Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[dorleans]

It clearly wasn't meant as an attack on people who ARE emotionally invested, so there's no need to be defensive. There's also no need to present everything as a false dichotomy i.e. "if you don't think x, that means you think y!" Sometimes others' perspectives don't fit into our preconceived framing.

I'd never have imagined that there could be such a thing as fetish-nationalism before I joined this site. I registered for the piracy, and for a long time blithely assumed the forums consisted of jaded perverts like myself going about their business of looking for more of whatever weird specific things get them off, amidst a general attitude of mutual indifference. Plus bug fixes or something. Then during a bout of insomnia I was like "what could all these posts possibly be about?" and stumbled head first into the NTR wars.

I think there are two additional factors in play with this particular kink. One is that it centers on a fairly common traumatic experience, and I suspect a lot of the people who can't seem to tolerate the slightest mention of an NTR path are reacting to a romantic betrayal in their past, at least in part.

There also seems to be some kind of an incel civil-war element on either side. Some of the nastier depictions and the more rabid opposition to any depiction whatsoever share a basic foundational loathing of women, and even greater contempt for men who're fool enough to feel something like affection for one. The issue of dispute seems to about the acceptable way to get a hate boner.

 

[Longjoe231]

does anyone have a save file for chapter 11?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

There also seems to be some kind of an incel civil-war element on either side. Some of the nastier depictions and the more rabid opposition to any depiction whatsoever share a basic foundational loathing of women, and even greater contempt for men who're fool enough to feel something like affection for one. The issue of dispute seems to about the acceptable way to get a hate boner.

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

 

[JabyShrek988]

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

Damn! Consider writing a paper. You will earn yourself a PHd just by using keywords like "Women's sexual freedom", "misogyny", "suppressed trauma", "denial" etc in your paper. Sarcasm or not, this will make you a lot of money in the era where even proud prostitutes can score a "Yass Queen!" from the audience in a public interview watched by everyone.

I also liked the way you ended your argument. A paper without conclusion or, the papar with diplomatic solution(Not a real solution, like Britain's earlier treatises with Hitler) or, the paper which concludes in the end by blaming everyone (the people/both sides are at fault/two sides of same coin kinda shit) etc is right up all the top league University's alley.

 

[FoolishFool0]

I think I get what you're saying. If I may put it another way:

NTR hater: "How can you still like her, she's a whore!"
NTR enjoyer: "Don't be so naive, they're all whores!"

In this scenario we could say the NTR hater's misogyny is expressed through denial of a woman's sexual freedom, which might be rooted in an insecurity that ties back to personal trauma.

On the other hand the NTR enjoyer's misogyny is more expectation of a woman's sexual freedom, possibly developed as a coping mechanism for their own trauma or disappointment.

I think any "war" between these two groups is mostly being waged by one side, because they lash out in pain when reminded of their trauma. The can't yet imagine being in a place emotionally where NTR content would no longer bother them. That's not to say that NTR enjoyers are any healthier or superior in any way.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

Ok but, like, there is a major issue when people frame NTR on those lenses which is based on the fact that the women in NTR, and this game is a perfect example of that, don't cheat on their significant others voluntarily 9 times out of 10.

There is a matter of coercion from the NTRer's part usually involved, drugs, blackmail, kidnapping, the usual shit we can also see here, that completely removes whatever argument about those women's "sexual liberation," by the simple fact that, like... they aren't exactly willingly part of this conversation? They are victims of sexual assault, simulated one in a non real story yes (thus making it a fetish rather than actual SA), but from a Watsonian analysis of the story the female characters are victims here and judging them for it would be kinda shitty.

Of course from a Doylist analysis they are sexual objects for the viewer to consume of course, so then we can do the discussion about the way there is a weird incel undercurrent between some fans of either genres, or how much like a Slasher movie those women are being "punished" for their beauty, or the male character is being punished for his naivety.

Like, most people don't read Metamorphosis and blame the girl for what happens to her, but at the same time why would anyone play this game, where women are drugged into sexual codependence with an abuser in bad endings, and act as if they are nothing but victims here?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Ok but, like, there is a major issue when people frame NTR on those lenses which is based on the fact that the women in NTR, and this game is a perfect example of that, don't cheat on their significant others voluntarily 9 times out of 10.

There is a matter of coercion from the NTRer's part usually involved, drugs, blackmail, kidnapping, the usual shit we can also see here, that completely removes whatever argument about those women's "sexual liberation," by the simple fact that, like... they aren't exactly willingly part of this conversation? They are victims of sexual assault, simulated one in a non real story yes (thus making it a fetish rather than actual SA), but from a Watsonian analysis of the story the female characters are victims here and judging them for it would be kinda shitty.

Of course from a Doylist analysis they are sexual objects for the viewer to consume of course, so then we can do the discussion about the way there is a weird incel undercurrent between some fans of either genres, or how much like a Slasher movie those women are being "punished" for their beauty, or the male character is being punished for his naivety.

Like, most people don't read Metamorphosis and blame the girl for what happens to her, but at the same time why would anyone play this game, where women are drugged into sexual codependence with an abuser in bad endings, and act as if they are nothing but victims here?

Disclaimer: First let me say that I thought dorleans' analysis was very interesting and I was only trying to expound on it, but I don't necessarily see it as some universal theory to explain the whole NTR issue.

Now, your reminder that the women in this game are often victims is certainly true, however, that's sort of beside my point. My hypothesis was that players who like or dislike NTR each see it as a realization of their fear or a confirmation of their bias (respectively), and context is largely irrelevant to them.

Take for instance the more negative responses to NTR, e.g. referring to a female character as "ruined" or accusing other players of being "cucks". I don't recall many protesters empathizing with or advocating for the women.

I've seen arguments that the drugs are a convenient plot device to remove the women's inhibitions and allow them to satisfy their "true" desires. You'd think this argument would be made by NTR enjoyers (confirming their belief that all women are whores), but it isn't. Some NTR haters have used the non-canon NTR scenes as evidence that the women are all potentially moments away from cheating on the main character if the opportunity presents itself, while some NTR enjoyers point out the drugs as a way to absolve any guilt/responsibility the women may have.

 

[dartred]

does anyone have a save file for chapter 11?

Here's CH11 full save. Gallery is complete and NTR is set to on.

 

[Only1P]

This whole intellectual dispute is unnecessary,
It’s simple, Hunter represents the dictator, the ultimate ruler who is all about personal gain and gratification no matter what’s at stake to the surroundings “burning the house metaphor in ch6”, Sterling represents the democrat who follows the wishes of the people around him and seeks to fulfill them to bring them liberation and peace.
The girls are just tools to hammer in the conflict between these two ideologies.
I mean it’s called Power Vacuum for gods sake.
The “NTR” is just a way to represent that in a porn game, sure it might be sugarcoated a lot in order for the kink lovers to jerk off but that’s the gist of things.

Not even talking about Drew, representing ideally conservatism vs liberalism

 

[GoldenEyeDrake]

Any news on when the next update is possibly releasing or at least, a development log of said update? I tried to backtrack, but I all I see are NTR vs non-NTR debates lol.

 

[dartred]

Any news on when the next update is possibly releasing or at least, a development log of said update? I tried to backtrack, but I all I see are NTR vs non-NTR debates lol.

It was only last page, but i'll just repeat. No word on update, but going by progress, we are expecting October or November. It's just a guess, nothing official.

 

[Khurby]

all I see are NTR vs non-NTR debates lol.

Literally all there is on ANY eroge forum. One day someone will make an eroge discussion site where the debate is confined to ONE sticky thread and ruthlessly banned in every other thread. When that happens, f95 and every site like it will immediately die.

i don't even care about it one way or the other, but NO other kink, regardless of legality or popularity, is allowed to strangle the discussion of literally every single game so easily. I don't like pee fetishes, but I don't showing up in the forums of every watersports game with thousands of personal attacks against every single commenter. Nor do the pee fetishists spam every forum with a sub-literate Urination Manifesto. (yes, you can have the name for your punk band)

I think when your level of public civility is "far below people who like seeing strangers pee on each other" it's time to put down the porn and readjust your priorities? Pee-fetishists, I will never understand you, yet I salute your common-sense forum ettiquette regarding your kink.

 

[dorleans]

Literally all there is on ANY eroge forum. One day someone will make an eroge discussion site where the debate is confined to ONE sticky thread and ruthlessly banned in every other thread. When that happens, f95 and every site like it will immediately die.

i don't even care about it one way or the other, but NO other kink, regardless of legality or popularity, is allowed to strangle the discussion of literally every single game so easily. I don't like pee fetishes, but I don't showing up in the forums of every watersports game with thousands of personal attacks against every single commenter. Nor do the pee fetishists spam every forum with a sub-literate Urination Manifesto. (yes, you can have the name for your punk band)

I think when your level of public civility is "far below people who like seeing strangers pee on each other" it's time to put down the porn and readjust your priorities? Pee-fetishists, I will never understand you, yet I salute your common-sense forum ettiquette regarding your kink.
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Before they cracked down and started requiring word-replacement fig-leafs, incest content produced a similar thing on more respectable forums like steam. That's where I first encountered this new type of prig - I'm still vacillating between "puritan pervert" and "moralist masturbator" for an official name. I always thought it was very funny that these guys were fine with jerking it to, say, the depravity of mind controlling rape fantasies, but suddenly turned into Victorian ladies suffering vapors if one of their in-game victims turned out to be a first cousin.

 

[Khurby]

Before they cracked down and started requiring word-replacement fig-leafs, incest content produced a similar thing on more respectable forums like steam. That's where I first encountered this new type of prig - I'm still vacillating between "puritan pervert" and "moralist masturbator" for an official name. I always thought it was very funny that these guys were fine with jerking it to, say, the depravity of mind controlling rape fantasies, but suddenly turned into Victorian ladies suffering vapors if one of their in-game victims turned out to be a first cousin.

Exactly. If you're here, you HAVE no "moral high-horse".

btw, I'd go with "puritan pervert". It rolls off the tongue smoother, but "moralist masturbator" is good too. Tough choices man.

 

[Khao]

Anybody have the new dream scene? NVM, It literally came out 2 hours ago LMAO

 

[kyo2022]

Does anyone have the dream scene 4 yet ? if so please share it, thx

 

[dorleans]

Exactly. If you're here, you HAVE no "moral high-horse".

btw, I'd go with "puritan pervert". It rolls off the tongue smoother, but "moralist masturbator" is good too. Tough choices man.

Exactly! We're all depraved wretches, we should tolerate our fellows and make this a pleasant little demimonde in which to shelter from the moral standards of civilized society.

 

[Llamamann]

Does anyone have the dream scene 4 yet ? if so please share it, thx

Oh man, if there isn't a slow panning shot of a bed bouncing in this one too, i dont know what I'll do or how I will go on.

 

[Deleted member 2911672]

What is dream scene 4 about again ?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Anybody have the new dream scene? NVM, It literally came out 2 hours ago LMAO

It hasn't been shared yet, but just a reminder that the Dream Scenes have been split off into their own thread (see below). That should help cut down on the "WTF when is the real update" posts in this thread.

For everybody's information, we have moved the Dream Scenes to a dedicated animation thread. Starting today current and future animations will be posted there : https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-dream-scenes.166538/
Cheers

What is dream scene 4 about again ?

The vote winner was this submission:

Continuation of Hunter seducing Brenna

A continuation from chapter 1 when hunter is seducing Brenna during their guitar lessons. The sex scene is with them naked having sitting sex position with Brenna facing away from hunter ( like how they were position in ch 1 when hunter was fondling her), Hunter's right hand is on Brenna's right breast pulling her nipple. Left hand is playing with her clitoris while she is going up and down his dick. He is licking/sucking her ear. Brenna is having an orgasmic expression while having sex.

 

[FoolishFool0]

It hasn't been shared yet, but just a reminder that the Dream Scenes have been split off into their own thread (see below). That should help cut down on the "WTF when is the real update" posts in this thread.





The vote winner was this submission:

Continuation of Hunter seducing Brenna

A continuation from chapter 1 when hunter is seducing Brenna during their guitar lessons. The sex scene is with them naked having sitting sex position with Brenna facing away from hunter ( like how they were position in ch 1 when hunter was fondling her), Hunter's right hand is on Brenna's right breast pulling her nipple. Left hand is playing with her clitoris while she is going up and down his dick. He is licking/sucking her ear. Brenna is having an orgasmic expression while having sex.

Damn. That's- Next to nothing as far as wild what if shit goes. You'd expect some creative shit, that's just a bad end.