Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[JabyShrek988]

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

Damn! Consider writing a paper. You will earn yourself a PHd just by using keywords like "Women's sexual freedom", "misogyny", "suppressed trauma", "denial" etc in your paper. Sarcasm or not, this will make you a lot of money in the era where even proud prostitutes can score a "Yass Queen!" from the audience in a public interview watched by everyone.

I also liked the way you ended your argument. A paper without conclusion or, the papar with diplomatic solution(Not a real solution, like Britain's earlier treatises with Hitler) or, the paper which concludes in the end by blaming everyone (the people/both sides are at fault/two sides of same coin kinda shit) etc is right up all the top league University's alley.

 

[FoolishFool0]

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

Ok but, like, there is a major issue when people frame NTR on those lenses which is based on the fact that the women in NTR, and this game is a perfect example of that, don't cheat on their significant others voluntarily 9 times out of 10.

There is a matter of coercion from the NTRer's part usually involved, drugs, blackmail, kidnapping, the usual shit we can also see here, that completely removes whatever argument about those women's "sexual liberation," by the simple fact that, like... they aren't exactly willingly part of this conversation? They are victims of sexual assault, simulated one in a non real story yes (thus making it a fetish rather than actual SA), but from a Watsonian analysis of the story the female characters are victims here and judging them for it would be kinda shitty.

Of course from a Doylist analysis they are sexual objects for the viewer to consume of course, so then we can do the discussion about the way there is a weird incel undercurrent between some fans of either genres, or how much like a Slasher movie those women are being "punished" for their beauty, or the male character is being punished for his naivety.

Like, most people don't read Metamorphosis and blame the girl for what happens to her, but at the same time why would anyone play this game, where women are drugged into sexual codependence with an abuser in bad endings, and act as if they are nothing but victims here?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Ok but, like, there is a major issue when people frame NTR on those lenses which is based on the fact that the women in NTR, and this game is a perfect example of that, don't cheat on their significant others voluntarily 9 times out of 10.

There is a matter of coercion from the NTRer's part usually involved, drugs, blackmail, kidnapping, the usual shit we can also see here, that completely removes whatever argument about those women's "sexual liberation," by the simple fact that, like... they aren't exactly willingly part of this conversation? They are victims of sexual assault, simulated one in a non real story yes (thus making it a fetish rather than actual SA), but from a Watsonian analysis of the story the female characters are victims here and judging them for it would be kinda shitty.

Of course from a Doylist analysis they are sexual objects for the viewer to consume of course, so then we can do the discussion about the way there is a weird incel undercurrent between some fans of either genres, or how much like a Slasher movie those women are being "punished" for their beauty, or the male character is being punished for his naivety.

Like, most people don't read Metamorphosis and blame the girl for what happens to her, but at the same time why would anyone play this game, where women are drugged into sexual codependence with an abuser in bad endings, and act as if they are nothing but victims here?

Disclaimer: First let me say that I thought dorleans' analysis was very interesting and I was only trying to expound on it, but I don't necessarily see it as some universal theory to explain the whole NTR issue.

Now, your reminder that the women in this game are often victims is certainly true, however, that's sort of beside my point. My hypothesis was that players who like or dislike NTR each see it as a realization of their fear or a confirmation of their bias (respectively), and context is largely irrelevant to them.

Take for instance the more negative responses to NTR, e.g. referring to a female character as "ruined" or accusing other players of being "cucks". I don't recall many protesters empathizing with or advocating for the women.

I've seen arguments that the drugs are a convenient plot device to remove the women's inhibitions and allow them to satisfy their "true" desires. You'd think this argument would be made by NTR enjoyers (confirming their belief that all women are whores), but it isn't. Some NTR haters have used the non-canon NTR scenes as evidence that the women are all potentially moments away from cheating on the main character if the opportunity presents itself, while some NTR enjoyers point out the drugs as a way to absolve any guilt/responsibility the women may have.

 

[dartred]

does anyone have a save file for chapter 11?

Here's CH11 full save. Gallery is complete and NTR is set to on.

 

[Only1P]

This whole intellectual dispute is unnecessary,
It’s simple, Hunter represents the dictator, the ultimate ruler who is all about personal gain and gratification no matter what’s at stake to the surroundings “burning the house metaphor in ch6”, Sterling represents the democrat who follows the wishes of the people around him and seeks to fulfill them to bring them liberation and peace.
The girls are just tools to hammer in the conflict between these two ideologies.
I mean it’s called Power Vacuum for gods sake.
The “NTR” is just a way to represent that in a porn game, sure it might be sugarcoated a lot in order for the kink lovers to jerk off but that’s the gist of things.

Not even talking about Drew, representing ideally conservatism vs liberalism

 

[GoldenEyeDrake]

Any news on when the next update is possibly releasing or at least, a development log of said update? I tried to backtrack, but I all I see are NTR vs non-NTR debates lol.

 

[dartred]

Any news on when the next update is possibly releasing or at least, a development log of said update? I tried to backtrack, but I all I see are NTR vs non-NTR debates lol.

It was only last page, but i'll just repeat. No word on update, but going by progress, we are expecting October or November. It's just a guess, nothing official.

 

[dorleans]

Literally all there is on ANY eroge forum. One day someone will make an eroge discussion site where the debate is confined to ONE sticky thread and ruthlessly banned in every other thread. When that happens, f95 and every site like it will immediately die.

i don't even care about it one way or the other, but NO other kink, regardless of legality or popularity, is allowed to strangle the discussion of literally every single game so easily. I don't like pee fetishes, but I don't showing up in the forums of every watersports game with thousands of personal attacks against every single commenter. Nor do the pee fetishists spam every forum with a sub-literate Urination Manifesto. (yes, you can have the name for your punk band)

I think when your level of public civility is "far below people who like seeing strangers pee on each other" it's time to put down the porn and readjust your priorities? Pee-fetishists, I will never understand you, yet I salute your common-sense forum ettiquette regarding your kink.
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Before they cracked down and started requiring word-replacement fig-leafs, incest content produced a similar thing on more respectable forums like steam. That's where I first encountered this new type of prig - I'm still vacillating between "puritan pervert" and "moralist masturbator" for an official name. I always thought it was very funny that these guys were fine with jerking it to, say, the depravity of mind controlling rape fantasies, but suddenly turned into Victorian ladies suffering vapors if one of their in-game victims turned out to be a first cousin.

 

[Khao]

Anybody have the new dream scene? NVM, It literally came out 2 hours ago LMAO

 

[kyo2022]

Does anyone have the dream scene 4 yet ? if so please share it, thx

 

[dorleans]

Exactly. If you're here, you HAVE no "moral high-horse".

btw, I'd go with "puritan pervert". It rolls off the tongue smoother, but "moralist masturbator" is good too. Tough choices man.

Exactly! We're all depraved wretches, we should tolerate our fellows and make this a pleasant little demimonde in which to shelter from the moral standards of civilized society.

 

[Llamamann]

Does anyone have the dream scene 4 yet ? if so please share it, thx

Oh man, if there isn't a slow panning shot of a bed bouncing in this one too, i dont know what I'll do or how I will go on.

 

[Deleted member 2911672]

What is dream scene 4 about again ?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Anybody have the new dream scene? NVM, It literally came out 2 hours ago LMAO

It hasn't been shared yet, but just a reminder that the Dream Scenes have been split off into their own thread (see below). That should help cut down on the "WTF when is the real update" posts in this thread.

For everybody's information, we have moved the Dream Scenes to a dedicated animation thread. Starting today current and future animations will be posted there : https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-dream-scenes.166538/
Cheers

What is dream scene 4 about again ?

The vote winner was this submission:

Continuation of Hunter seducing Brenna

A continuation from chapter 1 when hunter is seducing Brenna during their guitar lessons. The sex scene is with them naked having sitting sex position with Brenna facing away from hunter ( like how they were position in ch 1 when hunter was fondling her), Hunter's right hand is on Brenna's right breast pulling her nipple. Left hand is playing with her clitoris while she is going up and down his dick. He is licking/sucking her ear. Brenna is having an orgasmic expression while having sex.

 

[FoolishFool0]

It hasn't been shared yet, but just a reminder that the Dream Scenes have been split off into their own thread (see below). That should help cut down on the "WTF when is the real update" posts in this thread.





The vote winner was this submission:

Continuation of Hunter seducing Brenna

A continuation from chapter 1 when hunter is seducing Brenna during their guitar lessons. The sex scene is with them naked having sitting sex position with Brenna facing away from hunter ( like how they were position in ch 1 when hunter was fondling her), Hunter's right hand is on Brenna's right breast pulling her nipple. Left hand is playing with her clitoris while she is going up and down his dick. He is licking/sucking her ear. Brenna is having an orgasmic expression while having sex.

Damn. That's- Next to nothing as far as wild what if shit goes. You'd expect some creative shit, that's just a bad end.

 

[Mr. Chatty]

Does anyone have the dream scene 4 yet ? if so please share it, thx

Here you go.
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[FoolishFool0]

Well, they're supposed to be rewards for the high-tier patreons. People need to stop complaining about free shit which is supposed to be for paying customers. Even if the dev is winkwink looking the other way, you're still pirating. There's a $1 tier if you want to complain guilt-free.

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P.S. Dream scene #4 is pretty hot- Brenna's boob jiggle physics get better and better every month. You'll just have to wait, what, another hour?

I'm not complaining about it? I just find it a waste of a "wild what if that could be anything" honestly. Where is the pizzazz?

EDIT: Ok watched it, again, seems like quite the generic thing, appreciate the London Calling ending mind you that's as wild as stuff like this should be, but again no different than a bad ending in the game, I guess the people who vote on this like this sort of generic stuff I guess.

 

[dartred]

Let's talk about the good of this scene though. The animation was easily in his top animations. The bed rocked better in this dream scene then in the Kevin one. The position wasn't missionary or doggy style. The penetration angle was fantastic.

I would have liked to see this as a what if so it get's more played out, but at the same time, I don't see where it can go from there. For what it is, I think it's probably his best Dream scene animation wise, but story probably last place. There wasn't much he could do with it if anything, between the guitar lessons and the fucking starting.

 

[Mr. Chatty]

I'm not complaining about it? I just find it a waste of a "wild what if that could be anything" honestly. Where is the pizzazz?

EDIT: Ok watched it, again, seems like quite the generic thing, appreciate the London Calling ending mind you that's as wild as stuff like this should be, but again no different than a bad ending in the game, I guess the people who vote on this like this sort of generic stuff I guess.

2. "Catherine's size fantasy" - Catherine has a dream that she and Brenna trade their heights and body measurements. Voluptuous Catherine triumphantly rides Sterling reverse-cowgirl, while diminutive Brenna licks Sterling's dick and Catherine's pussy.

3. Aliza's porn addiction

Hunter finds out about Aliza's porn addiction and uses it to manipulate her into fantasizing about him. He catches her in the act leading to a steamy confrontation. Sex on the couch in Aliza's basement, reverse cowgirl position ending with a facial.

Thoughts?

 

[FoolishFool0]

2. "Catherine's size fantasy" - Catherine has a dream that she and Brenna trade their heights and body measurements. Voluptuous Catherine triumphantly rides Sterling reverse-cowgirl, while diminutive Brenna licks Sterling's dick and Catherine's pussy.

3. Aliza's porn addiction

Hunter finds out about Aliza's porn addiction and uses it to manipulate her into fantasizing about him. He catches her in the act leading to a steamy confrontation. Sex on the couch in Aliza's basement, reverse cowgirl position ending with a facial.

Thoughts?

First one seems way more interesting honestly just for the, again, fantastical concept. I understand that be more work for the author mind you since they'd need to change the character models, but again that sounds more interesting by the simple fact that that's something you surely would never see in game unless they go for a dream route, which is exactly what these sort of dream sequences should be about.

Second one sounds like a generic bad end again. That could be a character arc for Aliza, with Sterling having to intercept the dirty old man porn, I can work with it if the porn she ends up consuming is

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and it turns into femdom out of nowhere, which at least is a bit more zany, but again still in the realm of possible bad ends.