do. Bonus side, like laws regarding pornography (and sexual acts) are more strict in the US than in (more or less) half Europa, it can even lead to a better situation for the community.
The worse that can happen is that US residents will have more difficulties to access the sites. And so what ? They're a big part of the market, but between only half the previous number of customers, and no more customers at all, the choice is easy.
It doesn't mean than US residents should not fight for their right to fap, just that the rest of the world will not be impacted by the result.

 

[thanatos69]

No.
Simply put: a project survives if the dev wants it to survive and its community does. If something is, simply put, not good it's just fair it disappears. Even my own of course, I am not the best nor the most good.

But that is not related to the topic at hand,at least not on this level.

All the talking about some new platform... if it was easy, convenient or even safe we wouldn't be on Patreon on the first place.

Without it people like me would have never ever had the opportunity to build anything. For that I won't spit on them. The platform is theirs and so are the rules.

My game is mine and they won't tell me how to develop it. They just said that all public posts should remain clean. I can accept that even because my own were already clean because I know a little bit about how the internet works.

On this very forum people told me to modify my game because it includes children, albeit not nude nor sexualised in any way. A mod needed to intervene too!

If users on a pirate porn forum ask fo that kind of unnecessary censorship, why do you think Patreon shoul not?

What are you planning to do as a dev? I'm interested to know your opinion as someone who's on the other side of the table (I'm just a gamer like most of us here, not a dev.)

 

[OttO]

It is an overreaction, but it also a warning sign of things to come. The BIG money is arriving on Patreon and the moment they don't need the adult money, they will toss us out. It's not a matter of IF but WHEN. It happens everytime a new platform gets big.

It's already happening, just read Contes recent tweets about Barry Schuler and DJF Venture Capital.

 

[Snarkfu]

No.
Simply put: a project survives if the dev wants it to survive and its community does. If something is simply put not good it's just fair it disappears. Even my own.

But that is not related to the topic at hand,at least not on this level.

All the talking about some new platform... if it was easy, convenient or even safe we wouldn't be on Patreon on the first place.

My game is mine and they won't tell me how to develop it. They just said that all public posts should remain clean. I can accept that even because my own were already clean because I know a little bit about how the internet works.

On this very forum people told me to modify my game because it includes children, albeit not nude nor sexualised in any way. A mod needed to intervene too!

If users on a pirate porn forum ask fo that kind of unnecessary censorship, why do you think Patreon shoul not?

If you want good games the developers need money, patreon allows money to come in while the game is being developed.

If you can afford to create your game without any outside finance, or a broadcast platform then great, you don't have to worry about anyone's rules but your own.
A community and a dev can want a game to survive as much as they want but unless they can find a new transaction method that doesn't restrict adult content (which many of them do) they're out of luck.

Other platforms do exist, you can go and use one right now if you want, the difference between other platforms and patreon is that they require your game to be complete before you can sell it.

You said in an earlier post "we should play it safe", what did you mean by that?

E: In response to your additions.
Your own post doesn't even make sense anymore, you say that a dev and a community can make a game survive if they want it to but you also say that patreon is a requirement for it to exist, this is fine but you ALSO say that they won't tell you how to develop your game.

These things cannot coexist, if you need the platform then you must respect the platforms rules, if the platforms rules state that what you are doing cannot be done on their platform then you must change it or stop development.

Users on a pirate forum, and on patreon, and on any other site you advertise on, can request anything they like, only Patreon can ENFORCE anything they like.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

If you want good games the developers need money, patreon allows money to come in while the game is being developed.

If you can afford to create your game without any outside finance, or a broadcast platform then great, you don't have to worry about anyone's rules but your own.
A community and a dev can want a game to survive as much as they want but unless they can find a new transaction method that doesn't restrict adult content (which many of them do) they're out of luck.

Other platforms do exist, you can go and use one right now if you want, the difference between other platforms and patreon is that they require your game to be complete before you can sell it.

You said in an earlier post "we should play it safe", what did you mean by that?

They do not restrict adult content, you can have an adult game without the need to post nude pictures in the public posts or rely on "glorification of rape and bestiality" (quoting)

Play it safe means to avoid going against the.rules and keep developing the game as you would. And I assure you that is possible. If you restrict 18+ posts you do not have to modify your game.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

What are you planning to do as a dev? I'm interested to know your opinion as someone who's on the other side of the table (I'm just a gamer like most of us here, not a dev.)

What do you mean?

 

[Snarkfu]

They do not restrict adult content, you can have an adult game without the need to post nude pictures in the public posts or rely on "glorification of rape and bestiality" (quoting)

Play it safe means to avoid going against the.rules. And I assure you that is possible.

They don't restrict adult content yet, they can change that at any time which is why I don't think we should be celebrating the removal of games as a side effect of rule changes.

So you can have an adult game just so long as you develop it within the scope that they allow...
How do you bring that into line with your previous jab that developers who would change their game in response to rules didn't have a vision for their game?

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

If you want good games the developers need money, patreon allows money to come in while the game is being developed.

If you can afford to create your game without any outside finance, or a broadcast platform then great, you don't have to worry about anyone's rules but your own.
A community and a dev can want a game to survive as much as they want but unless they can find a new transaction method that doesn't restrict adult content (which many of them do) they're out of luck.

Other platforms do exist, you can go and use one right now if you want, the difference between other platforms and patreon is that they require your game to be complete before you can sell it.

You said in an earlier post "we should play it safe", what did you mean by that?

E: In response to your additions.
Your own post doesn't even make sense anymore, you say that a dev and a community can make a game survive if they want it to but you also say that patreon is a requirement for it to exist, this is fine but you ALSO say that they won't tell you how to develop your game.

These things cannot coexist, if you need the platform then you must respect the platforms rules, if the platforms rules state that what you are doing cannot be done on their platform then you must change it or stop development.

Users on a pirate forum, and on patreon, and on any other site you advertise on, can request anything they like, only Patreon can ENFORCE anything they like.

They DO NOT ENFORCE you to change the game, just the public posts. All the overreaction is based on this.

The proof of this is that most of adult pages on Patreon still exist, if what you say was true they wouldn't