desideuce

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I get that this game is trying to be somewhat realistic. I also get that "the first days are the hardest days" attitude in the game... But ffs... Seriously, weeks into it... And the mofo can't train his whore or meet anybody. WTF is the point of this goddamn grind. GRIND LEVE is outta f'n control in this game.
 
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Here's the current fix list for what we're putting in 3.1.1 bug patch:
-fixed a bug in lawcourts which was causing a crash near the end
-fixed a crash happening with rumors in the baths
-fixed a crash which would occur in bordello
-fixed parmida animation (added hand to spanking)
-added an extra failsafe in bordello code to prevent conditions from running when they shouldn't be
-fixed a bug regarding the wrong dialogue appearing for slaves when staying/following, preventing them from getting stuck as well as clearing up their behavior when not working in the bordello
-fixed the bug with the guards/servants appearing before they're unlocked, locked their "autobuy" behind the same unlock as manually buying them
-fixed the issue with NPCs overlapping z-order on talk portraits
 

dvemail

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I get that this game is trying to be somewhat realistic. I also get that "the first days are the hardest days" attitude in the game... But ffs... Seriously, weeks into it... And the mofo can't train his whore or meet anybody. WTF is the point of this goddamn grind. GRIND LEVE is outta f'n control in this game.
"Cant train his whore" - what does this even mean? Read the hints. Buy the slave, take her to the bordello, tell her to stay here. Groom her. Take her to the bedroom and try to train her. You will probably fail. This starts a quest/dialog to talk to Alfidia. Do that.

This unlocks your ability to force training with punishment as well as your ability to learn to seduce. Spend money on learning to seduce. If you do it once a day for two weeks, your skill goes into the 30's. Your ability to train is now workable. Take the girl to the bedroom and train her in a skill. For Fasti it is several skills, for Inka and Parmida one each.
 
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1) I've been playing a little bit more, but this time with console. I think there's something weird going on with those resistances, and I don't know if texts are mixed up or what.

- If I set resistances to body_shyness and nudity_taboo to positive 30, the training dialog tells me in green that girl is delighted to do this. So girls are really into it, but still they resist much much more if you try to train them.
- If I set the values to negative, like -30, the text says in red she is utterly opposed to this act, but girls resist less.

Maybe I messed it up, but I don't really get the logic, or maybe it needs some other stats too work correctly, but nothing else seems to change. I played until Martius, and never punished the girls ( since I cheated my skills so high at the beginning that I didn't have to ), but still they all hated to live in bordello. No idea how to improve that with console or in normal game.

2) I think texts during acts ( at least in renowed skill level ) are a bit wrong in most training sessions. It says like the girls are not really good, and need more training. I think massage event is one of the few ones, that says that Fasti/Inka is really good in it. I don't think resistances change these texts at all, even if it says that girls are really into something or opposing it. Should it?

3) My lawyer career seems to be working quite well when I set rhetoric skill to 90+. I still loose quite a lot, but now I also win some and even get some "super" wins now and then, which increases Authoritas and Gravitas. Maybe decrease skill level requirement here, since it's next to impossible to get 90+ in any skills legit.

4) I got my bordello to "not too bad" reputation. I save scummed a lot during reflecting your week event, to get high increases to bordello rep. Couldn't figure out what's the attribute to increase bordello's rep to cheat it :), but still no sign of traditional roman doggy vaginal, other vaginal, anal or oral trainings. Also no sign of Furnisher or Madam Pimp characters. Are those things mentioned in changelog in yet? I did got a mention of medic, when I changed Alfidia's management to 99, but could not hire anybody from that Forum guy.

5) Alfidia's management training seems to randomly stop around 40+ skill value after you hire that other woman from the slums to teach her. I have no idea what causes it. It just ends, and no more notifications that her management skill might increase....or is there much lower limit for Alfidia to train her management than player limit. Player seems to be able to train much higher level with money ( is it 60 for player? ).

6) Finally I also got an error, that I can't use manage all option when talking to Alfidia anymore. Normally I could talk to her just fine, so probably something went bonkers during my cheating. That reminds me, that there's something weird going on with auto purchase, and you end up with hundreds of vegetables etc. Maybe there's a little bug in those calculations.

I think what we really need now is a little guide what all the functions do. Like what training options really do? Should we let it slide if slave refuses a training sessions, or what good/bad happens if we punish our slaves. Should we try to increase or decrease resistance etc.? At least in my last legit game I think I punished Fasti too much in the end, and she ended up YELLING ME EVERY TIME I TRIED TO TALK TO HER :) Probably one of those permanent personality changes that game help talks about when you overdo punishments. Heh, I like to test and play around, but still at some point it's nice to actually know what everything does before starting real legit games. To me it currently feels like if I don't punish them, they grow rebellius. If I do punish them, they go mental ( even if I succeed in mini-game ). There must be a way to make them happy sluts who love to suck cock. This is a porn game after all, right :)

Also last but not least, if that spinning "sun" or something is not really needed in the code, and is more like a graphical thing, maybe you could consider dropping it. At first it looks quite nice, but when you play more, it starts to annoy when you get few seconds lag for every command you do. I can live it, but in my opinion faster response would be nicer in the long run.
 
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Sartain

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Why in the world do you torture all the time? Train your inlicio with Alfidia. There's dialog from her about this. At a decent level of Inlicio skill, the girls do what you want without fighting.
For what it's worth, there does seem to be a lot of beatings going on even if you spend a lot of time training that Inlicio skill (that I have yet to find on the character sheet, is it called something else there or am I blind?), maybe it would be an idea to add a lesser punishment option? Personally I feel like I can't just let my slaves get away with disobeying me but on the other hand I don't necessarily want to whip them every damn time (also because the mini-game is a bit sluggish) so maybe there could be a passive punishment option that only increases their submission marginally but also occupies a fairly large gap of the slaves free time?
 
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Here's the current fix list for what we're putting in 3.1.1 bug patch:
-fixed a bug in lawcourts which was causing a crash near the end
-fixed a crash happening with rumors in the baths
-fixed a crash which would occur in bordello
-fixed parmida animation (added hand to spanking)
-added an extra failsafe in bordello code to prevent conditions from running when they shouldn't be
-fixed a bug regarding the wrong dialogue appearing for slaves when staying/following, preventing them from getting stuck as well as clearing up their behavior when not working in the bordello
-fixed the bug with the guards/servants appearing before they're unlocked, locked their "autobuy" behind the same unlock as manually buying them
-fixed the issue with NPCs overlapping z-order on talk portraits
It's probably better to wait for the update then...
 

dvemail

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1) I've been playing a little bit more, but this time with console. I think there's something weird going on with those resistances, and I don't know if texts are mixed up or what.

- If I set resistances to body_shyness and nudity_taboo to positive 30, the training dialog tells me in green that girl is delighted to do this. So girls are really into it, but still they resist much much more if you try to train them.
- If I set the values to negative, like -30, the text says in red she is utterly opposed to this act, but girls resist less.

Maybe I messed it up, but I don't really get the logic, or maybe it needs some other stats too work correctly, but nothing else seems to change. I played until Martius, and never punished the girls ( since I cheated my skills so high at the beginning that I didn't have to ), but still they all hated to live in bordello. No idea how to improve that with console or in normal game.

2) I think texts during acts ( at least in renowed skill level ) are a bit wrong in most training sessions. It says like the girls are not really good, and need more training. I think massage event is one of the few ones, that says that Fasti/Inka is really good in it. I don't think resistances change these texts at all, even if it says that girls are really into something or opposing it. Should it?

3) My lawyer career seems to be working quite well when I set rhetoric skill to 90+. I still loose quite a lot, but now I also win some and even get some "super" wins now and then, which increases Authoritas and Gravitas. Maybe decrease skill level requirement here, since it's next to impossible to get 90+ in any skills legit.

4) I got my bordello to "not too bad" reputation. I save scummed a lot during reflecting your week event, to get high increases to bordello rep. Couldn't figure out what's the attribute to increase bordello's rep to cheat it :), but still no sign of traditional roman doggy vaginal, other vaginal, anal or oral trainings. Also no sign of Furnisher or Madam Pimp characters. Are those things mentioned in changelog in yet? I did got a mention of medic, when I changed Alfidia's management to 99, but could not hire anybody from that Forum guy.

5) Alfidia's management training seems to randomly stop around 40+ skill value after you hire that other woman from the slums to teach her. I have no idea what causes it. It just ends, and no more notifications that her management skill might increase....or is there much lower limit for Alfidia to train her management than player limit. Player seems to be able to train much higher level with money ( is it 60 for player? ).

6) Finally I also got an error, that I can't use manage all option when talking to Alfidia anymore. Normally I could talk to her just fine, so probably something went bonkers during my cheating. That reminds me, that there's something weird going on with auto purchase, and you end up with hundreds of vegetables etc. Maybe there's a little bug in those calculations.

I think what we really need now is a little guide what all the functions do. Like what training options really do? Should we let it slide if slave refuses a training sessions, or what good/bad happens if we punish our slaves. Should we try to increase or decrease resistance etc.? At least in my last legit game I think I punished Fasti too much in the end, and she ended up YELLING ME EVERY TIME I TRIED TO TALK TO HER :) Probably one of those permanent personality changes that game help talks about when you overdo punishments. Heh, I like to test and play around, but still at some point it's nice to actually know what everything does before starting real legit games. To me it currently feels like if I don't punish them, they grow rebellius. If I do punish them, they go mental ( even if I succeed in mini-game ). There must be a way to make them happy sluts who love to suck cock. This is a porn game after all, right :)

Also last but not least, if that spinning "sun" or something is not really needed in the code, and is more like a graphical thing, maybe you could consider dropping it. At first it looks quite nice, but when you play more, it starts to annoy when you get few seconds lag for every command you do. I can live it, but in my opinion faster response would be nicer in the long run.
  • Resistance string colors are reversed? oh, that's a good catch. Tip: Girl might be into the sex act itself - on her own - but not as a whore, they don't want to do these things as a whore.
  • Bordello hatred is not improved in variables - it's more in the coming releases, you have to complete quests. It is important to understand that in roman culture slavery was normal... but being a whore was *not* normal. It is the lowest of the low in all of society. Being a whored out slave is the bottom of the barrel.
  • Law courts - rewrite coming soon, stay tuned - but yes - you have to bribe roman juries to win, it is expected
  • Doggy, vag, etc are not in game yet. We're adding a couple of sex acts for each girl in each release
  • Madam pimp is in Slums house - did it unlock?
  • Yes, Alfidia cannot be trained above a certain value, she has to learn on her own
  • #6 is interesting, that's a bug - it should not auto purchase more than one week in advance
  • Yes, it is important - very important - to understand slave psychology.
  • Yes, we will reduce using Sun dial some
Slave psychology - Super important - This is NOT a simple like/hate model. We did a lot of thinking about this.
There are several factors - and I will not disclose them. Basically, slaves have unique cultures with differing views on slavery. They have differing views on certain sex acts (hint: oral)

You cannot let a slave defy you too many times - no matter what. It breeds contempt. This is expected behavior.
You cannot beat them too many times, it breeds hate or fear. The key skills are the three hidden ones. Inlicio is seduction - you are a pimp now, act like one. Secularis is your understanding of her world view - dont force the wrong things. Sensitivo is your skill in empathy - Do you understand her mindset?
 
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Regarding the Alfidia - escape to main menu, we have seen it happen based on left over persistent data. We'll see what we can do about that. For a short term fix you can delete persistent.
 

coller

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Let me guess, your antivirus deleted minmaxer.exe, and now it doesnt work.
I have this! My antivirus turned off!

Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/_engine/main_engine.rpy", line 25, in <module>
  File "game/libs/config_parser/ConfigParser.rpy", line 84, in dict_from_config_file
Exception: Failed to call a needed program for the game to work, try to run the game as admin or submit your problem with you computer specs.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "lib/windows-i686/_engine/main_engine.rpyc", line 25, in script
  File "C:\Users\tuupo Ilya\Desktop\Patronus-Trunk-winnozip\renpy\ast.py", line 2106, in execute
    value = renpy.python.py_eval_bytecode(self.code.bytecode)
  File "C:\Users\tuupo Ilya\Desktop\Patronus-Trunk-winnozip\renpy\python.py", line 2028, in py_eval_bytecode
    return eval(bytecode, globals, locals)
  File "game/_engine/main_engine.rpy", line 25, in <module>
  File "game/libs/config_parser/ConfigParser.rpy", line 84, in dict_from_config_file
Exception: Failed to call a needed program for the game to work, try to run the game as admin or submit your problem with you computer specs.

Windows-7-6.1.7600
Ren'Py 7.3.2.320
Patronus Trunk
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