Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[AlwaysJustM]

There are definitely people who have a cuckold kink, because cuckold porn exists.

I genuinely may be mixing up the definitions, lol. I thought NTR was basically getting cheated on, betrayal. The person getting NTR'd, like Sterling would be in the story, does not want it nor enjoy it if it happens.

That's why I said it wouldn't be a kink because for Sterling (or any person being NTR'd) it wouldn't be a turn on. I thought it by definition had to be something the victim was not into.

I thought Netori (feels spelled wrong) was "sharing" like the Diddler. Being into watching your partner with someone else. That's what I thought "cuckold" porn was.

I may have it all mixed up. My apologies to any shame victims. We all dogs here! I just would not even know how to process the idea of wanting to watch things happen to you that you don't want to happen to you... but it seems sad.

No, no, you're doing it wrong. You need to hug their woman in front of them, whilst they're chained down in chastity and gagged.

Yeah! THIS is what I thought the NTR fantasy was.

 

[Jakers15@]

Yes we know something but you could also search for it instead of asking for it.

There are many pages and I do not support the developer, despite liking and sharing their work.

 

[obibobi]

Your thesis seems to be that the audience has to pick one character to empathize with. I am saying they can empathize with more than one, or even none at all. Why cant you empathize with my point of view?

No it doesn't, people just have favorites and typically want more of that. People typically don't want pov of characters they dislike.

Because I don't like you

 

[obibobi]

Self-insertion

Empathizing

In essence, self-insertion focuses on placing yourself into the story, while empathy involves understanding the character's experience from within their own frame of reference, without necessarily making their burdens your own. Empathy allows for connection and understanding while maintaining a degree of separation, fostering a sense of shared experience rather than complete integration within the narrative.

Your conflation of the two, really falls short given that this is an incest game.
Stating that people who enjoy NTR content are 'cucks' is concerning because the logic of your argument implies that you enjoy incest content because you want to fuck your mom.

I'm going to assume that isn't true. And in fact you enjoy incest games not because you find your own mother sexually attractive. But because you enjoy taboo breaking.

All this is to say.

Maybe don't kink shame people.

People self insert to some degree through empathy, no you do not need to place yourself in the story, much media designed as a self insertion fantasy has characters with well defined personalities, of course you also have blank slates like Link or Joker.

Your right, liking NTR doesn't make you a cuck, but its technically the cuck fetish so its the only word I could use to describe it, same way this you say the incest fetish and yes most probably don't like the idea of their actual loved one's being fucked by others like genuine cucks.

But don't play the anti-NTR thing, ntr is infamous as a troll tactic.

As for why people dislike it. Imagine taking a hero and having them badly beat, not in a, they lost a tough fight, but in an emasculating, mocking way, they take Goku and they officially have Superman ram the American flag up his ass and its canon to the manga and then he bangs chi chi,

Goku is a character a lot of people live vicarously through, so its like an insult to them.

People just don't like to see characters they like be degraded and being cucked is degrading.

 

[Greengoblinhobgoblin]

Has Chapter 13 not been released yet? Did the developer give up on the project after the last chapter? Does anyone know anything?

Dev is thinking about next excuse, until then abandoned.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Think about that word "threats". It doesn't make sense to call a man defending his family a threat. Hunter obviously has no compunctions at all about drugging people, but we know Drew has at least some objections. It's easy to imagine Hunter creating a narrative about "neutralizing threats" just so Drew would cooperate. Remember that Hunter is the mastermind and has been manipulating/brainwashing Drew since childhood. He doesn't tell her everything, only what he thinks she needs to know. Should Drew be smart enough to see through Hunter's lies? Yes, but that's her story arc: finally seeing Hunter for what he is and breaking away from him.

It doesn't make sense to call a man defending his family a threat? It does if you're the threat. Drew's only objections is that he's blood related with Ophelia and the rest... that's it, and only the women too, his objection towards Sterling being drugged is that he thought he was a push over.

And if Drew TRULY has been destroying families with drugs along side Hunter and never saw anything iffy about the 'threats' he's carrying a few dozen extra chromosomes.

 

[Snugglepuff]

That's why I said it wouldn't be a kink because for Sterling (or any person being NTR'd) it wouldn't be a turn on. I thought it by definition had to be something the victim was not into.

It's a bit of both, depending on the scenario being presented.
As a kink type in porn it's basically got subcategories that include the viewer being a third-party viewer/traditional experience, but there's also pov stuff where the fantasy being presented is the viewer being cucked.
Like with big boobs - Some like big naturals, some like big fake bimbo tits.

I thought Netori (feels spelled wrong) was "sharing" like the Diddler. Being into watching your partner with someone else. That's what I thought "cuckold" porn was.

Netori is that, but not strictly just watching.

We all dogs here!

"Some" more than others...

I just would not even know how to process the idea of wanting to watch things happen to you that you don't want to happen to you...

Nor do I really.
I just leave it at knowing it exists, what it is, and knowing I don't personally like it.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Imagine taking a hero and having them badly beat, not in a, they lost a tough fight, but in an emasculating, mocking way,

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Guts from Berserk?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

It doesn't make sense to call a man defending his family a threat? It does if you're the threat. Drew's only objections is that he's blood related with Ophelia and the rest... that's it, and only the women too, his objection towards Sterling being drugged is that he thought he was a push over.

And if Drew TRULY has been destroying families with drugs along side Hunter and never saw anything iffy about the 'threats' he's carrying a few dozen extra chromosomes.

Our knowledge of Drew comes mostly from Hunter's mouth, but he's a liar; partly from David's journal, but he's a liar; and partly from Sterling's perception, but he's an idiot. There is a writing concept called "the unreliable narrator" that may be at play here.

Besides those, we have Drew's behavior, and to me her reactions seem good-natured and incongruous with her villainous reputation.

 

[Gwimmly]

I genuinely may be mixing up the definitions, lol. I thought NTR was basically getting cheated on, betrayal. The person getting NTR'd, like Sterling would be in the story, does not want it nor enjoy it if it happens.

That's why I said it wouldn't be a kink because for Sterling (or any person being NTR'd) it wouldn't be a turn on. I thought it by definition had to be something the victim was not into.

I thought Netori (feels spelled wrong) was "sharing" like the Diddler. Being into watching your partner with someone else. That's what I thought "cuckold" porn was.

I may have it all mixed up. My apologies to any shame victims. We all dogs here! I just would not even know how to process the idea of wanting to watch things happen to you that you don't want to happen to you... but it seems sad.



Yeah! THIS is what I thought the NTR fantasy was.

Gotta remember it's a kink of the PLAYER(who may or may not be self inserting themselves as mc) not the MC themselves. It can definitely evoke emotions, but like i have said before we have to be able to separate our wants in reality from our wants in porn

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Our knowledge of Drew comes mostly from Hunter's mouth, but he's a liar; partly from David's journal, but he's a liar; and partly from Sterling's perception, but he's an idiot. There is a writing concept called "the unreliable narrator" that may be at play here.

Besides those, we have Drew's behavior, and to me her reactions seem good-natured and incongruous with her villainous reputation.

...Where did you get the idea that David is a liar?

Also, did you know that predators first get close to the pray to attack? Usually they conceal themselves so they can get close, and if that totally inocuous pile of hay on the ground has a few skulls strung around it, one has to wonder. Unless you wanna tell me 'no Drew isn't even part of Hunter's business' or 'Nah, Hunter's business can't be that bad, he's just exagerating'.

Drew could still totally get that redemtion arc that so many are clamoring for but the whole 'he's innocent in this' yeah, I'm not buying, he is what would have happened to Sterling had he said yes to Hunter's offer at the beguining of the game.

 

[Snugglepuff]

...Where did you get the idea that David is a liar?

Having an affair with Drew behind Ophelia's back not enough of a clue?

 

[Gwimmly]

Our knowledge of Drew comes mostly from Hunter's mouth, but he's a liar; partly from David's journal, but he's a liar; and partly from Sterling's perception, but he's an idiot. There is a writing concept called "the unreliable narrator" that may be at play here.

Besides those, we have Drew's behavior, and to me her reactions seem good-natured and incongruous with her villainous reputation.

I wish i had an argument as good as this for Sean, but he just had to go level 9000 super raper mode right off the bat

 

[FoolishFool0]

I'd like to point out, that the whole "point" of the game is that this is a "harem" story with "ntr" bad endings only because we are following Sterling's story specifically. He is the POV character and protagonist, so the "morality" of the pairings presented in the story is entirely hinged around him and him alone.

Had this story expected you to identify as Hunter for the sex scenes, then it would have been a NTR game with non canon "good" endings, as in you the protagonist Hunter get cucked over and over again by your far stronger and far younger adult grandchild as you get foiled at every occasion by him, but as is the story, pretty blatantly, expects you to not identify as the "NTRer" except for scenes where Sterling is doing the cucking to other male characters, like Amber's Dad, or Kevin with Aliza with the cameras.

That's, like, how NTR/Cuck porn ultimately works, and given how this game is ultimately an analysis of the genre, it's pretty substantially set up as such here.

 

[SuddenReal]

much media designed as a self insertion fantasy has characters with well defined personalities

But the whole point of self insertion is that you insert yourself in the story. If it's a character with a well defined personality, you're less inclined to do so, because the odds that you have the exact same personality so it makes sense in the story is very, very slim. Ergo, the more defined the personality, the less suited for self-insertion.

 

[iheartsizedds]

Abandoned?

 

[Greengoblinhobgoblin]

Abandoned?

Yes.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

...Where did you get the idea that David is a liar?

Obviously from cheating on his wife. And to a lesser extent a lie of omission about fucking his mom.

Also, did you know that predators first get close to the pray to attack? Usually they conceal themselves so they can get close, and if that totally inocuous pile of hay on the ground has a few skulls strung around it, one has to wonder. Unless you wanna tell me 'no Drew isn't even part of Hunter's business' or 'Nah, Hunter's business can't be that bad, he's just exagerating'.

That logic is straight out of 1692 Salem. All we have is circumstantial evidence and heresay. Sure, it COULD be true, but we don't have proof. Don't fall victim to Drew Derangement Syndrome.

Drew could still totally get that redemtion arc that so many are clamoring for but the whole 'he's innocent in this' yeah, I'm not buying, he is what would have happened to Sterling had he said yes to Hunter's offer at the beguining of the game.

I don't think Drew is innocent per se, just that she's not as bad as we are lead to believe. I'm reserving judgement until we get more concrete facts. If she can't be redeemed, maybe she can go out like Darth Vader, sacrificing herself to kill Hunter or something.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Having an affair with Drew behind Ophelia's back not enough of a clue?

Yeah, also the not talking about fucking his mom or not talking about the incident with Hunter, the comment I responded to was talking about David's journal and for some reazon I thought that the journal was ALL the information we had on David still and the rest just kinda slipped my mind, my bad Fayn.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Yeah, also the not talking about fucking his mom, the comment I responded to was talking about David's journal and for some reazon I thought that the journal was ALL the information we had on David still and the rest just kinda slipped my mind, my bad Fayn.

Uh... I'm not Fayn Arawn.