Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Only1P]

I think the overall message of this game seems to be about how a big dick is secondary to self improvement and treating women with the respect they deserve, Hunter might have a mind breaking dick for example doesn't change the fact he treats women like objects, prizes to be won over, and ultimately makes their lives worse by fucking them, which someone who would care about them on an emotional level, such as Sterling is trying to set up, would find repugnant.

I don't think so, although yeah the difference between Hunter and Sterling's approach to "women" cant be ignored, it seems like they similarly end up in the same situation, with the girls madly in love, staying willingly etc, I mean the contrast is present no doubt but there doesnt seem to be any overarching allegory to drive it.

 

[lipe2410]

Lol, people are so thirsty for NTR that they don't even recognize MC's after 11 fucking chapters

 

[FoolishFool0]

I don't think so, although yeah the difference between Hunter and Sterling's approach to "women" cant be ignored, it seems like they similarly end up in the same situation, with the girls madly in love, staying willingly etc, I mean the contrast is present no doubt but there doesnt seem to be any overarching allegory to drive it.

I want to believe there is something deeper in this story.

It's what CS Lewis would have wanted. And also Dante Alighieri of course.

 

[storm1051787]

I don't think so, although yeah the difference between Hunter and Sterling's approach to "women" cant be ignored, it seems like they similarly end up in the same situation, with the girls madly in love, staying willingly etc, I mean the contrast is present no doubt but there doesnt seem to be any overarching allegory to drive it.

I don't think the girls end up madly in love with Hunter. He basically just forces them to become depend on him

 

[What? Why? Games]

Yeah isn’t that just wishful thinking at this point, take for example Tiff, it makes 0 sense for her to be in the bad end in Ch 11 primarily because she kinda knows about Hunters schemes and the arc with her mother got resolved by MC, she doesn’t necessarily have to play the maid by now, so what’s left? Was she crawling willingly to Hunters “trap”

Zero sense? Tiff knows less than 1% of Hunter's schemes. He made a creepy offer to her, Sterling has made unspecified warnings about him, and she found alarming but not sinister drugs underneath his bed. And she still needs money for nursing school. Just because one giant debt has been paid doesn't mean she's dropping a job paying ten times any other entry level job.

 

[FoolishFool0]

Zero sense? Tiff knows less than 1% of Hunter's schemes. He made a creepy offer to her, Sterling has made unspecified warnings about him, and she found alarming but not sinister drugs underneath his bed. And she still needs money for nursing school. Just because one giant debt has been paid doesn't mean she's dropping a job paying ten times any other entry level job.

Obviously, we can all agree the real villain of this story is, therefore, Capitalism, and the way it forces young men and women into exploitative work to survive and get a better life for themselves.

 

[Only1P]

Zero sense? Tiff knows less than 1% of Hunter's schemes. He made a creepy offer to her, Sterling has made unspecified warnings about him, and she found alarming but not sinister drugs underneath his bed. And she still needs money for nursing school. Just because one giant debt has been paid doesn't mean she's dropping a job paying ten times any other entry level job.

1% is a stretch including Sterling's warning to not get too close, after all it doesn't really matter the fact that she's suspicious of Hunter combined with Sterling suddenly disappears in a swoop should be enough to connect the dots.

All in all, there's a clear overreliance on the characters being "not so bright" to put it lightly I mean I literally thought one of Hunter's substances is supposed to subtract intelligence units in the brain where the girls get infinitely dumber whenever he appears and it starts to feel more and more detached as the chronological events get crazier.

In Chapter 1 when Sterling witnesses Hunter literally rearranging Ophelia's buttcheecks I was like "ok suspension of disbelief" I mean it clearly canonically happened considering Sterling's response, but its getting old by now...

Lucia is bae

 

[What? Why? Games]

Whatever you say, buddy.

 

[Skode]

Nora is finally here - we got an old bastard eye popping in a toupee, fucked a woman insane as a clown, got conflicted hardons over a great set of tits with a massive dick, went full nazi on a receptionist and even a dog got its rocks off on screen... all before the GILF arrived. WWG has never disappointed but damn has it been so long waiting for the chance of finally getting THREE generations of family fun in the game with Lucia, Keira and Nora the absolute dream team. I hope this game never ends as it is really starting to hype things up now! That is not including it taking a good eleven chapters for meet the girlfriends hot family (we aint even met all of those yet, surely there is more than just a couple of chapters left of story to tell and scenes to see)

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

Guys, should be clear by now that any form of constructive criticism is a bad thing regarding this VN.
Accept it as it is and if you don't like where it is going, look elsewhere.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

a situation where the girls kinda fucking love it but also feel exploited or trapped. Instead of “I love my dad he’s not creepy at all”

and its fine cause its a porn game after all.

Part of the appeal of this game (for me at least) is that the characters are more developed and have more interesting personalities than in a lot of games. It makes them endearing and easy to get attached to, which can be hard to reconcile when they can end up as eager sex slaves to a disgusting villain. If the women can be controlled through sex, and are willing to accept any partner who can fuck their brains out, then that would diminish their value as love interest characters.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're disappointed/frustrated that the game doesn't portray the women falling prey to Hunter (pun intended) in a more believable way, and I get that. Honestly this is why I can't wait to find out more about how Nora and Keira were seduced, and more importantly how they feel about it now.

I think we need to remember several things: Hunter's financial leverage; his employment of mind-altering drugs; and at the end of the day, this is a porn game, and a comedic one at that, which requires some willing suspension of disbelief.

 

[What? Why? Games]

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're disappointed/frustrated that the game doesn't portray the women falling prey to Hunter (pun intended) in a more believable way, and I get that.

But anyone expecting that has completely missed the style in which Power Vacuum's NTR operates. The NTR has never been a character study. It's never been about fraught, conflicted emotions. It's ALL about the nightmarish spectacle. If you're wondering where the soap opera inner monologues are while an old man hypno-rapes his gender bent former grandson, you're playing the wrong game.

 

[undervbd]

Is there an approximate date for chapter 12?

 

[CrazyRabbit]

If you're wondering where the soap opera inner monologues are while an old man hypno-rapes his gender bent former grandson, you're playing the wrong game.

The kind of sentence we will never hear (unfortunately) during a State of Play or Xbox Showcase... but maybe there's a hope for a Blizzcon, they said worse already.

 

[undervbd]

I don't know why they're arguing, but for me it's one of the best games I've ever played. Especially the NTR scenes.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

But anyone expecting that has completely missed the style in which Power Vacuum's NTR operates. The NTR has never been a character study. It's never been about fraught, conflicted emotions. It's ALL about the nightmarish spectacle. If you're wondering where the soap opera inner monologues are while an old man hypno-rapes his gender bent former grandson, you're playing the wrong game.

I read you. In case I was unclear, I'm only trying to say I can empathize, not that I share the opinion.

I like a little story in my porn, not the other way around!

 

[Only1P]

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're disappointed/frustrated that the game doesn't portray the women falling prey to Hunter (pun intended) in a more believable way, and I get that. Honestly this is why I can't wait to find out more about how Nora and Keira were seduced, and more importantly how they feel about it now.

Thats the exact reason for me stating that "its not as deep as one would assume" and honestly it never would be because it doesnt matter how shallow it gets or contradictive, if it denies the spectacle, its out.
Even though it makes so little sense for a character to get all the way to a point that its blatantly unbelievable it doesnt matter as long as it highlights the spectacle, its inconsistent at best and jarring at worst.

But anyone expecting that has completely missed the style in which Power Vacuum's NTR operates. The NTR has never been a character study. It's never been about fraught, conflicted emotions. It's ALL about the nightmarish spectacle. If you're wondering where the soap opera inner monologues are while an old man hypno-rapes his gender bent former grandson, you're playing the wrong game.

Thanks for proving my point.
Keep cooking.

 

[What? Why? Games]

Thats the exact reason for me stating that "its not as deep as one would assume" and honestly it never would be because it doesnt matter how shallow it gets or contradictive, if it denies the spectacle, its out.
Even though it makes so little sense for a character to get all the way to a point that its blatantly unbelievable it doesnt matter as long as it highlights the spectacle, its inconsistent at best and jarring at worst.



Thanks for proving my point.
Keep cooking.

You know something being a spectacle doesn't mean it doesn't have depth, right? I think that was your point, it's hard to tell with you.

But, ehh, for the last two years I think I've disagreed with everything you've ever said in this thread. I used to correct you but I've grown tired of it. Your reading comprehension is poor and you postulate wildly about NTR just to be incendiary. I'm tired of reading your attempts at being provocative. I mean, you actually think your chide about Hunter using IQ subtracting drugs makes sense when Hunter uses significantly worse reality warping drugs? You're exhausting and I'm just gonna put you on ignore.

 

[storm1051787]

Yeah isn’t that just wishful thinking at this point, take for example Tiff, it makes 0 sense for her to be in the bad end in Ch 11 primarily because she kinda knows about Hunters schemes and the arc with her mother got resolved by MC, she doesn’t necessarily have to play the maid by now, so what’s left? Was she crawling willingly to Hunters “trap” also in What if 7 was the ultimate opportunity to explore this kind of dynamic, a situation where the girls kinda fucking love it but also feel exploited or trapped. Instead of “I love my dad he’s not creepy at all”



Its not the case though, none of the bad ends ever tackled this topic, the girls are never pushed to a point where they're "forced" to do the things that they do its always 100% agreed upon once the UB is inside, actually the only bad end that makes sense to me is the one with Lucia in Ch 8 because it exactly fits her character's personality and also consistent with the events introduced in the story, im just saying that the whole "competition aspect" of this VN is not as deep as you think, and its fine cause its a porn game after all.

In like all the bad ending the girls are drugged out of their minds before they do anything with hunter in the first place. Then he swoops in before they come to their senses and by then it's already to late. It's not love it's brainwashing

 

[AnimeHentaiGamer]

i love the ntr so much in this game. i hope the next update has a long ntr scene.