Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[FoolishFool0]

It had occurred to me this could be the hidden meaning of "Hunter's stock portfolio takes a big dip" (per the teaser post).

The whole thing could be meta, as if Hunter represents WWG himself. Their respective products have become more difficult to market as some in their audience are put off by the more extreme content.

Makes sense, the author seems to favour tongue and cheek jokes about the criticism he gets, like with the recent "they are drugged of course those women are idiots" joke about Cabin in the Woods, or the old Aliza NTR scene where Sterling falls off the stairs and the robot goes "I know people have been clamoring for NTR endings to stick around so I'll make it so on this instance" only to have Sterling die immediately.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Makes sense, the author seems to favour tongue and cheek jokes about the criticism he gets, like with the recent "they are drugged of course those women are idiots" joke about Cabin in the Woods, or the old Aliza NTR scene where Sterling falls off the stairs and the robot goes "I know people have been clamoring for NTR endings to stick around so I'll make it so on this instance" only to have Sterling die immediately.

Don't forget the "I hope this balances out the Hunter/Sterling ratio of scenes" when Hunter fucks Starling. That was a funny joke.

 

[battali0n]

Yeah that's what I am saying that perhaps ntr was always the main theme of the game and harem was just there to make it more appealing to ntr fans.
And you not being an ntr fan doesn't prove or disprove my statement because you are not a harem fan either and I was clearly talking about them and not someone in between. And you watch them so that makes you more inclined towards the ntr side anyway.

I wasn't saying that it's not a harem game but that it have become a shitty harem game that a very few harem fans will like but a perfect ntr game, that any ntr fan can play and most of them will get their mind blown by how good it turned out to be. Of course wwg might not have intended it to be like this but unfortunately for harem fans it's the way the game turned out to be.

I've seen many developers try to mix the 2 genres and it never works because the fan base of NTR is diametrically opposed to the fan base of harems. Once I realized this I stopped supporting NTR optional games. Why pay for content I don't want when there are games that don't have it? The only reason so many NTR developers try to make their games harem is because they know that is where the money is. This has caused so many harem fans to be leery about opening up their wallets to new developers. If every developer would just be honest then there would be a lot less controversy in the threads and the mods wouldn't have to be involved very often. As soon as I saw that this game had NTR I decided to pass on it as it's not my cup of tea.

 

[TGafy]

Yeah, he did say his next game would not have NTR, but he said that 2 years ago. It shouldn't surprise anyone if he changed his mind in those 2 years.

I get that. Choices can change in two years. What I meant was, officially, news directly from wwg was that there wouldn't be ntr in the next one. Anything else is pure speculation.

 

[FoolishFool0]

Honestly? I find I don't really mind NTR bad endings here but mostly because most of them are unhinged. A bear ate Sterling alive once, Catherine set the house on fire, the author set up a Checkov gun so well Hunter got his neck snapped.

As long as the endings are this level of creative I'm fine with them, I'm tired of trite and boring "you didn't Grind enough for the debt collector so now your mom gets fucked by generic dudes" shit.

 

[dartred]

I've seen many developers try to mix the 2 genres and it never works because the fan base of NTR is diametrically opposed to the fan base of harems. Once I realized this I stopped supporting NTR optional games. Why pay for content I don't want when there are games that don't have it? The only reason so many NTR developers try to make their games harem is because they know that is where the money is.

No they aren't. It's the vanilla only crowd that is chewing out the NTR fans. You never see NTR fans getting mad that Vanilla content is in a game, never. You always see vanilla content only fans go into games mark with NTR and then complain about NTR.

This game is Harem / Vanilla content first and makes up 90% of the game. In what world is this treated as majority NTR with the Harem splashed it?

 

[AngryClerk]

Honestly? I find I don't really mind NTR bad endings here but mostly because most of them are unhinged. A bear ate Sterling alive once, Catherine set the house on fire, the author set up a Checkov gun so well Hunter got his neck snapped.

As long as the endings are this level of creative I'm fine with them, I'm tired of trite and boring "you didn't Grind enough for the debt collector so now your mom gets fucked by generic dudes" shit.

That and whether NTR is turned on or off, the antagonist actually suffers and gets foiled during the story. Some avn's out there use NTR elements or hints of it to get the jealousy/anger/despair and any other feelings associated with it into the story but they never bring out the opposite side of the coin where the player can get satisfaction/relief out of the antagonist suffering. Or they do but it is lackluster.

 

[lipe2410]

but they never bring out the opposite side of the coin where the player can get satisfaction/relief out of the antagonist suffering. Or they do but it is lackluster.

This, exactly this. That's why a lot of non-ntr paths in other games are really disaponted because is basicaly like any other harem game where MC seems like the only man in town and the ntr villains practically dissapear. And that's why the latest choices to avoid the bad ending were disappointed to me, because it was simply Sterling avoiding fall in some trap and nothing more. I miss watch creep old Hunter suffering and getting injuried.

 

[dartred]

I do understand not being able to injure him every time you avoid his bad end. There's only so many parts he can lose before it becomes obvious to the family. I'm sure we'll see some injuries come back as we get closer to getting rid of him.

 

[lipe2410]

I do understand not being able to injure him every time you avoid his bad end. There's only so many parts he can lose before it becomes obvious to the family. I'm sure we'll see some injuries come back as we get closer to getting rid of him.

I think he could lose some piece of his butt for the bear in ch. 10 without problem

 

[dartred]

I think he could lose some piece of his butt for the bear in ch. 10 without problem

Yeah, I was thinking what parts can he still lose and not be obvious. Things like skin or anything that can be hidden with clothes or replaced like his fake eye.

It's a minor injury, but I was thinking something like boiling hot drinks to burn his tongue and throat. It would be a temporary injury, but damn if it won't hurt at the moment.

 

[criestoomuch]

... It begs the question though: why don't vanilla/harem/etc. fans out-vote the NTR fans? Are they generally so intolerant of the (optional) NTR that they won't support a game that includes it? Are they just younger (on average) with less disposable money to give to porn creators? I'm curious.

Maybe because when the What Ifs started you couldn't vote for scenes that hadn't happened yet. I know we wouldn't have had essentially three Hunter Brenna stories if we could have had Sterling/Ophelia vaginal sex scenes early. We might have also gotten a full fledged MC/Ophelia/Aliza threesome scene. And possibly a MC/Drew sharing scene.

Although I kind of wonder what would be the most popular if Patreon had lateral reward tiers. You know instead of the current system pay $1 for this or $1($5) for that or $5($10) for this other thing. I know there are in-between tiers that let you pay less for a higher tier. That's not what I'm talking about.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

I remember when Hunter said to Sterling that Lucia will be visiting, Hunter left the room and Sterling said that's great as he now has another three holes to watch (Lucia's ass,mouth and pussy) from Hunter/Drew. So in total that's 12 holes in total Sterling needs to protect from them
But am I right in saying that Hunter has only fucked the pussies of Ophela,Brenna,Catherine and Lucia. Hes not fucked their mouths or assess.
Am I right in saying this?

 

[dartred]

I remember when Hunter said to Sterling that Lucia will be visiting, Hunter left the room and Sterling said that's great as he now has another three holes to watch (Lucia's ass,mouth and pussy) from Hunter/Drew. So in total that's 12 holes in total Sterling needs to protect from them
But am I right in saying that Hunter has only fucked the pussies of Ophela,Brenna,Catherine and Lucia. Hes not fucked their mouths or assess.
Am I right in saying this?

He has gotten a blowjob from Ophelia, Brenna and Cath. Not yet with Lucia.

He has gotten anal with Brenna in the last bad end with Drew. That's pretty much everything that isn't vag that has happened so far.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I remember when Hunter said to Sterling that Lucia will be visiting, Hunter left the room and Sterling said that's great as he now has another three holes to watch (Lucia's ass,mouth and pussy) from Hunter/Drew. So in total that's 12 holes in total Sterling needs to protect from them
But am I right in saying that Hunter has only fucked the pussies of Ophela,Brenna,Catherine and Lucia. Hes not fucked their mouths or assess.
Am I right in saying this?

See Dartred's answer above, but let me add: technically Hunter hasn't fucked any of them (in canon), and Sterling may have two more holes to worry about protecting from Drew.

 

[dartred]

Of course, I refer to Drew and Hunters content in bad ends only. No scene from either really happens.

 

[Bruhtato]

that final bad end in chapter 11 is really sumn. I would have loved the whole scene if it wasn't Sterling, I understand it has to be that way for the ending and for it to be good but it don't sit right in my head. Gotta be the only bad end I can think of that jus don't sit right wit me. One side of me likes the concept, but then the fact bro was forced into it in that way got my head twisting.

Not a complaint, jus had to put inthe two cents about the scene since it was at the back of my mind, it stuck

 

[Bear2093]

Speaking of Hunter and bad ends, with only a handful of chapters left, will be interesting to see how desperate he becomes. If it wasn't against patreon rules, I could see him really forcing himself on the girls. One ending I can definitely see is, Hunter brainwashing Sterling to fall in line. Just like the last bad ending, except not turning Sterling female. That way you could have Drew, Hunter, and Sterling triple penetrate a girl (mouth,ass,pussy). It's either that or Kevin gets more involved these last few chapters cause I'd be surprised and a little disappointed if we didn't see at least one triple.

 

[Rabbit6605]

Decent futa x female and bestiality is nearly nonexistent in adult VNs, so I’m here for it. I personally don’t care for the Hunter scenes, but that doesn’t lessen my enjoyment of the amazing non-Hunter scenes.

All we need now is a full futa Ophelia side game where she plows Brenda a thousand times.

noooo.

 

[panzermaster]

More

I once thought about this and suggested a continuation of said what if 8 if you want to read it :

What if volume 8 part 2. What if Futa Ophelia after infiltrating the school as a librarian got more "ambitious" and became the principal of said estalbishment along with her girl to help her taking over? (Futa + harem + NTR)

A simple continuation of What if? 8 but on steroid. It would be funny to have Ophelia completing her dreams of authority by being the head of the school and this way she gets to have a constant amount of "fresh meat" to satisfy her lust... she was talking about taking over the world so he he he...

OF course she would forbids ANY relationship between man and women at said university in order to make the girl more frustrated and therefore "easier" to take them for herself.

I imagined Futa Ophelia would put her "main girl" in key position like this :

- Brenna becomes the leader of the cheerleader that acts like an absolute tease to other male student but never give them anything other than allowing them to look at her.

- Catherine and Amber are the cute nice student at the head of school clubs that are forbidden treasure to their male members,

- Aliza and Mallory becomes the unreachable milf teachers for their horny male student

- The indian nurse becomes the school nurse making sure that Ophelia rules about forbidden relationship are respected, etc.