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Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

Ignazzio

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I just don't understand how young looking characters are a problem when some porn stars look 15/16. Grown women look young as fuck sometimes. We as a community really have to find a way to stand up to all this censoring bullshit.
It's our western perspective. I know Japanese games where characters are obviously around 10 at best. Most lolis are strongly underage. In BB case I think it might be Max not females. He looks like 14 and it's harder to justify that with male I guess. But incest is the biggest issue for DS cuz he can't even add step relations
 

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It's our western perspective. I know Japanese games where characters are obviously around 10 at best. Most lolis are strongly underage. In BB case I think it might be Max not females. He looks like 14 and it's harder to justify that with male I guess. But incest is the biggest issue for DS cuz he can't even add step relations
Yeah, I know its our western perspective, but that perspective is bullshit is all. And I somewhat enjoy western games more than Japanese, I think just because they're fresher.

and I can see that but I know Luxee got in some trouble for Parental Love for incest and sexualization of minors. I can only imagine that was for Ada who the Father comments on just missing her 18th birthday and she's also in college. Plus, I really liked Parental Love from what I played. A little fast paced but hoping the story fleshes out, the models are amazing however. Specifically Ada and her friend, and your sister looks like Rihanna :heartcoveredeyes: I just hate seeing amazing content getting trashed and changed.

I knew Parental Love was in for it though, incest wise. Daughters and sisters getting it.
 

DarthSeduction

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I'm in love with Andrea and will go back to it from time to time to see how I can progress with here, but I didn't enjoy it too much. Felt like I was just replaying the same day over and over. Pretty much every time there was dialogue I'd skip through it because it was the same as the day before's and pretty much every encounter is a repeat encounter
That's understandable. It has a dating sim format, so it does feel like that. I ended up using the walkthrough. But the story itself made the grind elements of the dating sim aspect worthwhile to me. Intimate relations doesn't have that problem, not sure if you tried it yet.
 
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If you want to use patreon as a future dev theres a few tips that Ive noticed. First keep your page pretty clean. You can show models of characters, list a few fetishes, and give brief description of your game. Make sure every character shown does not make you second guess if she/he is over 18. Use discord. I don't know why some don't, but discord is your friend if you don't want to use a site like this to give supporters/potential supporters a more detailed depiction of your game. Hell you can even use it as a reward. So say 5 dollars gets you an invite and 10 plus gives you mod rights etc etc. It works. So if you do plan on having a character like say Max (BB) you can show your supporters on discord through NSFW instead of worrying about posting it on patreon. Use polls but more so as suggestions rather than a complete takeover of a game. So for instance DC (summertime saga) uses polls to let players choose on what he will work on next. Each poll has an update with a character or system implementation that he can add to the game. That way people get to see what they want and DC can keep the game how he envisioned it to be without adding things he doesn't want or has no idea how to do (Like say some kind of fetish). This is also an area where you can reward supporters and give higher tier subscribers a reason for their pledge. So say a dollar is one vote and 5 is 2 etc etc. My last bit of advice is to make the game modd friendly especially if you want to use taboo content. Incest is the easiest, but other things might take a lot more work.
 

DarthSeduction

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If you want to use patreon as a future dev theres a few tips that Ive noticed. First keep your page pretty clean. You can show models of characters, list a few fetishes, and give brief description of your game. Make sure every character shown does not make you second guess if she/he is over 18. Use discord. I don't know why some don't, but discord is your friend if you don't want to use a site like this to give supporters/potential supporters a more detailed depiction of your game. Hell you can even use it as a reward. So say 5 dollars gets you an invite and 10 plus gives you mod rights etc etc. It works. So if you do plan on having a character like say Max (BB) you can show your supporters on discord through NSFW instead of worrying about posting it on patreon. Use polls but more so as suggestions rather than a complete takeover of a game. So for instance DC (summertime saga) uses polls to let players choose on what he will work on next. Each poll has an update with a character or system implementation that he can add to the game. That way people get to see what they want and DC can keep the game how he envisioned it to be without adding things he doesn't want or has no idea how to do (Like say some kind of fetish). This is also an area where you can reward supporters and give higher tier subscribers a reason for their pledge. So say a dollar is one vote and 5 is 2 etc etc. My last bit of advice is to make the game modd friendly especially if you want to use taboo content. Incest is the easiest, but other things might take a lot more work.
If it's Ren'Py based the process is the same. You can either package the offending content with the game and make a mod the queue to enable it or package the content in the mod. For my game, which is incest based, I just need to do some text replacement and insertion via conditional statements. For a game with say a bestiality scene or something like an underage character you would need to write the script into the mod for those scenes and include the images. A little more work but not really that much more than what you'd need to do if it was in the base game.
 
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That's why I said incest was the easiest as its a matter of words for the most part. Having the other banned content is going to take some more work as its actual scenes rather than some words that let the player know so and so are related. One last thing I would mention is be somewhat creative with your title. Nothing will set off the alarm faster that your game has banned content then the title. So don't use a title like Animal Farm or I fucked My Cousin Last Summer. You're just asking to be put under review.
 

DarthSeduction

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That's why I said incest was the easiest as its a matter of words for the most part. Having the other banned content is going to take some more work as its actual scenes rather than some words that let the player know so and so are related. One last thing I would mention is be somewhat creative with your title. Nothing will set off the alarm faster that your game has banned content then the title. So don't use a title like Animal Farm or I fucked My Cousin Last Summer. You're just asking to be put under review.
Mine is kinda a tongue in cheek fuck you to their rules. "The Things we do for love." Inspired by Jaime Lannister as he pushes Bran from the tower after getting caught doing exactly the premise of my game, fucking his twin.
 

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And patreon begins another purge. Figured they'd start again but didn't think they'd be that quick about it. Bet they start hitting other devs within the month for any content that has step family or characters that even remotely resemble minors.
 

Ignazzio

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To those who said Patreon won't play the game - DS on discord said that Patreon's staff checked fanmade walkthrough to find every content they don't like. With such actions it might be hard to hide anything. Btw. if they use walkthroughs they should be here as walkthroughs are made here. If they would know about patches it could be messy
 

DarthSeduction

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To those who said Patreon won't play the game - DS on discord said that Patreon's staff checked fanmade walkthrough to find every content they don't like. With such actions it might be hard to hide anything. Btw. if they use walkthroughs they should be here as walkthroughs are made here. If they would know about patches it could be messy
That's a good point. I'm sure it doesn't help though that the title is big brother. Yes, we, having played the game, know its a play on the voyeurism aspect of the game, but the reviewers are gonna see the word brother in an erotica title and immediately be suspicious.

That also speaks to the strong belief I have though that Patreon isn't seeking out violative content. If they were he'd have gone down in the initial purge. Someone has to have reported it, likely for the youthful characters, but could be for the incest as well.
 

Ignazzio

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That also speaks to the strong belief I have though that Patreon isn't seeking out violative content. If they were he'd have gone down in the initial purge. Someone has to have reported it, likely for the youthful characters, but could be for the incest as well.
Report is unlikely. It's BB we talk about - most hated game on this site with huge number of patrons. It would be reported long time ago. So many games have been suspended already sole reports wouldn't do it. I've seen a game that just started and got it. But they're surely not actively looking for such games. It looks like cherry picking from time to time
 

DarthSeduction

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Report is unlikely. It's BB we talk about - most hated game on this site with huge number of patrons. It would be reported long time ago. So many games have been suspended already sole reports wouldn't do it. I've seen a game that just started and got it. But they're surely not actively looking for such games. It looks like cherry picking from time to time
I just can't see how it is a cherry pick if they're missing such a big game. Like, unless they literally have names of games in a hat and draw them at random. I think whats more likely is that BB gets so many reports that it took them a lot longer to sift through them. People don't hate BB for its taboo content. They hate it for the NTR and the grind. I bet most of the reports simply don't have substantial claims to back them. As a result patreon didn't act sooner.
 

Ignazzio

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I just can't see how it is a cherry pick if they're missing such a big game. Like, unless they literally have names of games in a hat and draw them at random. I think whats more likely is that BB gets so many reports that it took them a lot longer to sift through them. People don't hate BB for its taboo content. They hate it for the NTR and the grind. I bet most of the reports simply don't have substantial claims to back them. As a result patreon didn't act sooner.
No, but seriously, like week ago I've seen a dev that has been suspended 2 days after he released his first version. This game is somewhere here. It's barely possible for him to be reported. Drawing random games might be an issue here. It surely scares people involved so they have less to do. But who knows. If someone reported BB (I'm sure someone did) he would most likely just mention that it has incest so it violates TOS. That should be logically enough
 

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No, but seriously, like week ago I've seen a dev that has been suspended 2 days after he released his first version. This game is somewhere here. It's barely possible for him to be reported. Drawing random games might be an issue here. It surely scares people involved so they have less to do. But who knows. If someone reported BB (I'm sure someone did) he would most likely just mention that it has incest so it violates TOS. That should be logically enough
Yes, but you have to consider the amount of money his project brings them. There's gotta be a leniency policy regarding reports on a project that large. Can you imagine if patreon suspended him every time someone reported him? No, they probably have to wait until they have multiple corroborating and detailed reports.
 

Ignazzio

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Yes, but you have to consider the amount of money his project brings them. There's gotta be a leniency policy regarding reports on a project that large. Can you imagine if patreon suspended him every time someone reported him? No, they probably have to wait until they have multiple corroborating and detailed reports.
I guess it's pointless to argue about that. Patreon is so inconsistent and unprofessional it's hard to say anything for sure.
One thing for me is seriously weird - DS seems to be really surprised with suspension. It looks like he didn't have any plan for that. He said that version ready to be patched would required shitton of work and in his opinion patches will be illegal as well soon. He seriously didn't even know about DMD suspension. I like him as a guy and I really see some great potential in him (tho in BB's case it's wasted) but that's just unimaginable for me that such a big developer not only didn't have any plan for suspension but didn't even bother to gather informations regarding that. BB is in a really bad position right now. Not to say that if he's right that patches will be somehow tracked as well it would mean all suspended previously games would be in a trouble
 

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Looks like the two big games are in trouble. Honestly don't see how BB will be able to continue on the site and now MrDots has been told to remove DMD from his Patreon altogether. I think we all knew there was no future on Patreon for games like this but it still sucks that no viable alternative has appeared thus far. Guessing Dreams of Desire will be in trouble again sooner or later.
 

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So DMD is a first game that's being removed completely out of Patreon. Seems like patches won't do it. Sadly to say that but I doubt Dots can gather even 2k without patreon. But that also means that BB and DoD will go as well sooner or later.
 

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It will only get worse for Adult devs, I'm afraid.

"For us, it’s about making Patreon a welcoming home for all creators. That means that some creators won’t be [allowed] on the platform ... Over the past six months, there have been a few instances where we didn't have enough people on the Trust and Safety team, and we realized we need more people,"