frefdre

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Oh hell no! We aren't white washing all of Drew's part in this again.

When Sterling confronted Drew about the drugs, Drew's surpriced about how hard was Hunter going after Sterling and then he said that what Hunter was doing was for 'level 10 threats' they have a system, Drew knows exactly what drugs to use in what tipe of people. They've been doing that to different families for YEARS, there's blood in Drew's hands just as much as Hunter's.
Agreed, and these drugs are highly sophisticated and completely alter your rational thinking. With some that can selectively alter men or women, example being the nurse not being affected. Drew being aware and taking advantage of Hunter's seemingly billion dollar pharmaceutical empire built on homewrecking makes her irredeemable in my opinion. Its not that Drew is any better, she just lacks Hunter's inhuman ambition to be a sex god.
 

Fayn Arawn

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Oh hell no! We aren't white washing all of Drew's part in this again.

When Sterling confronted Drew about the drugs, Drew's surpriced about how hard was Hunter going after Sterling and then he said that what Hunter was doing was for 'level 10 threats' they have a system, Drew knows exactly what drugs to use in what tipe of people. They've been doing that to different families for YEARS, there's blood in Drew's hands just as much as Hunter's.
Think about that word "threats". It doesn't make sense to call a man defending his family a threat. Hunter obviously has no compunctions at all about drugging people, but we know Drew has at least some objections. It's easy to imagine Hunter creating a narrative about "neutralizing threats" just so Drew would cooperate. Remember that Hunter is the mastermind and has been manipulating/brainwashing Drew since childhood. He doesn't tell her everything, only what he thinks she needs to know. Should Drew be smart enough to see through Hunter's lies? Yes, but that's her story arc: finally seeing Hunter for what he is and breaking away from him.
 

obibobi

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Not as an insult (though I do find it odd). More an observation as to why you lose your shit on the subject.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with self-inserting. That's just normal observation of a story.
The comment that kicked this off was nothing but insults, with the cuck fans agreeing, so lets not lie. As for lose your shit your doing that thing where you imagine the other side screaming at the screen, I do not imagine you are doing that so common courtesy.

No that is self inserting. That is how writers create entertainment, especially for sex games which revolve heavily around creating scenario's the audience would want to be in, whether its fucking hot women, fucking hot men or being the cuck. If you think otherwise instead saying "uh-uh" if you are not drawing entertainment from empathising with the character or situation they are in, what is it?
 
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obibobi

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What if someone self-inserts as the bull?

What if someone is a sadist who likes to watch the protagonist suffer?

What if someone is a misogynist who likes to watch women cheat to confirm his views on their inherent unfaithfulness?
Well yeah, the idea of preferring to see things from another characters point of view or self inserting as other characters is very common, when they have a character they prefer over the protagonist. Think of the legion of women who self insert as Emma Watson's character from Harry Potter. But if that was the case they would be arguing for things to be for perspective of the character they prefer, if they want more NTR then they want things to be from the perspective of the cuck.
 
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Fayn Arawn

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Well yeah, the idea of preferring to see things from another characters point of view or self inserting as other characters is very common, when they have a character they prefer over the protagonist. Think of the legion of women who self insert as Emma Watson's character from Harry Potter. But if that was the case they would be arguing for things to be for perspective of the character they prefer, if they want more NTR then they want things to be from the perspective of the cuck.
Your thesis seems to be that the audience has to pick one character to empathize with. I am saying they can empathize with more than one, or even none at all. Why cant you empathize with my point of view? :cry:
 

Negan22

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What if someone self-inserts as the bull?

What if someone is a sadist who likes to watch the protagonist suffer?

What if someone is a misogynist who likes to watch women cheat to confirm his views on their inherent unfaithfulness?

:WeSmart:
What if they know these things but would be less disgusted by a cuck than someone who's into these things?

What makes these things better than being a cuck?
 
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Negan22

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Don't misunderstand me, I'm not making moral comparisons. I'm merely pointing out that there are other perspectives beyond the naive "alpha/cuck" binary.
So you are not trying to stop people from disliking the content that you like or encourage them to like it, you are just trying to evade the cuck label?

Well ok... I do think many if not most people here like ntr and shit because of the reasons that you stated but that doesn't make me or anyone else like it.

Also I do think trying to project yourself to a third person (that hardly makes an appearance in an optional NTR game) other than the MC is actually weirder than projecting yourself as the MC, it makes it feel like you are more needy/compromised than someone who self insert as the bull MC and avoid beta MCs (this is definitely easier).
 
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Fayn Arawn

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So you are not trying to stop people from disliking the content that you like or encourage them to like it, you are just trying to evade the cuck label?

Well ok... I do think many if not most people here like ntr and shit because of the reasons that you stated but that doesn't make me or anyone else like it.
Don't worry, it was never about trying to get vanilla fans to like NTR. It's about getting anti-NTR people to shut up with their accusations. Accusations which I suspect may really be psychological projections of their own insecurities, but that's just my amateur opinion.

Also I do think trying to project yourself to a third person (that hardly makes an appearance in an optional NTR game) other than the MC is actually weirder than projecting yourself as the MC, it makes it feel like you are more needy/compromised than someone who self insert as the bull MC and avoid beta MCs (this is definitely easier).
I think I get what you mean, but again, this is the last place people should be moralizing. Stories about suffering and betrayal can appeal to someone for various reasons, regardless of how you feel about that, or if you even understand it at all.
 

Snugglepuff

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Also I do think trying to project yourself to a third person (that hardly makes an appearance in an optional NTR game) other than the MC is actually weirder than projecting yourself as the MC
We are a "third-person" though.
You're not Sterling. None of us are. Nothing in this story happens to us.

it makes it feel like you are more needy/compromised than someone who self insert as the bull MC and avoid beta MCs (this is definitely easier).
That's rhetorical nonsense.
 

strenif

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The comment that kicked this off was nothing but insults, with the cuck fans agreeing, so lets not lie. As for lose your shit your doing that thing where you imagine the other side screaming at the screen, I do not imagine you are doing that so common courtesy.

No that is self inserting. That is how writers create entertainment, especially for sex games which revolve heavily around creating scenario's the audience would want to be in, whether its fucking hot women, fucking hot men or being the cuck. If you think otherwise instead saying "uh-uh" if you are not drawing entertainment from empathising with the character or situation they are in, what is it?
Ya... No.

As far as insults go. 'Let's not lie.'
This thread goes back years, and it's full of Anti-NTR people insulting anyone who enjoys the bad ends in PV.
Don't get testy when the people being insulted push back.

On the subject of empathy vs self-inserting. You're conflating two different experiences.

Self-insertion
  • This involves seeing or placing oneself directly into the character's role within the narrative.
  • Often driven by a desire to personally experience the fictional world or interact with its characters.
  • As the reader progresses through the events of the story. The reader is imagining themselves experiencing these events.
Empathizing
  • This involves understanding and sharing the feelings, thoughts, and experiences of a character without necessarily becoming them.
  • It's about observing and processing the character's situation and emotions from their perspective, even if those feelings aren't entirely familiar or comfortable to the reader.
  • Empathy allows the reader to connect with the character on an emotional level, caring about their journey and their struggles.
In essence, self-insertion focuses on placing yourself into the story, while empathy involves understanding the character's experience from within their own frame of reference, without necessarily making their burdens your own. Empathy allows for connection and understanding while maintaining a degree of separation, fostering a sense of shared experience rather than complete integration within the narrative.

Your conflation of the two, really falls short given that this is an incest game.
Stating that people who enjoy NTR content are 'cucks' is concerning because the logic of your argument implies that you enjoy incest content because you want to fuck your mom.

I'm going to assume that isn't true. And in fact you enjoy incest games not because you find your own mother sexually attractive. But because you enjoy taboo breaking.

All this is to say.

Maybe don't kink shame people.
 

Gwimmly

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It's wild to see grown men becoming not only possessive (over what is essentially a cluster of pixels) but also emotionally fragile regarding what transpires in-game.

So we can assume that while viewing porn, not being active in the scenes would make EVERYONE a cuckold since they're watching from home?

Yeah, that's just fucking retarded.
Woahhh hold up there BUDDY boy. Brenna isn't just some pixelated piece of meat she's much more than that :HideThePain: respect her!!! Please god...let us one day be able to bring digital women to life :KEK:
 

Fayn Arawn

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Okay all that stuff is great and all but does anyone know if WWG has finally been tried for war crimes by only showing Ophelia in these two outfits only one goddamn time
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It might be fun to do a tier list of each character's outfits, to pass the time while we wait for the update. :unsure:
 
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