johnpouljones

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I'm playing part 5. I wanted to get rid of Mallory. I let her go. I was glad she got into Hunter. It took me back to the beginning of the scene. I've been through it three times and I can't get out of this circle. I want to leave Mallory for Hunter. This is my choice. How to do it?
 

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I'm playing part 5. I wanted to get rid of Mallory. I let her go. I was glad she got into Hunter. It took me back to the beginning of the scene. I've been through it three times and I can't get out of this circle. I want to leave Mallory for Hunter. This is my choice. How to do it?
If you want to continue after a bad end, you have to accept the other choice. No way about it.
 

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You can't blame WWG for making scenes with characters that never interacted before. Those were suggested and voted for on his patreon. WWG even made a rule that Ophelia, Cath and Brenna could be used multiple times for Last Chance suggestions, unlike every other character.

He gave the community every opportunity to make more Ophelia if they wanted, but the community didn't vote for it. So again, WWG isn't to blame as he let it up to his members to decide what extra scenes we wanted.
I mean he didn’t have to allow pairings that made no sense to be in his polls. At some point it’s his game and he could’ve made an artistic choose to not include scenes like that. So I mean yeah anyone upset over the random scenes can definitely blame him, it’s ultimately his choice.

Same problem as when people tried to vote for NTR couplings that have literally never met or interacted, at some point as the dev he can say “no that doesn’t make sense”.
 
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johnpouljones

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Then this game is not for you I'm afraid. The only choices you have as a player is the sequence in which the scenes unfold, and wether you want to actually see the bad ends or not. But besides from that, the story is linear. You have to follow it as-is in order to progress.
Unfortunately, you may be right. I play various linear games, but there I always have the opportunity to choose which characters I accept and which I do not. If I'm got two choices and it has no effect, it's not even a game. It's a visual novel. A 3d comic book.
 

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I mean he didn’t have to allow pairings that made no sense to be in his polls. At some point it’s his game and he could’ve made an artistic choose to not include scenes like that. So I mean yeah anyone upset over the random scenes can definitely blame him, it’s ultimately his choice.

Same problem as when people tried to vote for NTR couplings that have literally never met or interacted, at some point as the dev he can say “no that doesn’t make sense”.
The whole point and very description of the last chance pole was "last chance to see characters paired that otherwise would never have been in the main game".

that's exactly why some pairs "don't make sense" or "have never interacted before", because that's the point.
 

Dr. Javi

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You can't blame WWG for making scenes with characters that never interacted before. Those were suggested and voted for on his patreon. WWG even made a rule that Ophelia, Cath and Brenna could be used multiple times for Last Chance suggestions, unlike every other character.

He gave the community every opportunity to make more Ophelia if they wanted, but the community didn't vote for it. So again, WWG isn't to blame as he let it up to his members to decide what extra scenes we wanted.
That isn't really a fair point. WWG as the dev is solely responsible for what gets put in the game. Patrons not voting a particular way doesn't preclude him from adding whatever he wants including more Sterling x Ophelia sex scenes. If you add up all the sex scenes in the game, how many were the result of a Patreon vote? I'm guessing not many.

This is, unfortunately, the same problem that plagues most adult VNs, especially incest VNs. Having sex with the mom or some other main love interest is saved for near the end of the game because it's the most obvious and easy thing to do from a writing standpoint. But once you get there, now what? If it's one of the end goals then we are, by definition, now at the end of the game.

NLT somewhat offsets this with booty calls in his games. Lewdlab added sandbox scenes for the same reasons. I wish it were more common to have stories where we could get to the sex scenes with the main love interests closer to the halfway point than 80-90% to the end.
 
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johnpouljones

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Your choice is play or don't. Not every story has to give you a million choices. As a matter of fact almost all of them don't.
You don't need a million. Just a few are enough. We play the same games and you know how it works. I like this LI and I keep playing with her. Another is rejected. This is at least minimal control over the situation.
 

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You don't need a million. Just a few are enough. We play the same games and you know how it works. I like this LI and I keep playing with her. Another is rejected. This is at least minimal control over the situation.
And that level of choice makes the dev's job a lot harder, every future scene has to be rewritten, or there's almost no interaction between LIs. It's imo an unreasonable workload to put on a devteam of what is usually just 1. If you get it, appreciate it, but if you don't either accept it or move on.

Personally I prefer they not offer choices and spend that time coding/rendering more scenes with the LIs in the game, cause I'm picking all of them no matter what.
 
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dartred

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That isn't really a fair point. WWG as the dev is solely responsible for what gets put in the game. Patrons not voting a particular way doesn't preclude him from adding whatever he wants including more Sterling x Ophelia sex scenes. I
It's completely a fair point. i'm only talking about last chance and why it is what it is and why he shouldn't be blamed for them.

read the quote in my post. he's complaining about what pairing made it. which is what i counter argued. WWG had no control over what pairing made it through last chance poll.

now why he didn't do MORE Ophelia x Sterling is a different argument. I'm only defending last chance discussion.
 
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Dr. Javi

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It's completely a fair point. i'm only talking about last chance and why it is what it is and why he shouldn't be blamed for them.

read the quote in my post. he's complaining about what pairing made it. which is what i counter argued. WWG had no control over what pairing made it through last chance poll.

now why he didn't do MORE Ophelia x Sterling is a different argument. I'm only defending last chance discussion.
WWG sets the parameters. He decides what the options are. Of course, we can be happy or unhappy with what wins the votes but he can decide on whether, say, Tsukiko x Ophelia is even a possibility.

I'm not a Patron and it doesn't really matter to me. I just want more Ophelia in my life. And Brenna. And Aliza. And Keira. And Eva. And Lucia. And Drew to fuck them all.
 
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