Don't know enough about internal US politic, so I can't say. But I have a tendency to feel suspicious when the first thing a site tell you is that they guarantee you an "absolute free speech".You must be registered to see the links
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Problem with that is that (if you have something in your game that Patreon doesn't approve of) you cannot mention that at all on your Patreon page, and you cannot link to a version of the game on an external site that has said content. Which might be fine if you already have a lot of followers, and getting income, and word of mouth, but if you're newly started, that doesn't really help.Just dont post the content directly on Patreon. People can still support your work. It just means thinking outside the box a little as to how you get those premium rewards to your patrons. Off the top of my head a password protected gallery which only your patrons can access, and if they cancel their sub you simply freeze their access to the gallery
Yeah, "I have a game, somewhere... But because of Patreon's rules, I can't tell you where, neither I can tell you what's my game about. But please still give me some money", don't really works.Which might be fine if you already have a lot of followers, and getting income, and word of mouth, but if you're newly started, that doesn't really help.
It's, alas, out of question.Is it out of question to set up a blog/website for all things related to the game, and leave Patreon just as the tipjar for donations, and some polls and stuff?
It's not that they will do it, it's that they actually do it. It will take time, but in few month, creators who'll not be hit likeI doubt they'll go out of their way to check people's sites and the content made avaliable there with as much attention as they do to stuff on the Patreon site itself.
I still wouldnt say thats completly true (yet), the few cases so far havent been enough proof that they actually play the game, or to what extent. And with a few hundred of them in varying versions with updates coming in varying cycles, I dont see how they can keep up with that.It's not that they will do it, it's that they actually do it. It will take time, but in few month, creators who'll not be hit likeYou must be registered to see the linkswill be fortunate. They said that they'll go against the games and play them before their definitive statement, they clearly do it.
You can't fund a game with a banned content through Patreon, whatever the way you make the game available.
They clearly played Dreams of Desire.he few cases so far havent been enough proof that they actually play the game
They are supposed to have some admins in their teams, guys who are taught how to do things in the lazy way and to use a ton shit of automation. And like most of the adult games on Patreon are made with Ren'py, it's not a big deal to review them.Because maybe an early 20 minute version of a game doesnt have that unwanted content yet, and the next version does, thats a mammoth project of checking games every now and then.
No, what I meant is that they are stupids. Despite the fact that I just demonstrated that reviewing a Ren'py games is easy and can be done almost automatically, they'll do it manually.Maybe thats what you meant with "but in a few months",
If they do it correctly (see above), a week is enough for one person to review all the games made with Ren'py in Patreon. Personally, my own broken tools give me a good view of a Ren'py game in less than 20 minutes, and I'm not payed for this. I do it by pleasure and what I look for in the games are more complex things than what they search. The human just need to read the digest, and the tools can works all night long.I think people are underestimating the time and effort needed to check everything, doubt Patreon has the personell avaliable to accomplish that.
But the new rules apply to patreon content at large, not just to games. There's more porn art patreons than porn game ones, I think. That would add a lot more time to these estimatives.They clearly played Dreams of Desire.
The game have had a release between their first review of the project page, and the letter I linked to. The page is clear of all the banned words (otherwise it shouldn't have been turned back online), so the only way to know that there's still incest in the game is by playing it (or at least reviewing it, see below).
They are supposed to have some admins in their teams, guys who are taught how to do things in the lazy way and to use a ton shit of automation. And like most of the adult games on Patreon are made with Ren'py, it's not a big deal to review them.
You can use the auto forward feature. For an average game with an average number of choice to make, 30 minutes is way enough to reach the end. And you'll find the incest/rape/bestiality scene way before you reach the end.
Changing a value, the game will automatically save each two/three seconds, so you'll never restart far from the end when you'll review the next release.
They also can browse the pictures. It will not works every time, but if there's "mom" in the name of the picture and she's naked spreading her legs, there's few doubt to have.
The code of a Ren'py game come with the game. It's not difficult use whatever text editor and search for some keywords. With the help of any average coder, you can have a parser which will do it automatically for you. Just read the sentences in its digest and 3 minutes is enough to know if there's incest in the game.
I don't say that they (will) do one or the other. Just that reviewing a Ren'py game isn't a mammoth project, not even a cow one. More or less the same apply for games made with RPGMaker.
No, what I meant is that they are stupids. Despite the fact that I just demonstrated that reviewing a Ren'py games is easy and can be done almost automatically, they'll do it manually.
So, something like five or six creators will be warned each week that their game is still wrong. The next month they'll review the same games and ban or not depending of what they'll see. Then you loop for two more month and 20/24 other creators.
During this time, the fear will spread and creators will resign, migrate to another service, or comply. I'm sure that it's part of their project. In their mind, the time they'll pass reviewing the games isn't lost since it will force the other to comply to their rules.
If they do it correctly (see above), a week is enough for one person to review all the games made with Ren'py in Patreon. Personally, my own broken tools give me a good view of a Ren'py game in less than 20 minutes, and I'm not payed for this. I do it by pleasure and what I look for in the games are more complex things than what they search. The human just need to read the digest, and the tools can works all night long.
It can be more complicated for games made with other game engines, but unless the said engine compress it's data with a proprietary algorithm, you still can decompress them, then at least read every sentences with an hexa editor, or parse the raw content. Unity and Unreal games are the only one they'll have a hard time to review and would perhaps have to really play to know their content.
One week to search the existing tools and create the missing ones, and if they spend more than 10 minutes to know if there's incest in the game, they are the one who should resign.
But the new rules apply to patreon content at large, not just to games. There's more porn art patreons than porn game ones, I think. That would add a lot more time to these estimatives.
Are they ? And it's a real question.Also there's the fact that, as observed, some people are enforcing the rules in a more hard way than others.
Yeah thats the latest case I meant, but even there I know for a fact that not even 2 minutes in the game there is/was mentioned interest in a mother character (could mention the names but does not matter), which to me does not show any deep review, or at least lets the reviewers alert go off too easy to not check a bit further. So if they go by checking it manually as you said they can easily spend a lot of time, depending how games are made.They clearly played Dreams of Desire.
I feel like that's what they want. Take DoD. It was the only one that I know of that was asked personally to change the game to get rid of incest entirely. I feel like that was suppose to resonate with other creators because Sin is one of the big devs and it sends a message that they are going to actively play games to see if ban content is in there. Now if they do that or not is up in the air. I personally don't think they are going to be as active as some might seem at the moment and are just playing hard ball with some devs to ensure that the community knows that they will not tolerate banned content on their site. It really is a matter of time till patreon gets enough revenue from SFW creators that they can then outright ban all pornographic creators from their site.Yeah thats the latest case I meant, but even there I know for a fact that not even 2 minutes in the game there is/was mentioned interest in a mother character (could mention the names but does not matter), which to me does not show any deep review, or at least lets the reviewers alert go off too easy to not check a bit further. So if they go by checking it manually as you said they can easily spend a lot of time, depending how games are made.
Granted, most games do set the atmosphere pretty quickly, well you want to make players have a taste of whats coming off course. So lets say they reviewed it manually, a bit more thorough even. Then I wonder why only the incest was the problem, or well I would probably be pretty happy if thats the only problem for them. As then the mods made would fix the situation, the content on Patreon would be clean then, nothing against the guidelines.
So I generally agree but its still weird when they have other clearly mentioned not wanted content and just let it slide when they are already reviewing a game thats on the list for other things. Which is the next point, you might mod a few things back in the game, and also have it make sense, as in prepare the game and writing for the mods, but there are just some things that are really hard to mod back in. Or things that require different renders, or if your game has many unwanted things, its basically a swiss cheese in the base variant then.
Nothing undoable for sure, seen enough games that have adult switches, even for certain fetishes, but I guess thats a whole different case of mods required then, basically need different versions of the game, as the "clean" variant cant have that hidden content, as said before by Patreon, cant have any option to make characters related.
All in all, as said though, I agree, if they continue and more games get flagged then they basically let the creators do their work for them, as in censor themself right away or just vanish/find other sites.
I'm ready!I don't search specifically for incest on porn sites, but I'm a fan of "sister" category, simply because it tends to have more pretty girls than others (it's of course subjective), and it's been plagued by "not sister" for at least a year now. When there was only a few, I thought it was a typo and they meant "hot". But now it's "not sisters" all around. It really looks like there might be something bigger behind it. Time for conspiracies.