Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[jamiehmcw91]

I am just wondering a few things:

When the MC is with one of the girls , I am wondering what Hunter/Drew is doing with the other girls?
When Sterling was in the coma for over a year, I am wondering how Hunter managed to persuade Brenna,Catherine and Ophelia to get off their birth control pills and get them pregnant.
What if Hunter/Drew has already done something to their birth control pills

 

[DKft]

Can Sterling be with every girl at the same time to fend off Hunter's tricks? Of course no, they don't get stolen by Hunter when they are so easy to fall for him in all the NTR endings just because the writer can't think of any other reason to justify why.

 

[lipe2410]

When the MC is with one of the girls , I am wondering what Hunter/Drew is doing with the other girls?

Nothing

 

[Khurby]

Maybe i'm in the minority but some of us just want to watch our favorite female characters get fucked by something other then a whiny mc.

Exactly this. I had enough "nervous little boy fumbling around while saying awkward cringe shit" sex in college. I don't want to play a game about that. PV is funny so Sterling gets a bit of a pass. I'm also tired of watching hot girls get banged by 13-yr-olds. It's gross and not sexy at all. I know the devs say they're 18, but even nerdy 18-yr-olds aren't THAT scrawny. They draw the boys to look like 13-yr-olds. it's normalized loli shit but in reverse.

 

[maynardkeynes65]

I think that's Sage from Being a DIK ... having sex with Hunter... or Drew in a What If volume 8 part 2.

What If V8 has two parts? I only saw one...

 

[Dmob_6438]

You know I had a idea for a great NTR scene with Hunter and Drew, so let’s say there’s a event coming up and everyone was there right, including Tiff and her mother, amber and her family, and etc. So as hunter and Drew are planning, they realize that as long as sterling is there and around, he’ll do something to sabotage or mess up their plan so during the event, Hunter will ask Drew to stall or distract Sterling so he can make his move with whichever girl that’s alone and sterling will be so focus on drew that he won’t notice it until its too late.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

You know I had a idea for a great NTR scene with Hunter and Drew, so let’s say there’s a event coming up and everyone was there right, including Tiff and her mother, amber and her family, and etc. So as hunter and Drew are planning, they realize that as long as sterling is there and around, he’ll do something to sabotage or mess up their plan so during the event, Hunter will ask Drew to stall or distract Sterling so he can make his move with whichever girl that’s alone and sterling will be so focus on drew that he won’t notice it until its too late.

So how do you think Drew will distract Sterling? And who do you thinkk Hunter will try and fuck then?

 

[john984]

So how do you think Drew will distract Sterling? And who do you thinkk Hunter will try and fuck then?

Drew will read him the fall of the roman empire and Hunter will try and go after Cerberus

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Drew will read him the fall of the roman empire and Hunter will try and go after Cerberus

Fall of the roman empire lol and that would be funny Hunter going after cerberus

 

[Noob Salad]

What? Why? Games

you're last meal
=> your last meal

 

[dorleans]

It clearly wasn't meant as an attack on people who ARE emotionally invested, so there's no need to be defensive. There's also no need to present everything as a false dichotomy i.e. "if you don't think x, that means you think y!" Sometimes others' perspectives don't fit into our preconceived framing.

I'd never have imagined that there could be such a thing as fetish-nationalism before I joined this site. I registered for the piracy, and for a long time blithely assumed the forums consisted of jaded perverts like myself going about their business of looking for more of whatever weird specific things get them off, amidst a general attitude of mutual indifference. Plus bug fixes or something. Then during a bout of insomnia I was like "what could all these posts possibly be about?" and stumbled head first into the NTR wars.

I think there are two additional factors in play with this particular kink. One is that it centers on a fairly common traumatic experience, and I suspect a lot of the people who can't seem to tolerate the slightest mention of an NTR path are reacting to a romantic betrayal in their past, at least in part.

There also seems to be some kind of an incel civil-war element on either side. Some of the nastier depictions and the more rabid opposition to any depiction whatsoever share a basic foundational loathing of women, and even greater contempt for men who're fool enough to feel something like affection for one. The issue of dispute seems to about the acceptable way to get a hate boner.

 

[Longjoe231]

does anyone have a save file for chapter 11?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

There also seems to be some kind of an incel civil-war element on either side. Some of the nastier depictions and the more rabid opposition to any depiction whatsoever share a basic foundational loathing of women, and even greater contempt for men who're fool enough to feel something like affection for one. The issue of dispute seems to about the acceptable way to get a hate boner.

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

 

[JabyShrek988]

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

Damn! Consider writing a paper. You will earn yourself a PHd just by using keywords like "Women's sexual freedom", "misogyny", "suppressed trauma", "denial" etc in your paper. Sarcasm or not, this will make you a lot of money in the era where even proud prostitutes can score a "Yass Queen!" from the audience in a public interview watched by everyone.

I also liked the way you ended your argument. A paper without conclusion or, the papar with diplomatic solution(Not a real solution, like Britain's earlier treatises with Hitler) or, the paper which concludes in the end by blaming everyone (the people/both sides are at fault/two sides of same coin kinda shit) etc is right up all the top league University's alley.

 

[FoolishFool0]

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

Ok but, like, there is a major issue when people frame NTR on those lenses which is based on the fact that the women in NTR, and this game is a perfect example of that, don't cheat on their significant others voluntarily 9 times out of 10.

There is a matter of coercion from the NTRer's part usually involved, drugs, blackmail, kidnapping, the usual shit we can also see here, that completely removes whatever argument about those women's "sexual liberation," by the simple fact that, like... they aren't exactly willingly part of this conversation? They are victims of sexual assault, simulated one in a non real story yes (thus making it a fetish rather than actual SA), but from a Watsonian analysis of the story the female characters are victims here and judging them for it would be kinda shitty.

Of course from a Doylist analysis they are sexual objects for the viewer to consume of course, so then we can do the discussion about the way there is a weird incel undercurrent between some fans of either genres, or how much like a Slasher movie those women are being "punished" for their beauty, or the male character is being punished for his naivety.

Like, most people don't read Metamorphosis and blame the girl for what happens to her, but at the same time why would anyone play this game, where women are drugged into sexual codependence with an abuser in bad endings, and act as if they are nothing but victims here?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Ok but, like, there is a major issue when people frame NTR on those lenses which is based on the fact that the women in NTR, and this game is a perfect example of that, don't cheat on their significant others voluntarily 9 times out of 10.

There is a matter of coercion from the NTRer's part usually involved, drugs, blackmail, kidnapping, the usual shit we can also see here, that completely removes whatever argument about those women's "sexual liberation," by the simple fact that, like... they aren't exactly willingly part of this conversation? They are victims of sexual assault, simulated one in a non real story yes (thus making it a fetish rather than actual SA), but from a Watsonian analysis of the story the female characters are victims here and judging them for it would be kinda shitty.

Of course from a Doylist analysis they are sexual objects for the viewer to consume of course, so then we can do the discussion about the way there is a weird incel undercurrent between some fans of either genres, or how much like a Slasher movie those women are being "punished" for their beauty, or the male character is being punished for his naivety.

Like, most people don't read Metamorphosis and blame the girl for what happens to her, but at the same time why would anyone play this game, where women are drugged into sexual codependence with an abuser in bad endings, and act as if they are nothing but victims here?

Disclaimer: First let me say that I thought dorleans' analysis was very interesting and I was only trying to expound on it, but I don't necessarily see it as some universal theory to explain the whole NTR issue.

Now, your reminder that the women in this game are often victims is certainly true, however, that's sort of beside my point. My hypothesis was that players who like or dislike NTR each see it as a realization of their fear or a confirmation of their bias (respectively), and context is largely irrelevant to them.

Take for instance the more negative responses to NTR, e.g. referring to a female character as "ruined" or accusing other players of being "cucks". I don't recall many protesters empathizing with or advocating for the women.

I've seen arguments that the drugs are a convenient plot device to remove the women's inhibitions and allow them to satisfy their "true" desires. You'd think this argument would be made by NTR enjoyers (confirming their belief that all women are whores), but it isn't. Some NTR haters have used the non-canon NTR scenes as evidence that the women are all potentially moments away from cheating on the main character if the opportunity presents itself, while some NTR enjoyers point out the drugs as a way to absolve any guilt/responsibility the women may have.

 

[dartred]

does anyone have a save file for chapter 11?

Here's CH11 full save. Gallery is complete and NTR is set to on.

 

[Only1P]

This whole intellectual dispute is unnecessary,
It’s simple, Hunter represents the dictator, the ultimate ruler who is all about personal gain and gratification no matter what’s at stake to the surroundings “burning the house metaphor in ch6”, Sterling represents the democrat who follows the wishes of the people around him and seeks to fulfill them to bring them liberation and peace.
The girls are just tools to hammer in the conflict between these two ideologies.
I mean it’s called Power Vacuum for gods sake.
The “NTR” is just a way to represent that in a porn game, sure it might be sugarcoated a lot in order for the kink lovers to jerk off but that’s the gist of things.

Not even talking about Drew, representing ideally conservatism vs liberalism

 

[GoldenEyeDrake]

Any news on when the next update is possibly releasing or at least, a development log of said update? I tried to backtrack, but I all I see are NTR vs non-NTR debates lol.

 

[dartred]

Any news on when the next update is possibly releasing or at least, a development log of said update? I tried to backtrack, but I all I see are NTR vs non-NTR debates lol.

It was only last page, but i'll just repeat. No word on update, but going by progress, we are expecting October or November. It's just a guess, nothing official.