Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[SuddenReal]

Cause it's BS to allow NTR but not allow incest.

The problem isn't NTR, it's the way Hunter achieves his goals. The use of drugs, non-consent and coercion is all against the TOS of Patreon. Which, I know, is also standard in other games (hell, everything Hunter does, is what the MC does in any generic incest game), but those haven't gotten reported yet. While PV was reported because someone doesn't like the NTR in the What If's, the complaint isn't NTR.

 

[tramtoriana2]

I don't think any game she plays is real. Except this game, it's called Cherish These Times.

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why it is abandonetd cherish these times

 

[Omegablade21]

The problem isn't NTR, it's the way Hunter achieves his goals. The use of drugs, non-consent and coercion is all against the TOS of Patreon. Which, I know, is also standard in other games (hell, everything Hunter does, is what the MC does in any generic incest game), but those haven't gotten reported yet. While PV was reported because someone doesn't like the NTR in the What If's, the complaint isn't NTR.

non-consent and coercion is the backbone of NTR though

 

[Omegablade21]

why it is abandoned

LAZY developer.

 

[dartred]

can you prove it?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

non-consent and coercion is the backbone of NTR though

No, one character's love interest fucking another character who isn't them is the backbone of NTR.

Sometimes this happens through force or coercion, but other times it's consensual between the characters fucking. The jealous character isn't required to "consent" to who their love interest fucks.

All I'm trying to say is while people may find NTR distasteful, it's not inherently "problematic" from Patreon's point of view.

EDIT: One thing I find especially ridiculous about Patreon's TOS is they seem to take issue with characters using hypnosis or mind control powers to have sex. As if those were real things people might be inspired to do.

 

[dartred]

Yeah, it might not be real, but they have to make sure the participants were willing. Gotta make sure we don't violate fake peoples rights or something.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I also find it interesting that their

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section for "18+ creations and mature themes" puts limits on sexual content, but doesn't have limits on (non-sexual) violent content:

"However, we have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors). This is true for illustrated, animated, or any other type of creations. Patreon reserves the right to review and remove accounts that may violate this guideline.

We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish creations, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish creations that are hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."

Does that mean one could make a game full of graphic violence and gore against women, children, and animals, and that's totally fine just as long as it's not sexual? Imagine the reaction to a dog fighting game or a school shooting game.

 

[dartred]

Oh yeah, something that just happened with another creator on Patreon. They are getting rid of young LOOKING. If your character is under a certain height, certain breast size, FUCKING HEAD TO BODY RATIO (actually listed), it now goes against TOS. This is new, this creator got warned on the 1st of this month.

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un-Fun fact, Marty is the same guy reviewing WWGs game lol.

 

[partner33]

I also find it interesting that their

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section for "18+ creations and mature themes" puts limits on sexual content, but doesn't have limits on (non-sexual) violent content:

"However, we have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors). This is true for illustrated, animated, or any other type of creations. Patreon reserves the right to review and remove accounts that may violate this guideline.

We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish creations, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish creations that are hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."

Does that mean one could make a game full of graphic violence and gore against women, children, and animals, and that's totally fine just as long as it's not sexual? Imagine the reaction to a dog fighting game or a school shooting game.

Well Patreon is an American company so it goes without saying that the standard American hypocrisy applies, namely that most forms of violence is okay but most forms of sexual activity is not.

 

[Omegablade21]

Well Patreon is an American company so it goes without saying that the standard American hypocrisy applies, namely that most forms of violence is okay but most forms of sexual activity is not.

Blame it on the hypocrisy of Christianity and the Church.

 

[Omegablade21]

Oh yeah, something that just happened with another creator on Patreon. They are getting rid of young LOOKING. If your character is under a certain height, certain breast size, FUCKING HEAD TO BODY RATIO (actually listed), it now goes against TOS. This is new, this creator got warned on the 1st of this month.

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un-Fun fact, Marty is the same guy reviewing WWGs game lol.

It's not so new as you think the Creator of Shag the Hag was trying to make a sequel years ago and Patreon threatened a violation because a female character looked too "young"

 

[incest lover m/s]

Blame it on the hypocrisy of Christianity and the Church.

the fault lies with the false moralists

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Blame it on the hypocrisy of Christianity and the Church.

I used to, back in the '90s. "Won't somebody please think of the children!"

These days it seems to come from progressive types who think we can't tell fantasy from reality.

 

[Omegablade21]

No, one character's love interest fucking another character who isn't them is the backbone of NTR.

Sometimes this happens through force or coercion, but other times it's consensual between the characters fucking. The jealous character isn't required to "consent" to who their love interest fucks.

All I'm trying to say is while people may find NTR distasteful, it's not inherently "problematic" from Patreon's point of view.

EDIT: One thing I find especially ridiculous about Patreon's TOS is they seem to take issue with characters using hypnosis or mind control powers to have sex. As if those were real things people might be inspired to do.

True however it's often through blackmail or some other means that the character cheats in the first place. Can't remember seeing that many "animes" featuring that subject where the characters aren't either forced, drugged, blackmailed, or mind controlled into cheating. about the only possible way NTR occurs where it wouldn't be a service violation is if the character was neglected by their SO and even than rarely do they actually consensual agree to cheat.

 

[Allan Wolf]

I used to, back in the '90s. "Won't somebody please think of the children!"

These days it seems to come from progressive types who think we can't tell fantasy from reality.

if so then they should ban various types of movie genres especially horror movies like the chainsaw massacre lol

 

[Omegablade21]

if so then they should ban various types of movie genres especially horror movies like the chainsaw massacre lol

Can't Hollywood won't let them do it Hollywood controls the Media and the Government. but doesn't stop them from targeting Video games though. Pretty sure Politicians tried banning GTA about 3 or so times.

 

[lemonfreak]

Afaik WWG already has plans for a second game and he knows that it won't break any Patreon guideline. So for him it's worth to try to bypass all the censoring. Still, I don't really see how can you change some things in the game, mainly the whole Hunter and blackmailing stuff.
Also I may be a half empty kind of guy, but I honestly see at the very minimum a month delay. Those fucks at Patreon aren't exactly know for their work discipline.

Please remember that 'Those fucks at Patreon' are also victims of the payment processors; if they didn't ban certain content then they would lose the ability to recieve payment through PayPal, itself a victim of Visa and MasterCard. Sex Positive Gaming has a video related to this which you might want to check out

 

[Fayn Arawn]

True however it's often through blackmail or some other means that the character cheats in the first place. Can't remember seeing that many "animes" featuring that subject where the characters aren't either forced, drugged, blackmailed, or mind controlled into cheating. about the only possible way NTR occurs where it wouldn't be a service violation is if the character was neglected by their SO and even than rarely do they actually consensual agree to cheat.

You're probably right, although there are exceptions obviously, but I wonder why consenting NTR is less common/popular? Is it because it creates anger against the cheating character, when they're a willing participant instead of a helpless victim? Does it create more shame for the main character, because of feelings of inadequacy that caused them to "lose" the one they desire?

 

[Allan Wolf]

Can't Hollywood won't let them do it Hollywood controls the Media and the Government. but doesn't stop them from targeting Video games though. Pretty sure Politicians tried banning GTA about 3 or so times.

if porn games somehow made a profit for these hypocrites i doubt they would try to ban them