- May 19, 2020
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I am glad to hear that most eroge games are safe... for now. I still hope more developers move to another platform preemptively not to mention to stand in solidarity with the developers who will be effected by this.
Patreon new policies
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- Jun 17, 2019
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Good luck bringing your supporters with you to a place where worldwide trusted paying processors aren't an option
- Mar 8, 2018
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There are no real alternatives for creators to move tbh. Subscribe star etc. are all dead compared to Patreon.
It's Steam or Patreon. Maybe other sites like mangagamer, dlsite etc. Subscribe star is dead compared to Patreon etc. and there's no sure way to know if alternatives won't act the same if they get big. You have to remember, these are corporations/businesses. Look at CDProject, what happened to everyone's loved company when they started to prioritize money over quality. Everyone loved Bethesda once too until they hit the spotlight and started to chase money. This happens all the time.
You can't really blame Patreon that much. They have their TOS and most people banned broke it. It didn't come out of the blue as someone claims. At least when it comes to porn games.
Though I find it troubling when they banning a few fetishes which is just a fantasy and doesn't break any law. Who cares about some silly porn game where people get off of big woman stomping little people... You literally have games where you actively cutting people's heads off and it's ok.
But it's the cost of dealing with major payment processors like Paypal and MasterCard. They dictate the rules. I doubt Patreon would deny extra money from questionable games if they weren't forced to force the rules on creators to keep the major payment processors "online" because as I mentioned, Patreon as any other business love money.
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- Mar 8, 2018
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I'm quite happy on Patreon, I guess that point wasn't made.
I won't be moving to Subscribestar.
- Jun 24, 2018
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To all devs, remember to take your money out of patreon before January 15th.
Just in case, you never know.
Just in case, you never know.
At this point it would be better to just use SubscribeStar. It's a better service overall that won't censor you so long as you don't use their service for anything illegal. Patreon has made it clear they don't want anyone using their site who isn't milquetoast, boring or bland. So, might as well take your business elsewhere.
- Jun 17, 2019
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I won't call "a better service overall" being unable to collect your money whenever you want and having to wait till reaching a certain amount of donations before making your withdrawals. It's a black hole for small devs
Yes, but at the very least SubscribeStar won't censor or deplatform you like Patreon will. If it's about money and not the freedom to express yourself and make the kind of game you want to make then by all means continue using Patreon. Eventually though even the most vanilla of pornographic content will be disallowed on Patreon as they continue insisting on sanitizing it so that only the most boring and milquetoast of content and content creators are allowed to utilize their service. At the very least if you're not willing to make the switch, consider using both - it's a bad idea to put all your eggs in one basket, after all.
- Dec 24, 2020
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I'm starting a Patreon but it won't contain the games I'm making due to the policies.
It just contains the women I'm making for the games, not the forbidden content.
I don't expect money for the game, just giving an option for those kind enough willing to donate for investing more time into creating them.
I've noticed Subscribedstar usually gets far less subscribers than a Patreon would.
Offering both might be the best option I suppose, but it makes more trouble for the developer of which more time should be spent on developing the game instead. Especially if the game's in its early developmental days.
The question arises though are people willing enough to create an account for such said service?
I'm starting a Patreon but it won't contain the games I'm making due to the policies.
It just contains the women I'm making for the games, not the forbidden content.
I don't expect money for the game, just giving an option for those kind enough willing to donate for investing more time into creating them.
I've noticed Subscribedstar usually gets far less subscribers than a Patreon would.
Offering both might be the best option I suppose, but it makes more trouble for the developer of which more time should be spent on developing the game instead. Especially if the game's in its early developmental days.
- Jun 17, 2019
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Be aware you can be deplatformed by Patreon either way if someone reports you and they find you're offering 'forbidden' content elsewhere while earning money from advertising it on Patreon. Which is what you'd be doing offering your models there and their sexy shenanigans in SubscribeStar
- Dec 24, 2020
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I was concerned over that actually, have you ever heard of such actions taken upon a developer by such a fashion by Patreon?
If so I suppose SusbcribeStar it is, thanks for the warning! Might even offer a crypto address for those willing to donate instead.
I don't expect much money from my development, and I don't want to water down my content because the banks are trying to distances themselves from certain harmless fetish content. I was going to go the Pixiv Fanbox route but the censorship part might be an issue for many.
- Jun 17, 2019
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I wouldn't be able to provide any names as I'm not into any of those banned fetishes and I miss all that warning-deplatform-whinning fun, but that line appear on Patreon ToU's and it's a point quite usually made in every thread here discussing their policies so yeah, you should at least be aware of the risks.
Honestly, I would still use Patreon (while also using SubscribeStar) as you intended and try to ride on them as long as possible. At first you'll probably get more donors there than in Subscribestar and that money will be already in your pocket when/if Patreon decide you aren't welcome anymore. Plus being deplatformed from Patreon is seen kind of as a prestige badge (corps attacking freedom of speech and artistic creation, you know) so then you could play the victim's card. It's just business, after all
Like I said, it's not a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket. If you think it's worthwhile then go ahead. Personally, I see the writing on the wall. You may not be in violation of the Patreon ToS now, but you might be in the next revision. Because they're keen on sanitizing their platform and I would consider it a bad business decision to rely on them exclusively.
Plus, Subscribestar allows you to donate to creators if you cannot afford a subscription, so that's in part why you see that disparity between the two. Furthermore, some of the content creators I pay attention to make more money on Subscribestar than they do on Patreon, but we're talking people with large audiences. If you're just starting out, it's a good idea to keep your expectations reasonable. You're not going to be an overnight success, you may never be, but so long as you enjoy doing what you do that's all that matters.
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I agree thanks for the advice! Yeah I'm now making the subscribestar, personally I don't expect much. It was simply a fun thing to make and learn how to do on my spare time.
- Sep 18, 2017
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I don't get why people still use Patreon. The point that Patreon is more popular makes little sense since you can't find Porn Games within their search anyways, so people have to find the Link somewhere else. and at that point it really doesn't matter to which platform it leads.
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Why is Subscribestar dead in your opinion? I'm curious because A. I will be looking at Subscribestar as the sole channel for my (keeping my fingers crossed future) supporters, and B. I'm personally backing two projects there.
Just comparing the growth of other creators who switched to subscribe star. It's because of no PayPal option in part and users numbers are lower, and probably being located in Russia feels less secure for people. But it's a good site, works way better, faster than Patreon and the staff is great. Very helpful and responsive. I really like how it works.
Focusing solely on subscribe star may be a good idea if you make Patreon TOS breaking content.
Thanks. Rife with non consensual sex, incest and harsh language my game is going to walk all over Patreon TOS so it's not an option for me.
- Jun 10, 2017
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MrDots with "Dating My Daughter". When Patreon ban started, his answer was to put the link to the game on his personal website, and never on Patreon. It worked until they discovered it. He shared with his patrons the mail they sent, and it ended here from a trustworthy source ; it's now buried in one of the endless thread that was created at this time, but honestly I don't remember which one and where in the thread.
To summarize, Patreon position is that you can't use their service to fund a game having banned content, dot. Whatever if you never talk about the game on your Patreon page, whatever if you don't link the game on Patreon, as long as they think that you are using this money to fund the game, it goes against their rules.
MrDots was offered an alternative (a pretty fucked one): He submit the script for a new game to their approval, and he can continue to work on Dating My Daughter on the side, as long as he don't talk about it on Patreon. But at this time he was one of the top successful adult game creator on Patreon, so I'm not sure if that alternative (having an official game funded by Patreon and a "secret one" on the side) would works for someone else.
In your personal case, I assume that they would see that as funding the game, because you make nothing with the girls you'll show on Patreon. Someone like Oni (Rogue Like author) can probably use that as excuse because he's a well known cartoonist works more on his drawing than on his game, but as I understood it, your initial intent is more to throw some renders that will be in the game.
Then read carefully SubscribeStar terms of services and think about them.
The limit they impose before you can withdraw your money is so high (US$ 150 if I remember correctly) that half of the adult game creators on Patreon wouldn't be able to get their money more often than every three months, while for the less successful a full year wouldn't be enough.
Perhaps that it's something that don't bother you, but what about your potential patrons. Would you give few bucks to someone, knowing that he'll not be able to get them before many months ? I know that personally I wouldn't.