Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

[Crusoe]

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On this very forum people told me to modify my game because it includes children, albeit not nude nor sexualised in any way. A mod needed to intervene too!

If users on a pirate porn forum ask fo that kind of unnecessary censorship, why do you think Patreon shoul not?

I`m one of the those who stopped playing your game because it includes children. I didn`t complain or whine about it because it was your game and you made it clear you wouldn`t change it.
Although i find it a little too much censoring even naming the fetishes the game contains it is ridiculous all this fuss about nothing. Most of the Patreon pages of games i like haven`t changed a bit. Why? Because they just respected the old rules. Because the rules were always there, they just ignored them and Patreon turned a blind eye on them. Now that Patreon is just asking them to follow the rules they`ve agreed when joining, suddenly Patreon is the New Inqusition.

Edit: Added something.

 

[Snarkfu]

They DO NOT ENFORCE you to change the game, just the public posts. All the overreaction is based on this.

The proof of this is that most of adult pages on Patreon still exist, if what you say was true they wouldn't

What you're not understanding is that we aren't just reacting to this.
We're looking at where this could lead if they decide that they want to clean up their platform properly.
If your game contains children you REALLY need to start worrying about this and you need to start worrying now because you'd be one of the first to go and I don't think many of the other services that handle adult games would touch with a barge pole.

 

[thanatos69]

What do you mean?

Do you have a backup plan in case Patreon shuts all adult games down or are you hoping for the best like everyone else? Like I said, in my opinion, hiding everything behind paywalls will get you so far. Wall street money will take over Patreon and there won't be any paidwall that will save you. Patreon will inevitably become just another Youtube.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

I`m one of the those who stopped playing your game because it includes children. I didn`t complain or whine about it because it was your game and you made it clear you wouldn`t change it. And i
Although i find it a little too much censoring even naming the fetishes the game contains it is ridiculous all this fuss about nothing.

You were free to do so of course!

What trouble do you have with children depicted in non sexual situations and without any nudity exposed? Medical games in the Nineties had them all along and they were not even 18+ restricted

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

I started my project without any idea where it would have gone. Patreon helped me very much but I will continue to develop it even if backers would decrease to 0.

I always stated that and I am consistent with it. I chose that platform, I could make ato website or go Kickstarter or...who knows? If you are an amateur like I am you will find another way. If you are a professional like I would like to become you NEED to find another way. But that is not happening right now so it is useless to fear anything. Patreon could have even closed, no one can reassure anyone about this. This is.unfortunately how the job market goes.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

I need to stop writing or my wife would kill me. Just remember that complying with the rules does not mean you agree with them. I dont like this but I don't see all this alarm too.

I am just stating the obvious: their home their rules. I am not Patreon, don't be mad at me or any other dev who simply complies with them. That would not be fair.

 

[Crusoe]

You were free to do so of course!

What trouble do you have with children depicted in non sexual situations and without any nudity exposed? Medical games in the Nineties had them all along and they were not even 18+ restricted

Because i don`t want to see children images when i`m about to fap.
But the point of my post was that i agree with you.

 

[Gogotaro]

If you restrict 18+ posts you do not have to modify your game.

For now.

That is the point, WHEN that will not be enough.

 

[Ignazzio]

Do you really think that we (Europeans) will cares about such stupid US laws ? It's the opposite. There's plenty of hosting platforms and hosting services in Europe and I'm sure that they'll be glad to host more sites than they actually do. Bonus side, like laws regarding pornography (and sexual acts) are more strict in the US than in (more or less) half Europa, it can even lead to a better situation for the community.
The worse that can happen is that US residents will have more difficulties to access the sites. And so what ? They're a big part of the market, but between only half the previous number of customers, and no more customers at all, the choice is easy.
It doesn't mean than US residents should not fight for their right to fap, just that the rest of the world will not be impacted by the result.

I'm european as well. I find it highly possible that EU might follow States and make something similiar. It might become a trend. We like it or not whole western culture tends to be similiar and we cooperate when it comes to crime and bank systems. Pornography is controversial enough so I can easily see it being a problem in EU when american players will play forbidden games in States on european servers. But regardless of that it's clear it will impact the rest of the world somehow as States are just way more important for porn than any other country maybe except for Japan.

 

[RWaites]

If this is not just Patreon and the start of a crackdown on certain adult games, will it affect sites like f95zone as you show game content description.

 

[Bruni Multimedia]

If this is not just Patreon and the start of a crackdown on certain adult games, will it affect sites like f95zone as you show game content description.

Copyrighted content is posted here. I do not think you should worry about porn lol

 

[Pervy Lad]

It is an overreaction, but it also a warning sign of things to come. The BIG money is arriving on Patreon and the moment they don't need the adult money, they will toss us out. It's not a matter of IF but WHEN. It happens everytime a new platform gets big.

Ehhh not necessarily, I think there would need to be a big change in Patreon leadership and policy in order for them to just start throwing out adult content creators just because of what they are. I mean they don't even seem to have a real problem with the actual content, just the use of images and words used to promote it on their site, which in a way is understandable. In fact it would be interesting if some of the reasoning behind this is the protection of both itself and adult content creators from outside influence.

All in all though I feel like the community is perpetuating a feeling of victimization within itself, probably more so from among the consumers then the creators.

 

[MrBree]

so i did check and apparently the FCC does have permission to regulate content on the internet since 2015 (thanks Obama).. but this raises a few concerns that the US gov't has ignored or they don't understand, the FCC is acting like they own the whole internet and would try to regulate content from other countries (i don't think thats legal or morally right)... sure i get Patreon is an American site but most of the adult game devs isn't even American or live in America, some of them haven't even been to America and yet the FCC is regulating their content (this can raise international issues).... but if this is the FCC doing then getting around them is very simple just put the ratting AO or MA (adult only over 21) and state all actors is over 18yrs of age, also "this is a work of fiction"... and everything should be allowed....

This is so ignorant, I didn't want it to pas unanswered.

The FCC voted in 2015 to enforce

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. Many people are confused over the term since it has been intentionally warped by corporations opposed to it. It simply means ISPs MUST treat all content on their pipes the same -- Neutrally (traffic management aside). The government isn't involved here except as a watchdog against bad behavior by ISPs.
The FCC did the OPPOSITE of what you stated. They wanted to block ISPs from getting their grubby hands on what you can see. The push to trash these rules by the current FCC is where we have problems. Without Net Neutrality, Corporations can control what you can get on their pipes. And yes, that includes blocking bittorrent (already done), blocking specific websites, etc, etc.

Given that the current administration is stacked with very religious people, and that they are pushing to ALLOW censorship by ISPs... the situation is exactly reversed from what you claim.
Censorship is not a left or right thing, regardless of what some people claim. But the morality that people want to enforce differs. On the left, it is more focused on rights which makes non-consensual and oppressive behaviors unacceptable. On the right it is more focused on religious mores which makes it a much more potent force for censorship.

Going back to the thread topic of Patreon, the forces converging to push censorship most likely stem from having to control their brand. Thus, external morality needs to be taken into account, as well as pressures from other companies they work with (i.e. Paypal and others). In other words, some fetishes are disliked enough that it is difficult to allow legally without diminishing your brand.

 

[Delmach]

I was reading up on the whole FCC thing myself, seems you delivered a good explanation. What I dont quite get is the chairman of FCC, Ajit Pai. Still hurts to see such biased people get voted into those positions, as he was working for cable/internet providers, and of course they wouldnt mind more power.

And apparently both Obama and Trump voted for him, guess whats different is that Trump also voted more conservative, religious kinda people in who would go for the censorship way, and not for the enforcing rights for people way?

Is that how one could describe it or am I getting something wrong?

 

[Antonia Timmens]

I was reading up on the whole FCC thing myself, seems you delivered a good explanation. What I dont quite get is the chairman of FCC, Ajit Pai. Still hurts to see such biased people get voted into those positions, as he was working for cable/internet providers, and of course they wouldnt mind more power.

And apparently both Obama and Trump voted for him, guess whats different is that Trump also voted more conservative, religious kinda people in who would go for the censorship way, and not for the enforcing rights for people way?

Is that how one could describe it or am I getting something wrong?

Ajit Pai was appointed by Trump (and no, not getting into THAT mess of a discussion!)
Just setting that straight. That is the beginning of how the FCC is rolling back the Net Neutrality in favor of the big corps profits and our (your mileage/country may vary) loss or privacy. It would mean your ISP can again watch what you browse and target/sell your info the the highest bidder. And, as @MrBree mentioned, they could clog/slow/exclude anything they really want. Sad Times... :'(

 

[Delmach]

Ajit Varadaraj Pai (born January 10, 1973) is an American attorney who serves as the Chairman of the United States

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tl;dr Both presidents voted for Ajit Pai, Obama got him into FCC and Trump nominated him for another 5 year term (till 2022) and also made him chairman.

 

[Antonia Timmens]

Apologies. I was on the Chairman track... need more coffee...

 

[MrBree]

tl;dr Both presidents voted for Ajit Pai, Obama got him into FCC and Trump nominated him for another 5 year term (till 2022) and also made him chairman.

Not quite. That statement is misleading unless you realize that the FCC is legally required to have both Democrats and Republicans, and that the members from the opposing party are almost always selected by their party with little to no fuss from the president. (Not sure if that is just tradition or law. )
Ajai Pai was picked by Mitch McConnell. That's what you need to know. Obama simply didn't (couldn't?) oppose it.

 

[Delmach]

Right, I discovered that information now as well, can only have 3 members of your own political party (in the Comissioner rank that is, which is always 5 people it seems).

That also makes a lot more sense then, Obama had to fill the spots. And Trump wanted him anyway, and made him chairman.

 

[dunhill]

This is so ignorant, I didn't want it to pas unanswered.

The FCC voted in 2015 to enforce

You must be registered to see the links

. Many people are confused over the term since it has been intentionally warped by corporations opposed to it. It simply means ISPs MUST treat all content on their pipes the same -- Neutrally (traffic management aside). The government isn't involved here except as a watchdog against bad behavior by ISPs.
The FCC did the OPPOSITE of what you stated. They wanted to block ISPs from getting their grubby hands on what you can see. The push to trash these rules by the current FCC is where we have problems. Without Net Neutrality, Corporations can control what you can get on their pipes. And yes, that includes blocking bittorrent (already done), blocking specific websites, etc, etc.

Given that the current administration is stacked with very religious people, and that they are pushing to ALLOW censorship by ISPs... the situation is exactly reversed from what you claim.
Censorship is not a left or right thing, regardless of what some people claim. But the morality that people want to enforce differs. On the left, it is more focused on rights which makes non-consensual and oppressive behaviors unacceptable. On the right it is more focused on religious mores which makes it a much more potent force for censorship.

Going back to the thread topic of Patreon, the forces converging to push censorship most likely stem from having to control their brand. Thus, external morality needs to be taken into account, as well as pressures from other companies they work with (i.e. Paypal and others). In other words, some fetishes are disliked enough that it is difficult to allow legally without diminishing your brand.

so i'm guessing you got triggered by my "thanks Obama" joke and started to go towards political basis??? (omg you snowflakes need to chillout) now saying the FCC is religious and thats the reason why they so forceful is your opinion not a fact (almost every TV show i watch they take swings at religion every single chance they get)... honestly my problem is that the FCC shouldn't be allowed to regulate ANYTHING on the internet, especially adult content.... (its like a police officer in Texas giving a speeding ticket to some guy in Germany, it makes no sense!!!)