Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Fayn Arawn]

That said the only character I would call actually brainless is Flora.

You make a lot of good points, but what've you got against Flora?

She's a loving single mother with unconventional views on clothing, she has a successful career in the culinary industry, she's a cancer survivor, and she's very open and casual about sex.

 

[Gwimmly]

YES!!! Sterling is the MOST drugged out of all of them!!!

He was a shrimp, he was breast height with Ophelia and Brenna now he's taller than both of them and suprice surprice Hunter had human growth hormone stowed away. If Hunter wasn't personalising the cocktails he was giving out and just putting everything in one pot to give out to the entire family then at least Cath should have hit a growth sprout as well.

And in one conversation with Drew, Hunter explicitly stated that he was gonna add a drug that 'only worked on males'.

Lucia was sure she avoided being drugged because she caught Hunter trying to drug her and, guess what? She also got drugged. Props to Lucia btw she was the only one to actually realise that she was being drugged... after like 7 chapters of sexual escalation.

Do I think Sterling is kinda retarded? Yes, both him and Lucia should have sussed out that there was a lot in their behaviour was because of the drugs despite them knowing about it and I suppose avoiding some of the dosage. But on the other hand I don't know how much thinking (without your dick) I can ask out of someone that is constantly High (on what probably is mostly aphrodisiacs), as someone that went to a liberal arts college I can tell you I've lowered my expectations on that a bit.

That said the only character I would call actually brainless is Flora.

Alright then you convinced me. As the hero of the story who has always loved the girls, Sterling should definitely be cut some slack I think it was said that he never really felt anything sexual towards the girls before he left the household right? I mean even if he did it wouldn't change anything I guess since he never acted on any of those thoughts. This is why I can't wait to see the the epilogues. Surely WWG is going to remove the drugs from the equation right? So that it shows us a more unartificial type of love/lust relationship between them all. But I will say that as an NTR enjoyer as well, I'd like to see some ntr epilogues for the antagonists where the girls weren't under the effects of the drugs any longer yet they still ended up doing shit with Hunter. Yeah I get it, the only thing holding them together is the crazy horniness that the drug provides. That's what i guess the what ifs are for though right lol. But yeah Sterling has it in the bag, he's the only one who has formed real loving relationships with all of the girls throughout his whole life. Without the aphrodisiacs being ingested any longer(even if there was to be some lingering long-term side effects from them) I think the love shared between them will overide everything else. Love finally being the frontrunner instead of lust. Sure they might want to get dirty once in a while but hey that's okay.


Edit: Also how dare the girls gawk at the new strapping young household member!! I dont give a shit if they were under the influence!! Brenna I frigging loved you, you damn whoreee!!!

 

[Harminthus]

do we know of anymore beast scenes coming?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

do we know of anymore beast scenes coming?

Clues from the teasers suggest Ophelia will get the Cerberus treatment this time.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

You make a lot of good points, but what've you got against Flora?

She's a loving single mother with unconventional views on clothing, she has a successful career in the culinary industry, she's a cancer survivor, and she's very open and casual about sex.

THAT, she years of experience in the kitchen in a professional setting...

Spoiler: This is what bothers me.

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I give all the characters in this story a lot of passes because they are either constantly high (the main family) or the drugs appear to be THAT strong

Spoiler: From these examples.

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but Flora is literally the one person in the cast (barring amber's sisters) that has never been drugged since she's never stepped foot on the main family's home.

 

[lightpower]

sorry guys but is there no more version of the game where you have to grind (I don't remember the technical term)? is it only visual novel now? thanks

 

[Fayn Arawn]

THAT, she years of experience in the kitchen in a professional setting...

Spoiler: This is what bothers me.

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I give all the characters in this story a lot of passes because they are either constantly high (the main family) or the drugs appear to be THAT strong

Spoiler: From these examples.

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but Flora is literally the one person in the cast (barring amber's sisters) that has never been drugged since she's never stepped foot on the main family's home.

I don't know much about wine or cooking, but perhaps some wines are unsuitable for cooking while still being fine to drink? If not, we'll just have to suspend disbelief for this, because it served the plot: it reminds us there's something different about that wine, while splashing Ophelia creating a reason for her to get naked, and then both women drinking it and becoming aroused enough to fool around.

I'm imagining you yelling "no, don't drink that!" like someone watching a horror film shouting "no, don't go in the basement!".

 

[Gwimmly]

sorry guys but is there no more version of the game where you have to grind (I don't remember the technical term)? is it only visual novel now? thanks

Download the mandatory patch on the first page

 

[lightpower]

Download the mandatory patch on the first page

I even search before write this but where is it? sorry

 

[Satou Pendragon]

I even search before write this but where is it? sorry

In the OP under "Uncensored Patch" ? o_0 Or did you block 7767?

 

[lightpower]

In the OP under "Uncensored Patch" ? o_0 Or did you block 7767?

I don't see that can you link it please?

 

[Satou Pendragon]

I don't see that can you link it please?

It's right there...

but if you still can't "find" it even now then

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[SuddenReal]

It's right there...

I don't see any yellow arrows on the front page... Where exactly are they?

 

[Satou Pendragon]

I don't see any yellow arrows on the front page... Where exactly are they?

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Alright then you convinced me. As the hero of the story who has always loved the girls, Sterling should definitely be cut some slack I think it was said that he never really felt anything sexual towards the girls before he left the household right? I mean even if he did it wouldn't change anything I guess since he never acted on any of those thoughts. This is why I can't wait to see the the epilogues. Surely WWG is going to remove the drugs from the equation right? So that it shows us a more unartificial type of love/lust relationship between them all. But I will say that as an NTR enjoyer as well, I'd like to see some ntr epilogues for the antagonists where the girls weren't under the effects of the drugs any longer yet they still ended up doing shit with Hunter. Yeah I get it, the only thing holding them together is the crazy horniness that the drug provides. That's what i guess the what ifs are for though right lol. But yeah Sterling has it in the bag, he's the only one who has formed real loving relationships with all of the girls throughout his whole life. Without the aphrodisiacs being ingested any longer(even if there was to be some lingering long-term side effects from them) I think the love shared between them will overide everything else. Love finally being the frontrunner instead of lust. Sure they might want to get dirty once in a while but hey that's okay.

First, the NTR endings on ch13 are supposed to be the NTR epilogues IIRC.

And on the stopping the drugs front, yeah, I've been saying that for a while now, there was a scene all the way back to chapter 1 or 2 where Sterling sleeps with Cath in her room and they just lay down while Cath talks to him about the memories she had with him before he bailed, and it was genuenly sweet (even if by that point that was 100% sibling bonding and I suppose a reazon for Sterling to want to protect his family)... there haven't been many moments like that, moments that feel 100% genuine and by that I mean 'didn't happened because of drugs', the only other scenes I remember like that were a scene were MC and Brenna have a talk under a tree (Brenna stomped on that scene by the end thoug) and when MC reveals to Ophelia that a weirdly big bank deposit just appeared on her account was his doing and Ophelia overwhelmed with joy just looks at him in the eyes, and kisses him, not a deep kiss, not a makeout session, just a sincere kiss, feels weird that that moment stands out in my head as one of the most intimate moments with Ophelia when they were already ass fucking at the time, heck the close up of her relieved face while tearing up is damn sexy.

Spoiler: ophelia

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But yeah, if the ending involves the family going 'ok, let's not stop using this aphrodisiac drugs because it's just too good.' I'm out, entire story ruined for me at that point, that's basically saying that Hunter was right all along, and I'm kinda worried because from the teasers they are still using that shit to spice up the fucking only fans.

And I really REALLY want more romance and tender moments in this game:
I want a moment where Brenna actually feels safe and content with Sterling.
I want a moment where Sterling shares a bit on Cath's enthusiasm with her pregnancy.
I want more moments like the one I showed with Ophelia.
I don't know a moment where Aliza is panicking over a weight gain and Sterling consoles her.
Eva or Amber talking with Sterling and just sincerelly going 'if this hadn't happen, you think we would have been a normal couple?'
Nora and Kira deserved SO MUCH MORE screen time, stranged family forced to take distance over horrid circumstances coming back and recconecting would have been amazing but they were relegated to appear until the second to last chapter. (just cut Rebecca, and Flora, and may God forgive me Amber's family)

I don't know much about wine or cooking, but perhaps some wines are unsuitable for cooking while still being fine to drink? If not, we'll just have to suspend disbelief for this, because it served the plot: it reminds us there's something different about that wine, while splashing Ophelia creating a reason for her to get naked, and then both women drinking it and becoming aroused enough to fool around.

I'm imagining you yelling "no, don't drink that!" like someone watching a horror film shouting "no, don't go in the basement!".

First of all, if you opened a packet of bubble gum and one of them falls down and fucking explodes would you just go 'meh' and pop another one in your mouth?

And it was more of a 'are you fucking kidding me?' reaction, and that's because... suspencion of disbelief is wearing kinda thin by this point, I already told you there are a lot of moments that feel really stupid but I'm always just going 'ok, they're heavily drugged' or 'it's ok, it was for a bit, you can act retarded for a joke from time to time' this was the point were no excuse I told myself could justify it. Worst part is that it makes me question the rest of the story 'ok, did the Dev didn't actually thought out this too much, he's actually just putting random scenes just to "justify" scenes he wanted to put in already?'

 

[AlwaysJustM]

Alright then you convinced me. As the hero of the story who has always loved the girls, Sterling should definitely be cut some slack I think it was said that he never really felt anything sexual towards the girls before he left the household right? I mean even if he did it wouldn't change anything I guess since he never acted on any of those thoughts. This is why I can't wait to see the the epilogues. Surely WWG is going to remove the drugs from the equation right? So that it shows us a more unartificial type of love/lust relationship between them all.


Edit: Also how dare the girls gawk at the new strapping young household member!! I dont give a shit if they were under the influence!! Brenna I frigging loved you, you damn whoreee!!!

Honestly, the only thing I have against Sterling is how hypocritical and self-righteous he can be. It's not what he does as much as how he judges others for doing the same things.

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Brenna stands out as far as her feelings. I think more than anyone else Brenna and Sterling's relationship, at least from Brenna's side, was beyond the influence of the drugs. Surprisingly, Brenna is actually the sweetheart of the cast. She actually instigates Sterling having sex with her best friend and covers for him to do it with no personal benefit. She's cool about how inappropriate they are about it. She likely could find any guy to do her OF with but chooses Sterling. She never demeans him. She buys him a toy to help with his problem which he then messes up and costs her all her toys. She tolerates him disrespecting her boundaries repeatedly "trying to be the cool older sister" up until he tries to force her to give him a blow job. Then the drugs make her let it go and get over it, and Sterling, knowing exactly why she's acting so strangely, acts like SHE was out of line being upset and cutting him out of the OF stuff and SHE apologizes, lol. And of course, the big one being actually healing his dick again without personal benefit.

She actually always looks out for Sterling, and Catherine and even Ophelia, probably more than any other person in the story and she's the only one that ever seems to act selflessly. Even her worst moments, the clerk and Eileen, are motivated by defending her family (her career actually would potentially benefit from being exposed, but Ophelia and Catherine obviously wouldn't). For some reason, she is the only one that ever seems to be held accountable, though. I mean Catherine, Sterling, and Ophelia all sexually assault her and she never let's them have it. She's the only one genuinely messed up by what she does because of the drugs and feels guilty. Yet, she gets treated worse in story for blackmailing a potential blackmailer and assaulting someone that intended to assault Catherine, among other things. I really don't know why so much bad stuff happens to her, lol.

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Anyway, just about everyone else has an almost entirely self-centered to selfish relationship with each other. Brenna very often acts selflessly. Her biggest issue with Sterling was that he hurt Catherine by leaving...

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So, all this says to me that Brenna cares about Sterling A LOT and it shows up outside of the drugs' influence seemingly no matter how poorly he treats her. Catherine obviously cares about Sterling also but it's really hard to distinguish because she's just too childish and immature and shouldn't be anywhere near sex since she knows nothing about it outside of the drugs influence. But, even she shows more selfless love for Brenna than Sterling does, lol. Brenna doesn't verbally express her affection, and Sterling really ONLY shows it verbally. He never really does anything that isn't completely in his own best interest. It's just that occasionally his best interest is in the interest of others. But when it comes down to his interest being against others wishes he ALWAYS picks himself, especially with Brenna, Ophelia, and Catherine, so it's hard to really see his 'love' for them being anything beyond the pretense any guy puts on when trying to have sex with someone. Even the main driver of the story being that he wanted to protect them really ends up just being he wanted them for himself as he does worse things to each of them than Hunter intended. The only reason the relationships are OK is because they end up not getting mad at him, not because he actually treats them well.

Ultimately I think Sterling probably has the least genuine feelings, even Hunter seems more genuine surprisingly. Brenna definitely. Probably Catherine. Ophelia and Sterling just seem to use each other. Their relationship is basic familial affection, but it rarely seems to be beyond just filling their personal needs although it seems those desires are there without the drugs when you compare them with Brenna or Lucia. Amber probably really does like Sterling, she probably would be more upset with him if the drugs weren't involved. Same with Tiff. Mallory probably would without the drugs as well because she doesn't seem to be acting out of character at all. Even with Eva or Aliza. Lucia is the wildcard. She's surprisingly selfless with helping Sterling but impossible to read otherwise.

I still wouldn't be surprised if Sterling ends up the villain in the end. He seems more like a corruption arc than romance.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

But yeah, if the ending involves the family going 'ok, let's not stop using this aphrodisiac drugs because it's just too good.' I'm out, entire story ruined for me at that point, that's basically saying that Hunter was right all along, and I'm kinda worried because from the teasers they are still using that shit to spice up the fucking only fans.

I think we've only seen the gas canisters in two teasers: once with Lucia eyeing them, and again with Eileen also looking at them. I assume Lucia will use them because she gets a thrill from "controlling" people as if she were playing a video game. And Eileen is basically a villain, but I'm not sure what her scheme might be.

Spoiler: Gas in Teasers

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First of all, if you opened a packet of bubble gum and one of them falls down and fucking explodes would you just go 'meh' and pop another one in your mouth?

That depends, isn't that how it feels to chew Five Gum?

I still wouldn't be surprised if Sterling ends up the villain in the end. He seems more like a corruption arc than romance.

I feel like I've been saying this for years!

 

[NachoAndCheez]

That depends, isn't that how it feels to chew Five Gum?

The hell is a five gum?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

The hell is a five gum?

Not a five gum, Five Gum!

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[Gwimmly]

First, the NTR endings on ch13 are supposed to be the NTR epilogues IIRC.

And on the stopping the drugs front, yeah, I've been saying that for a while now, there was a scene all the way back to chapter 1 or 2 where Sterling sleeps with Cath in her room and they just lay down while Cath talks to him about the memories she had with him before he bailed, and it was genuenly sweet (even if by that point that was 100% sibling bonding and I suppose a reazon for Sterling to want to protect his family)... there haven't been many moments like that, moments that feel 100% genuine and by that I mean 'didn't happened because of drugs', the only other scenes I remember like that were a scene were MC and Brenna have a talk under a tree (Brenna stomped on that scene by the end thoug) and when MC reveals to Ophelia that a weirdly big bank deposit just appeared on her account was his doing and Ophelia overwhelmed with joy just looks at him in the eyes, and kisses him, not a deep kiss, not a makeout session, just a sincere kiss, feels weird that that moment stands out in my head as one of the most intimate moments with Ophelia when they were already ass fucking at the time, heck the close up of her relieved face while tearing up is damn sexy.

Spoiler: ophelia

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But yeah, if the ending involves the family going 'ok, let's not stop using this aphrodisiac drugs because it's just too good.' I'm out, entire story ruined for me at that point, that's basically saying that Hunter was right all along, and I'm kinda worried because from the teasers they are still using that shit to spice up the fucking only fans.

And I really REALLY want more romance and tender moments in this game:
I want a moment where Brenna actually feels safe and content with Sterling.
I want a moment where Sterling shares a bit on Cath's enthusiasm with her pregnancy.
I want more moments like the one I showed with Ophelia.
I don't know a moment where Aliza is panicking over a weight gain and Sterling consoles her.
Eva or Amber talking with Sterling and just sincerelly going 'if this hadn't happen, you think we would have been a normal couple?'
Nora and Kira deserved SO MUCH MORE screen time, stranged family forced to take distance over horrid circumstances coming back and recconecting would have been amazing but they were relegated to appear until the second to last chapter. (just cut Rebecca, and Flora, and may God forgive me Amber's family)



First of all, if you opened a packet of bubble gum and one of them falls down and fucking explodes would you just go 'meh' and pop another one in your mouth?

And it was more of a 'are you fucking kidding me?' reaction, and that's because... suspencion of disbelief is wearing kinda thin by this point, I already told you there are a lot of moments that feel really stupid but I'm always just going 'ok, they're heavily drugged' or 'it's ok, it was for a bit, you can act retarded for a joke from time to time' this was the point were no excuse I told myself could justify it. Worst part is that it makes me question the rest of the story 'ok, did the Dev didn't actually thought out this too much, he's actually just putting random scenes just to "justify" scenes he wanted to put in already?'

I agree with everything you are saying. Hopefully WWG ends up taking his time with each epilogue. He has said before that each should only take a month for him to pump out, but that was most likely just him being way too overly optimistic. I don't know how the next cast for his new game will be able to even compete with the girls from PV but i am sure they'll grow on us.

Honestly, the only thing I have against Sterling is how hypocritical and self-righteous he can be. It's not what he does as much as how he judges others for doing the same things.

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Brenna stands out as far as her feelings. I think more than anyone else Brenna and Sterling's relationship, at least from Brenna's side, was beyond the influence of the drugs. Surprisingly, Brenna is actually the sweetheart of the cast. She actually instigates Sterling having sex with her best friend and covers for him to do it with no personal benefit. She's cool about how inappropriate they are about it. She likely could find any guy to do her OF with but chooses Sterling. She never demeans him. She buys him a toy to help with his problem which he then messes up and costs her all her toys. She tolerates him disrespecting her boundaries repeatedly "trying to be the cool older sister" up until he tries to force her to give him a blow job. Then the drugs make her let it go and get over it, and Sterling, knowing exactly why she's acting so strangely, acts like SHE was out of line being upset and cutting him out of the OF stuff and SHE apologizes, lol. And of course, the big one being actually healing his dick again without personal benefit.

She actually always looks out for Sterling, and Catherine and even Ophelia, probably more than any other person in the story and she's the only one that ever seems to act selflessly. Even her worst moments, the clerk and Eileen, are motivated by defending her family (her career actually would potentially benefit from being exposed, but Ophelia and Catherine obviously wouldn't). For some reason, she is the only one that ever seems to be held accountable, though. I mean Catherine, Sterling, and Ophelia all sexually assault her and she never let's them have it. She's the only one genuinely messed up by what she does because of the drugs and feels guilty. Yet, she gets treated worse in story for blackmailing a potential blackmailer and assaulting someone that intended to assault Catherine, among other things. I really don't know why so much bad stuff happens to her, lol.

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Anyway, just about everyone else has an almost entirely self-centered to selfish relationship with each other. Brenna very often acts selflessly. Her biggest issue with Sterling was that he hurt Catherine by leaving...

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So, all this says to me that Brenna cares about Sterling A LOT and it shows up outside of the drugs' influence seemingly no matter how poorly he treats her. Catherine obviously cares about Sterling also but it's really hard to distinguish because she's just too childish and immature and shouldn't be anywhere near sex since she knows nothing about it outside of the drugs influence. But, even she shows more selfless love for Brenna than Sterling does, lol. Brenna doesn't verbally express her affection, and Sterling really ONLY shows it verbally. He never really does anything that isn't completely in his own best interest. It's just that occasionally his best interest is in the interest of others. But when it comes down to his interest being against others wishes he ALWAYS picks himself, especially with Brenna, Ophelia, and Catherine, so it's hard to really see his 'love' for them being anything beyond the pretense any guy puts on when trying to have sex with someone. Even the main driver of the story being that he wanted to protect them really ends up just being he wanted them for himself as he does worse things to each of them than Hunter intended. The only reason the relationships are OK is because they end up not getting mad at him, not because he actually treats them well.

Ultimately I think Sterling probably has the least genuine feelings, even Hunter seems more genuine surprisingly. Brenna definitely. Probably Catherine. Ophelia and Sterling just seem to use each other. Their relationship is basic familial affection, but it rarely seems to be beyond just filling their personal needs although it seems those desires are there without the drugs when you compare them with Brenna or Lucia. Amber probably really does like Sterling, she probably would be more upset with him if the drugs weren't involved. Same with Tiff. Mallory probably would without the drugs as well because she doesn't seem to be acting out of character at all. Even with Eva or Aliza. Lucia is the wildcard. She's surprisingly selfless with helping Sterling but impossible to read otherwise.

I still wouldn't be surprised if Sterling ends up the villain in the end. He seems more like a corruption arc than romance.

The thing is though that i'm pretty sure Sterling is the only male being fed aphrodisiac drugs right? And guys are already horny goblin perverts compared to women right? so imagine how crazy he must feel being on aphrodisiacs when he's already a huge horndog to begin with. I'm not saying what he is doing is right trying to test the girl's boundaries...but damn it has to be tough. I don't see any of the other guy's in the story as compassionate. Hunter has never met the girl's before prior to this nor have any of the other ntr antagonists. Sterling is the only one who has had a loving relationship with the girls that was formed from the very beginning of his life. A clear strong connection. I think the fact that he shot down Hunter's proposal from the very get go shows he cares about the girls. Hunter is okay with passing the girls around like nothing. And you can tell how sorry Sterling is on the day of his return to the house, he tells Brenna that she is right that he wasn't justified in leaving them just because his father always put constant pressure on him. But yeah i do agree there are alot of times Sterling can be selfish, but so is every other character in the story.