Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Gambit33]

Yeah! Using drugs and fucking some guy's entire family is only okay when the MC does it!

Nice strawman argument. This is a porn game not a morality tale, some deviance from expected moral norms (you know, those silly little things that keep society from devolving into a hellish nightmare, anymore that it already is) is expected.

You want to say the mc is a hypocrite, have at it, but his crimes does not excuse what Hunter and Drew did. That excuse does not fly in any court of law.

Really Hunter and Drew are running an international prostitution ring. Here is a question, when Hunter was finally telling the truth he admitted remorse at not having groomed his daughter sooner.

So who wants to bet some of his victims are underage? And Drew is okay from turning them into prostitutes and profiting of the ruination of their lives. Let that sink in, these two are profiting from child prostitution.

Usually when someone is clutching at pearls on this site, I would be the first to tell them, to watch a horror movie or a war movie, and ask them why is it more acceptable to watch human beings being dismembered and eviscerated than porn.

But forgive me from drawing the line at brainwashing entire families (including possibly kids) into being essentially sex slaves for Hunter and Drew.

Yeah sex slaves forced to prostitute themselves, something tells me Hunter and Drew would not react to kindly to someone attempting to leave the business, would they?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Nice strawman argument.

"I do not think that word means what you think it means..."

So who wants to bet some of his victims are underage? And Drew is okay from turning them into prostitutes and profiting of the ruination of their lives. Let that sink in, these two are profiting from child prostitution.

Objection: facts not in evidence.

But forgive me from drawing the line at brainwashing entire families (including possibly kids) into being essentially sex slaves for Hunter and Drew.

Yeah sex slaves forced to prostitute themselves, something tells me Hunter and Drew would not react to kindly to someone attempting to leave the business, would they?

That's not how it works. Try reading Hunter's confession again.

 

[Gambit33]

"I do not think that word means what you think it means..."


Objection: facts not in evidence.


That's not how it works. Try reading Hunter's confession again.

Something tells me you don't know the definition of the strawman fallacy. Look it up.

Next point: Hunter outright tells you that he brainwashes entire families wives and daughters. I don't think he much cares if any of the daughters are minors.

All the while Drew is happily managing his international prostitution ring.

Next time provide some cogent counter arguments.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Something tells me you don't know the definition of the strawman fallacy. Look it up.

Next point: Hunter outright tells you that he brainwashes entire families wives and daughters. I don't think he much cares if any of the daughters are minors.

All the while Drew is happily managing his international prostitution ring.

Next time provide some cogent counter arguments.

You've got a pretty good vocabulary, but I'm not sure about your reading comprehension when it comes to my comments or this game's story.

If I'm guilty of any fallacy here it would be whataboutism. A straw man would be if I try to argue your assertion with an unrelated point, e.g. you might say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I might say "You just hate Hunter"; this would be a straw man. On the other hand, if you say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I say "Sterling is also guilty of X", I'm not necessarily trying to refute your assertion, merely trying to get you to think about the story in this game from a larger perspective.

The age of consent varies from place to place; in Iceland (the only country we specifically know where Hunter seduced a family) it's 15 years old. As for whether Hunter and Drew are seducing minors in those other families? While I wouldn't put it past them, we don't actually know, so stop guessing.

Yes, Hunter and Drew are running a prostitution ring and profiting from it, but Hunter (under the influence of the truth drug) makes it sound like the women are willing participants who are keeping a decent share of their earnings, which is a far cry from brainwashing. It's easy to moralize about prostitution and paint all the women as victims, but some women freely choose it and to claim otherwise robs them of agency. We also don't know the legality of it where all the other families are, except the first one in (aforementioned) Iceland, where paying for sex is illegal but being a prostitute is not.

Sterling is effectively doing the same things Hunter and Drew did, i.e. fucking someone else's (Caspian's) entire family, using drugs even (Kumiko's "truth" serum). He's also been "prostituting" Brenna, himself, Catherine, and soon the rest of his family by having sex on camera for money. These are obvious parallels in this story, so condemning Hunter and Drew while dismissing Sterling would be oblivious at best and hypocritical at worst.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

After chapters 6-8, there is not a single normal character in this game. everyone is whores and manwhores. let's just close the topic

 

[Gambit33]

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You've got a pretty good vocabulary, but I'm not sure about your reading comprehension when it comes to my comments or this game's story.

If I'm guilty of any fallacy here it would be whataboutism. A straw man would be if I try to argue your assertion with an unrelated point, e.g. you might say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I might say "You just hate Hunter"; this would be a straw man. On the other hand, if you say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I say "Sterling is also guilty of X", I'm not necessarily trying to refute your assertion, merely trying to get you to think about the story in this game from a larger perspective.

The age of consent varies from place to place; in Iceland (the only country we specifically know where Hunter seduced a family) it's 15 years old. As for whether Hunter and Drew are seducing minors in those other families? While I wouldn't put it past them, we don't actually know, so stop guessing.

Yes, Hunter and Drew are running a prostitution ring and profiting from it, but Hunter (under the influence of the truth drug) makes it sound like the women are willing participants who are keeping a decent share of their earnings, which is a far cry from brainwashing. It's easy to moralize about prostitution and paint all the women as victims, but some women freely choose it and to claim otherwise robs them of agency. We also don't know the legality of it where all the other families are, except the first one in (aforementioned) Iceland, where paying for sex is illegal but being a prostitute is not.

Sterling is effectively doing the same things Hunter and Drew did, i.e. fucking someone else's (Caspian's) entire family, using drugs even (Kumiko's "truth" serum). He's also been "prostituting" Brenna, himself, Catherine, and soon the rest of his family by having sex on camera for money. These are obvious parallels in this story, so condemning Hunter and Drew while dismissing Sterling would be oblivious at best and hypocritical at worst.

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And that would be fine if it was voluntary.

When Drew confronts Hunter about the methods he used (drugging) he admonished him for going "defcon1" when in Drew's opinion the mc does not warrant that reaction, moreover Drew was pissed that Hunter used those methods on family, not that those methods were distasteful to Drew.

That tells me that if Drew or Hunter set their sights on a family, that had a male figure that was not easily coerced, they would go to almost any lengths to get him to comply.

Let me reiterate, the methods employed by Drew and Hunter are the same that cults use to brainwash people.

The fact that the women later profit from being turned into prostitutes does nothing to change the fact that they did not do so of their own free will.

As for Drew and Hunter forcing minors into prostitution? They would definitely do it if they had the opportunity, and we don't know that they don't.

So stop assuming that they don't, when they had the motive(pleasure and financial gain), opportunity(statistically some of the daughters of the families they targeted must be underage) and desire to do so(Hunter admitted as such).

 

[Fayn Arawn]

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And that would be fine if it was voluntary.

When Drew confronts Hunter about the methods he used (drugging) he admonished him for going "defcon1" when in Drew's opinion the mc does not warrant that reaction, moreover Drew was pissed that Hunter used those methods on family, not that those methods were distasteful to Drew.

That tells me that if Drew or Hunter set their sights on a family, that had a male figure that was not easily coerced, they would go to almost any lengths to get him to comply.

Let me reiterate, the methods employed by Drew and Hunter are the same that cults use to brainwash people.

The fact that the women later profit from being turned into prostitutes does nothing to change the fact that they did not do so of their own free will.

As for Drew and Hunter forcing minors into prostitution? They would definitely do it if they had the opportunity, and we don't know that they don't.

So stop assuming that they don't, when they had the motive(pleasure and financial gain), opportunity(statistically some of the daughters of the families they targeted must be underage) and desire to do so(Hunter admitted as such).

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't! Let me point out there are multiple instances of Hunter saying that he always wanted to fuck Ophelia but that he had been waiting for her to turn 18. So I invoke "Hitchens' Razor" until we have actual evidence.

Speaking of minors, what are your thoughts about Nora sleeping with David and with Drew when they were both underage?

 

[Gambit33]

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't! Let me point out there are multiple instances of Hunter saying that he always wanted to fuck Ophelia but that he had been waiting for her to turn 18. So I invoke "Hitchens' Razor" until we have actual evidence.

Speaking of minors, what are your thoughts about Nora sleeping with David and with Drew when they were both underage?

I don't think it was a case of Hunter waiting for Ophelia to turn 18. It was more a case of his wife still being alive, and keeping Hunter in check.

In Davids case (is it confirmed that he was underage at the time?) it could be seen as statutory rape.

In Drew's case, Drew was an active participant who more than likely initiated the entire situation, more than likely with Hunters coaching, since Hunter viewed him as his successor.

 

[pinkie96]

I don't think it was a case of Hunter waiting for Ophelia to turn 18. It was more a case of his wife still being alive, and keeping Hunter in check.

Hunter says during his confession that the plan was always to bring Ophelia into the bedroom and that he could've had both Ophelia and Annabelle sucking his balls while watching wheal of fortune.

 

[SuddenReal]

while watching wheal of fortune.

Say what you want, but the man has his priorities straight.

 

[dartred]

he got doxxed on ntr discord
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wow, the part that makes me most happy is the bottom. There is actually a police investigation on him? That's great. He cost so many people money, but i don't think anything will happen to him and it's going to make him feel more entitled to mass report.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

he got doxxed on ntr discord
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Which discord did this happen in?

 

[Kingkoopa97]

degenerado portugal NTR, private discord

Was just curious so I know to never fuck with that Internet Sleuths in there

 

[Fayn Arawn]

degenerado portugal NTR, private discord

I appreciate the self-deprecating name.

 

[px305]

he got doxxed on ntr discord
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Im never going to look at NTR haters the same after this

 

[panzermaster]

does anyone have any theories on how this last chapter will end

I do have an NTR possibility that would make it the ultimate NTR (I can repost it if you are interested). Even worse than the one we have already seen before.

But from the little I have seen, I dont think it will go in that direction... for now

 

[panzermaster]

i hope the chapter 13 will NOT have such an extrem brutal NTR ending like chapter12

Oh I have worst version of that... if you want to read it...

 

[fidgetspinner]

wow, the part that makes me most happy is the bottom. There is actually a police investigation on him? That's great. He cost so many people money, but i don't think anything will happen to him and it's going to make him feel more entitled to mass report.

As much as I am a NTR supporter (audit my log and you'll see) and That dude did horrible shit, committing a crime toward an asshole doesn't make you a good guy. This ain't a comic book, nobody here is batman. Doxxing should not be acceptable. Plus let's be fair here, we all know this game ain't kosher to Patreon TOS. I don't support attacking people's livelihood, far from it, but if you live on the edge assume the risk you might fall.

 

[dartred]

As much as I am a NTR supporter (audit my log and you'll see) and That dude did horrible shit, committing a crime toward an asshole doesn't make you a good guy. This ain't a comic book, nobody here is batman. Doxxing should not be acceptable. Plus let's be fair here, we all know this game ain't kosher to Patreon TOS. I don't support attacking people's livelihood, far from it, but if you live on the edge assume the risk you might fall.

Yeah, i'm not happy about him being doxxed like that, but he has only himself to blame for all the enemies he made. How many games has he tried to shut down? how many games DID he get shut down? For what? Because he hates a genre and could have chosen to avoid it rather than ruin other peoples livelihood?

To be fair, the versions that are on Patreon now ARE following TOS. What gets added from an outside source should not be used against them. look at this very recent example. This game is under review and it links to F95. Even if the dev doesn't make incest patches, just because there is a thread for the game, it now means you are breaking TOS for patreon. that's bullshit.

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[TigerWolfe]

Yeah, i'm not happy about him being doxxed like that, but he has only himself to blame for all the enemies he made. How many games has he tried to shut down? how many games DID he get shut down? For what? Because he hates a genre and could have chosen to avoid it rather than ruin other peoples livelihood?

To be fair, the versions that are on Patreon now ARE following TOS. What gets added from an outside source should not be used against them. look at this very recent example. This game is under review and it links to F95. Even if the dev doesn't make incest patches, just because there is a thread for the game, it now means you are breaking TOS for patreon. that's bullshit.

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It really bothers me that 'Kris' says "I have also listed a few example posts below" and then only provides one link... 1 is not a few 'Kris'!