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Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

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monkeybird69

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Agreed Ignazzio its annoying to look for a loophole but its far more annoying to have to completely rewrite a game.
 

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Incest is not a disorder as again it happens almost in all species naturally
So do cancer and the flu. The primary criterion for pathology - which I take to be what you mean by 'disorder' - is not "does it happen" but "does it have markedly negative consequences".
 
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I actually don't think patreon's issue was with the incest aspect as much as it was against the rapey part. incest is in the bible in spades so if anything incest is a christian value. But rape... thats just wrong.
 

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Agreed Ignazzio its annoying to look for a loophole but its far more annoying to have to completely rewrite a game.
I would probably start a new one just to stay true to my vision if I was a dev. Moreover rewriting would take shitton of work for most devs. Hope it won't be necesarily.
 

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You're mixing emotions with reality. It is a disorder and for such it would require psychological therapy in many countries. It's just how it is. Science is a bitch. You have clearly no idea what is voyeurism and NTR if you think they are the same and disorder in their context makes no sense. Stop with this offtop here. We won't agree regardless of what I will say
Well I think they should require psychiatric treatment for anyone with that DISORDER and yes since you think it not a disorder we do disagree.
 

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So do cancer and the flu. The primary criterion for pathology - which I take to be what you mean by 'disorder' - is not "does it happen" but "does it have markedly negative consequences".
On the contrary, a single female gecko from New Guinea as she doesn't need a male to fertilize her eggs one at a time has landed on many islands in the pacific and colonized them so her babies all committed incest and yet it was positive unlike the mental disorder of say like a silver back gorilla having another silver back come in and fuck his colony, that would be negative and against the strongest survive evolutionary concept. When another silver back comes into his territory he is challenged and if it comes to it fought to have the strongest genes survive.
 

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Also in the letter...
It breaks my heart that folks who contributed to expressed fear for their pages. Patreon is not that kind of company. I want you to disagree with us. I want you to make your voices heard. I want you to request features and policy changes. I want you to rally the community.
 

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Quite problematic. Hopefully there is someone out there that can offer a different platform other than Patreon for these developers and all future ones.
 

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So, Patreon want the devs to change their content now after what looked like a polishing of the appearance.

That's really bad news for me. I'm currently tracking 33 games and 27 have incest content. Do you see the pattern? ;)

I hope there will be some sort of solution without the devs being forced to edit their games and still getting money.
 
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Ignazzio

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Seems like Faerin (Man Of The House) is removing incest as well from his game as he's received similiar message.
 
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Just noticed Felix Biederman signed the openlettertopatreon.com, that's pretty significant. Chapo Trap House is the . It's not a good sign if they're blowing off their biggest SFW creator, never mind their NSFW ones.
 
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So, I wonder what their stance would be on the game I am creating at the moment... The characters look under age but they aren't. They just have a genetic disorder that makes them look younger than they are. Would that be considered a banable offense? The game I'm making is called Forever Young, my patreon is rargames if you want to check out the main menu picture. Incest is an option in the game as well. I've been working tirelessly for many sleepless nights to get this game out there and now I come to find out that it might be for nothing at all!? Where the hell is the Larry Flint in this situation that builds a site like patreon for the adult minded devs? Obviously there is a trend for certain kinds of porn lately and people arevoicing there opinions by donating money to the games that feature such content. Who are they to say that its right or wrong? The owners of that site i guess but... still.
 

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Looking at this petition it seems like game developers are just a small minority that no one realy cares about that got into a crossfire with real porn industry.
 

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Patreon will end up shooting their selves in the foot in the end once the devs start looking for an alternative to patreon.
This dev won't.
Simply because there is no need for that. For now at least.

If things should change... I'll see when the time comes.

Of course I don't like this as much as you do... but as openlettertopatreon says, some of us are just trying to continue creating and be supported and don't want this to end.

Even if I will complete my game regardless of patrons and patreon, it's undoubtful that the income is giving me a big help with all the costs this activity has (because there ARE costs if you want to do something at least a little good).
 
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So, I wonder what their stance would be on the game I am creating at the moment... The characters look under age but they aren't. They just have a genetic disorder that makes them look younger than they are.
I think you're fucked, in the long run anyway. Your "genetic disorder" brought a big smile to my face, it looked like interesting creative approach to the problem. But it would be too easy, the world is going other way.

You'd think that people would appreciate what advances in computer technology allow us to do. You can create any kind of crazy shit, to please even the most twisted minds. Violence, animals, minors, zombies, incest, ... anything you like, the list is endless. Want a game where blood related family of underage zombies eat and fuck each other, including their living neigbours and pets? I don't, but I'm sure someone would like it. But most important is all possibly real stuff, you no longer need to involve any actual living being to make it, so no one can be hurt. Ain't that great? Sadly, telling the difference between fiction and reality is too much for too many people. Plus it's all niche stuff. So when some self-proclaimed saviour decides to ban it, be it on their website (well, that's their right) or worse by law (already happening in some countries), who will protest? Nobody, "just a few freaks" at most, there won't be any real opposition. General public either doesn't care or will cheer for the saviour. The future is not looking bright.