Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[dartred]

Only some of the rooms have thin walls right? Otherwise everyone would have heard about everyone having sex.

Yeah, that's true. I guess Brenna's room is one of them. Though they did say Eva was especially a loud one too.

 

[DanteRed]

Oh man, so this bestiality thing will continue? I was really hoping it was a weird one off. I don't know what the fuck is happening lately with the NTR side but I'm really starting to miss the days when Hunter was the only threat. I don't mind Drew (basically a futa) being added, hell the only complaint that I have is that he was added too late to have any meaningful content now. And I'm still pissed that he had to share his NTR scene with Hunter.

But now we have bestiality, gender changes, even a bit of vore in chapter 10. I mean, this wasn't the most conventional game but at least it had very decent foreshadowing. However, the dog thing came out of nowhere, was unnecessary and basically ruined Rebecca, who is a minor character yes, but I liked her initial model and had some hope for her to be added to Sterling's ever expanding harem. Instead, she loses her virginity to douchebag Sterling (at least that part was foreshadowing that he is affected in a negative way by the drugs that Hunter keeps pumping into the house), she gets a shitty haircut and then we learn that she fantasizes about her dog.

 

[panzermaster]

Decent futa x female and bestiality is nearly nonexistent in adult VNs, so I’m here for it. I personally don’t care for the Hunter scenes, but that doesn’t lessen my enjoyment of the amazing non-Hunter scenes.

All we need now is a full futa Ophelia side game where she plows Brenda a thousand times.

That's pretty much what if 8.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Hoping to have more wgat ifs. With Drew.
And id like too see how Hunter and Drew corrupted other girls before they d this to Ophelia Brenna ect.

 

[AlphaBit]

Oh man, so this bestiality thing will continue? I was really hoping it was a weird one off. I don't know what the fuck is happening lately with the NTR side but I'm really starting to miss the days when Hunter was the only threat. I don't mind Drew (basically a futa) being added, hell the only complaint that I have is that he was added too late to have any meaningful content now. And I'm still pissed that he had to share his NTR scene with Hunter.

But now we have bestiality, gender changes, even a bit of vore in chapter 10. I mean, this wasn't the most conventional game but at least it had very decent foreshadowing. However, the dog thing came out of nowhere, was unnecessary and basically ruined Rebecca, who is a minor character yes, but I liked her initial model and had some hope for her to be added to Sterling's ever expanding harem. Instead, she loses her virginity to douchebag Sterling (at least that part was foreshadowing that he is affected in a negative way by the drugs that Hunter keeps pumping into the house), she gets a shitty haircut and then we learn that she fantasizes about her dog.

In short, some of the changes that the dev did recently to the NTR side are kind of weird but at the end of the day, it is his game. I'm not happy about it and I will state my point of view but I will still support him when I can since a bit of bad shouldn't blind us to the fact that this is still a decent game.

I liked her even more when she got an undercut idk why? But I find girls with undercut really hot and also Imo undercut suited her face more than the previous one and second reason could be that no girl in my country would dare get an undercut. Anyway so yeah I was shocked when she was used like that now she is nothing but a mere plot device to please the minority of his supporters.
And about ntr side getting a better piece of the cake, yeah I am noticing that too, I mean for a supposed harem game there are hardly any harem fans left on this thread but for a supposedly not an ntr game, the thread is full of ntr fans, I mean see the likes on 2nd last teasers Non ntr and last Ntr teasers post. Again this is not a post against anyones liking or disliking. It's just my observation about how the content is becoming more and more favoured towards ntr side and is attracting more ntr fans as compared to almost no harem fans. Could be that wwg don't have any harem fan supporters left on his patreon. He was already saying 80% of his income comes from "hunter" tier (an ntr tier basically) a few months ago.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

And about ntr side getting a better piece of the cake, yeah I am noticing that too, I mean for a supposed harem game there are hardly any harem fans left on this thread but for a supposedly not an ntr game, the thread is full of ntr fans, I mean see the likes on 2nd last teasers Non ntr and last Ntr teasers post. Again this is not a post against anyones liking or disliking. It's just my observation about how the content is becoming more and more favoured towards ntr side and is attracting more ntr fans as compared to almost no harem fans. Could be that wwg don't have any harem fan supporters left on his patreon. He was already saying 80% of his income comes from "hunter" tier (an ntr tier basically) a few months ago.

Let's remember that NTR has always been a part of this game. It's something the creator decided to include long ago, he didn't suddenly sell out one day and add it just to please paying supporters.

It's true that NTR fans are getting longer and more extreme scenes than before. But to be fair, every kind of scene is getting longer and more extreme. The NTR scenes don't cancel the fact that the majority of this game is still non-NTR content.

As someone financially supporting this game, I will tell you that I'm not an NTR fan per se. I just find the way it's presented in Power Vacuum to be entertaining because it's usually portrayed in either a humorous way, or a shockingly absurd way. I can't speak for all supporters, but I'd guess that a lot of them are like me and just find it funny. Honestly if it was done more "realistically", or if it was a fully developed "path", I might actively dislike it.

 

[dartred]

I liked her even more when she got an undercut idk why? But I find girls with undercut really hot and also Imo undercut suited her face more than the previous one and second reason could be that no girl in my country would dare get an undercut. Anyway so yeah I was shocked when she was used like that now she is nothing but a mere plot device to please the minority of his supporters.
And about ntr side getting a better piece of the cake, yeah I am noticing that too, I mean for a supposed harem game there are hardly any harem fans left on this thread but for a supposedly not an ntr game, the thread is full of ntr fans, I mean see the likes on 2nd last teasers Non ntr and last Ntr teasers post. Again this is not a post against anyones liking or disliking. It's just my observation about how the content is becoming more and more favoured towards ntr side and is attracting more ntr fans as compared to almost no harem fans. Could be that wwg don't have any harem fan supporters left on his patreon. He was already saying 80% of his income comes from "hunter" tier (an ntr tier basically) a few months ago.

I'm confused. What do you mean "supposed harem" game? How many girls is Sterling fucking? This game is harem. If you mean multiple girls fucking at the same time, that's an orgy. Harem means having lots of love interest and Sterling definitely has a lot of love interests. Also, NTR fans have been the majority supporters for as long as i can remember and i've been supporting for over 2 years out of the 3 this game has been in development. Overall, NTR content is still the minority content.

I get it though, people don't like seeing content they don't like being added to games. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not into gay content, but if Sterling gets gay content later, i won't complain. When content gets added that i don't like, it has nothing to do with me. I congratulation the people who are into, say it's not for me and move on.

 

[john984]

The 5 pages war started lol

 

[AnotherLurker]

I'm confused. What do you mean "supposed harem" game?

Your honor, the MC having sex with multiple women does not qualify it for the harem genre. As we all know, NTR is more dense than Harem. Moreover it contaminates gaijin content with its desu-levels. Thus, a game with any NTR content at all is an NTR game, no matter how much Harem it contains, in keeping with Donut Steele's Third Law of Cuckoldry. To prove it, drop the MC in a body of water. If he sinks, he's a cuck. If he floats...he's a witch!

This game is HARAM.

Based.

 

[dartred]

Your honor, the MC having sex with multiple women does not qualify it for the harem genre. As we all know, NTR is more dense than Harem. Moreover it contaminates gaijin content with its desu-levels. Thus, a game with any NTR content at all is an NTR game, no matter how much Harem it contains, in keeping with Donut Steele's Third Law of Cuckoldry. To prove it, drop the MC in a body of water. If he sinks, he's a cuck. If he floats...he's a witch!

Based.

Made me look at my post lol. Thought I actually put Haram.

 

[AlphaBit]

Let's remember that NTR has always been a part of this game. It's something the creator decided to include long ago, he didn't suddenly sell out one day and add it just to please paying supporters.

It's true that NTR fans are getting longer and more extreme scenes than before. But to be fair, every kind of scene is getting longer and more extreme. The NTR scenes don't cancel the fact that the majority of this game is still non-NTR content.

As someone financially supporting this game, I will tell you that I'm not an NTR fan per se. I just find the way it's presented in Power Vacuum to be entertaining because it's usually portrayed in either a humorous way, or a shockingly absurd way. I can't speak for all supporters, but I'd guess that a lot of them are like me and just find it funny. Honestly if it was done more "realistically", or if it was a fully developed "path", I might actively dislike it.

Yeah that's what I am saying that perhaps ntr was always the main theme of the game and harem was just there to make it more appealing to ntr fans.
And you not being an ntr fan doesn't prove or disprove my statement because you are not a harem fan either and I was clearly talking about them and not someone in between. And you watch them so that makes you more inclined towards the ntr side anyway.

I'm confused. What do you mean "supposed harem" game? How many girls is Sterling fucking? This game is harem. If you mean multiple girls fucking at the same time, that's an orgy. Harem means having lots of love interest and Sterling definitely has a lot of love interests. Also, NTR fans have been the majority supporters for as long as i can remember and i've been supporting for over 2 years out of the 3 this game has been in development. Overall, NTR content is still the minority content.

I get it though, people don't like seeing content they don't like being added to games. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not into gay content, but if Sterling gets gay content later, i won't complain. When content gets added that i don't like, it has nothing to do with me. I congratulation the people who are into, say it's not for me and move on.

I wasn't saying that it's not a harem game but that it have become a shitty harem game that a very few harem fans will like but a perfect ntr game, that any ntr fan can play and most of them will get their mind blown by how good it turned out to be. Of course wwg might not have intended it to be like this but unfortunately for harem fans it's the way the game turned out to be.

It's not just about burn out. 80% of the money my game brings in is from the What If? tier. If I were to drop the What Ifs? and spend 9 hours a day on the game, I'd be working 50% harder on the main game and earning less than half the money. My goal here is to make this venture worthwhile. If it isn't, I have to stop. The What Ifs? have proven to be a good way to monetize my free time whereas spending it on the main game hasn't.

 

[dartred]

Many NTR fans complain about the lack of NTR route and that NTR doesn't stick. They say how it's not true NTR because after your choices you are forced to go back the Vanilla route.

How does NTR scenes change how good the Harem side is? Can people tell me that have NTR off, have you guys enjoyed the game less?

 

[AlphaBit]

Many NTR fans complain about the lack of NTR route and that NTR doesn't stick. They say how it's not true NTR because after your choices you are forced to go back the Vanilla route.

How does NTR scenes change how good the Harem side is? Can people tell me that have NTR off, have you guys enjoyed the game less?

Idk if people are complaining about ntr much I certainly didn't see more than 3 to 4 complains about that here but I know for sure that this is the game with most ntr side projects and the game who inspired at least two if not more people to make their own ntr games. I mean how good a game needs to be with a certain tag to inspire other people to make their own games with that tag? I don't have to elaborate I guess. I have already said a few times that What? Why? Games next project imo with respect to current situation would be a fully fledged ntr game despite some saying that it will be a non ntr harem game. Which I find unrealistic/unbelievable considering how he himself admit that most of his earnings come from ntr fans and how good he is at presenting ntr genre, that many have expressed.

How does NTR scenes change how good the Harem side is? Can people tell me that have NTR off, have you guys enjoyed the game less?

I think the question should be "how much they enjoyed the harem side of this game compared to other harem games on this site."
And I would certainly like some honest opinions from "harem fans" playing this game if there are any left that is.

.....

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Yeah that's what I am saying that perhaps ntr was always the main theme of the game and harem was just there to make it more appealing to ntr fans.

I said "a part". You're exaggerating a little when you say "main theme". If you had said "major theme" I'd probably let it slide, but I'd say the main theme is "free love".

And you not being an ntr fan doesn't prove or disprove my statement because you are not a harem fan either and I was clearly talking about them and not someone in between. And you watch them so that makes you more inclined towards the ntr side anyway.

I wasn't trying to disprove what you said, but you seemed to imply a causal relationship between the makeup of PV's fanbase and the direction of the game, and I disagree with that assertion. However if that was not your intention then I apologize.

On a side note: you don't have to frame everything as binary, "NTR side" vs. "harem side" etc. I hope one day you may learn that some things don't have to be mutually-exclusive. I never said my opinion of harem content anyway, you only assumed it.

I wasn't saying that it's not a harem game but that it have become a shitty harem game that a very few harem fans will like but a perfect ntr game, that any ntr fan can play and most of them will get their mind blown by how good it turned out to be. Of course wwg might not have intended it to be like this but unfortunately for harem fans it's the way the game turned out to be.

I won't argue this because it's entirely subjective. But I do wonder if there are some NTR fans who are unhappy that this game doesn't have full-blown corruption paths. The brief tangents into NTR could be unsatisfying if someone wanted a deeper experience. Just a thought!

What? Why? Games said:

It's kind of odd to quote that when he's not even doing What If's anymore. I suppose you could say that the Dream Scenes are similar enough for your point to be the same. I would disagree though, the Dream Scenes are much smaller/shorter, and I haven't especially liked them, and yet I continue to support at the top tier. Why would I continue to do that? Maybe I just like this game, NTR or not. Again, I'm not saying this to argue, but to get you to consider another perspective.

 

[dartred]

Also you can't blame WWG for making the what ifs or dream scenes NTR. As stated before, A poll is held and the community suggests / votes what he has to make.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Also you can't blame WWG for making the what ifs or dream scenes NTR. As stated before, A poll is held and the community suggests / votes what he has to make.

If I could offer an analogy...

There's a well-known phenomenon where a movie director makes both "mainstream" films and "artistic" films. The mainstream films pay the bills so that the artistic films can even be made at all. It would be nonsense to begrudge the director for sometimes "catering to mainstream audiences", it's simply understood that bills gotta get paid! In a sense, we can think of the NTR scenes and side content (What Ifs, Dream Scenes, wallpapers) like the mainstream films; the financial support for their creation allows for the main game to be made. WWG ain't gonna work for free!

Now after saying that, there's also a slight chicken-and-egg paradox with this game: NTR content attracted NTR fans, who in turn vote for more NTR (side) content. As I said in my earlier post, NTR was always part of the game, but its initial inclusion may have triggered a feedback loop. It begs the question though: why don't vanilla/harem/etc. fans out-vote the NTR fans? Are they generally so intolerant of the (optional) NTR that they won't support a game that includes it? Are they just younger (on average) with less disposable money to give to porn creators? I'm curious.

 

[TGafy]

Idk if people are complaining about ntr much I certainly didn't see more than 3 to 4 complains about that here but I know for sure that this is the game with most ntr side projects and the game who inspired at least two if not more people to make their own ntr games. I mean how good a game needs to be with a certain tag to inspire other people to make their own games with that tag? I don't have to elaborate I guess. I have already said a few times that What? Why? Games next project imo with respect to current situation would be a fully fledged ntr game despite some saying that it will be a non ntr harem game. Which I find unrealistic/unbelievable considering how he himself admit that most of his earnings come from ntr fans and how good he is at presenting ntr genre, that many have expressed.

I think the question should be "how much they enjoyed the harem side of this game compared to other harem games on this site."
And I would certainly like some honest opinions from "harem fans" playing this game if there are any left that is.

You called it out yourself: "ntr side projects" are side projects. Their not a part of the main game and as long as the main game keeps ntr as the minority non-canon content, I'm good with that. As for the game inspiring others to create their own stories, it could be said that it's because they felt the main game was lacking ntr content and wanted to fill the void. Whether or not the next project will be ntr, that's your speculation. It's late and I won't bother looking for it, but iirc wwg said his next project wouldn't have ntr. That's what we've been going on.

As a "harem fan", I can tell you my opinion with the game. I know what I like and dislike. Being someone that dislikes ntr, I had it switched off from the start and it doesn't bother me a bit. I honestly don't understand how people that don't like some thing specifically chooses that same thing. It's like knowing a boiling kettle is hot and instead of lifting it by the handle they insist on grabbing the sides.

 

[dartred]

You called it out yourself: "ntr side projects" are side projects. Their not a part of the main game and as long as the main game keeps ntr as the minority non-canon content, I'm good with that. As for the game inspiring others to create their own stories, it could be said that it's because they felt the main game was lacking ntr content and wanted to fill the void. Whether or not the next project will be ntr, that's your speculation. It's late and I won't bother looking for it, but iirc wwg said his next project wouldn't have ntr. That's what we've been going on.

As a "harem fan", I can tell you my opinion with the game. I know what I like and dislike. Being someone that dislikes ntr, I had it switched off from the start and it doesn't bother me a bit. I honestly don't understand how people that don't like some thing specifically chooses that same thing. It's like knowing a boiling kettle is hot and instead of lifting it by the handle they insist on grabbing the sides.

Yeah, he did say his next game would not have NTR, but he said that 2 years ago. It shouldn't surprise anyone if he changed his mind in those 2 years.

 

[AlphaBit]

Yeah, he did say his next game would not have NTR, but he said that 2 years ago. It shouldn't surprise anyone if he changed his mind in those 2 years.

I would definitely be surprised.

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[Dr. Javi]

That's pretty much what if 8.

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