But yeah, if the ending involves the family going 'ok, let's not stop using this aphrodisiac drugs because it's just too good.' I'm out, entire story ruined for me at that point, that's basically saying that Hunter was right all along, and I'm kinda worried because from the teasers they are still using that shit to spice up the fucking only fans.
I don't know if I'm the only one to notice that almost all if not all of the "first sex" between Sterling and his family members happened without the influence of the drugs. Catherine fucked Sterling because of the Lindsay Lohan cameo that he managed on her birthday. Brenna and Sterling had sex outside of their home and there was no drug. Amber fucked him after the drugged wine's effects wore off. For Ophelia, I'm not 100% sure but as far as I remember there was no PSHSHSH(vent noises) sounds in that scene.
Now I don't know if the main plot device of the story a.k.a the aphrodisiac drugs would be completely removed in main ending or not but I'd still be okay with it.
Yeah, I just meant if you compare the way Hunter has sex with them in the NTRs to how Sterling does, Hunter, oddly enough, is more compassionate in that he doesn't get off by demeaning them. Neither are being loving, but just by comparison Sterling is clearly more self-centered and for some reason enjoys berating and dominating them.
Hunter's first times are way worse than Sterlings. He literaly raped Brenna in one of the bad endings by drugging pretending to be sterling than drugging her so badly that she couldn't even tell the two apart. He was also just saying whatever lines Sterling fed him. That's what all his scenes are. He drugs them to the point they can't focus properly then take advantage of them.
And you can't say that Sterling knows about the drugs because he doesn't. He knows about some of them which is why he dumps out any food or drinks that hunter makes, but he had no idea about the vents until someone told him Hunter fixed it and it's not like sterling is immune to the vents either. And the reason why he didn't tell anyone else about the drugs is because he had no proof. And honestly I can't really think of any time Sterling treats his family members poorly ever. I don't remeber Brenna ever having depression. And the only time he messed up with Ophelia he apologized for it later and that was before they started having sex. When does he ever berate them? It's almost like your playing a different game because half the stuff you've said I don't remember ever happening. I don't remember Sterling ever being mean to Brenna or mistreating her and that seems ot be the thing you're mostly hung up about. And the only scenes I remember Sterling having while he knew the girls were drugged where both early in game and leads to ntr scenes with Hunter when Sterling refuses
And you can't say that Sterling knows about the drugs because he doesn't. He knows about some of them which is why he dumps out any food or drinks that hunter makes, but he had no idea about the vents until someone told him Hunter fixed it and it's not like sterling is immune to the vents either.
That's a good point I forgot how Sterling actively tries to remove any drugs on his sight. But in the latest chapters he kind of voluntarily takes the "truth gas" drug in kumiko-chatherine threesome scene and lucia scene iirc.
That's a good point I forgot how Sterling actively tries to remove any drugs on his sight. But in the latest chapters he kind of voluntarily takes the "truth gas" drug in kumiko-chatherine threesome scene and lucia scene iirc.
Sterling didn't even know that Cathrine was going to be there. He only agreed to take the truth gas because Kumiko asked him too. He had no way of knowing it would lead to a threesome or sex at all. Kumiko also wasn't supposed to take the drug and she never ate anythng hunter gave her so she wasn't drugged to his knowing. Only reason anything happened in that scene at all is because of Catherine. I don't think Sterling has sex with anyone while he knows they were drugged
Sterling didn't even know that Cathrine was going to be there. He only agreed to take the truth gas because Kumiko asked him too. He had no way of knowing it would lead to a threesome or sex at all. Kumiko also wasn't supposed to take the drug and she never ate anythng hunter gave her so she wasn't drugged to his knowing. Only reason anything happened in that scene at all is because of Catherine. I don't think Sterling has sex with anyone while he knows they were drugged
And the vents, when they were having their little Q and A they were just going to 'how old are you?' 'if someone shoot me would you take the bullet?' then the vents happened and bam all sex questions.
And let's not forget, much earlier Kumiko got the gas treatment when checking Ophelia for the foot orgasm and she ended up finger banging her analy... without any concent.
I agree with you completely that Hunter is awful to the girls, but everything that makes him awful Sterling is also guilty of. Sterling does more on top of those things that are awful. That's likely because we get to see more of his behavior and thoughts but nonetheless we never get to see that from Hunter even in the NTRs. It's not that Hunter is 'good' by any means, it was just to counter the point that Sterling is a hero or a victim.
However, I agree with you on that Sterling is indeed a hypocrite and faces no real consequence for juggling so many women. And if he does gets caught, the drugs that he hates so much not only just saves him but also turns the whole situation on his favor.
Honestly I don't think it's really a problem that he juggles the women as they do not really have a problem with it. It's that he thinks they will and so he lies to them to manipulate them. Also, he forces himself on some of them knowing that they're drugged, conceals the danger they're in for no good reason, and makes them feel guilty when they get mad at him for forcing himself on them. He has some of the most date-rapey lines to Brenna and Ophelia like he doesn't actually see what was wrong with what he did. He also lies about Catherine when he gets exposed.
Honestly, none of the characters in this game is portrayed as a perfect character and I’m fine with that. Everyone has their own flaws and that is good writing in this game.
Yeah, the problem, or more of a caution, I have with the writing is that it's morally inconsistent because of Sterling's hypocrisy. The only times I've seen that in games the author was setting you up. Like the twist at the end is that you're the bad guy and it points out how horrible all the things you do for sex are. Trolling the degenerates. It's hinted at various times when they call out how horrible it would be if someone were to do a thing, but Sterling is doing all of those things, lol.
Goodbye Eternity is the first game I can think of that trolled the player like this. Similarly you didn't even have a way around it. I'm not sure if this author is doing that, they may genuinely not think Sterling is messed up but it would be surprising because of how on the nose they call all the behavior out.
Yeah, it was missing context sorry. This train of thought started many pages ago. I do not think Hunter is genuine although it seems like the conclusion of chapter 12 is supposed to imply that.... What he does is completely messed up. The point was to compare someone that people were saying was sympathetic directly to someone that they know is messed up. They do the same things (manipulate girls into having sex with them), and we actually see Sterling doing worse although I'm sure Hunter would probably be just as bad.
The point is not that Hunter was good by any means, just that I do not see how people think Sterling is. But, you're right, I do not really think he is genuine, or even knows how to be.
I think they BOTH may believe that the ends justify the means. They have to force the girls but if they're happier in the end then it was a good thing... which is... yikes... but I can at least see that they may genuinely believe that. It's just that Sterling knows that Hunter is wrong so it condemns him while Hunter doesn't find anything wrong with what Sterling is doing and even encourages him. That's why Sterling ends up being a hypocrite on top of being awful while Hunter is just awful.
And the vents, when they were having their little Q and A they were just going to 'how old are you?' 'if someone shoot me would you take the bullet?' then the vents happened and bam all sex questions.
And let's not forget, much earlier Kumiko got the gas treatment when checking Ophelia for the foot orgasm and she ended up finger banging her analy... without any concent.
Right. Sterling had no idea the vents were doing anything until someone mentioned to him that it started making weird noises after hunter fixed the vents. The only time sterling had sex with anyone while they were drugged was when Sterling didn't know they were drugged. Like the scene with Flora where her and Ophelia drank some wine hunter gave them that Sterling didn't know about.
I still don't recall when Sterling was ever berated anyone other than when Lucia told him too.
Alright then you convinced me. As the hero of the story who has always loved the girls, Sterling should definitely be cut some slack I think it was said that he never really felt anything sexual towards the girls before he left the household right? I mean even if he did it wouldn't change anything I guess since he never acted on any of those thoughts. This is why I can't wait to see the the epilogues. Surely WWG is going to remove the drugs from the equation right? So that it shows us a more unartificial type of love/lust relationship between them all. But I will say that as an NTR enjoyer as well, I'd like to see some ntr epilogues for the antagonists where the girls weren't under the effects of the drugs any longer yet they still ended up doing shit with Hunter. Yeah I get it, the only thing holding them together is the crazy horniness that the drug provides. That's what i guess the what ifs are for though right lol. But yeah Sterling has it in the bag, he's the only one who has formed real loving relationships with all of the girls throughout his whole life. Without the aphrodisiacs being ingested any longer(even if there was to be some lingering long-term side effects from them) I think the love shared between them will overide everything else. Love finally being the frontrunner instead of lust. Sure they might want to get dirty once in a while but hey that's okay.
Edit: Also how dare the girls gawk at the new strapping young household member!! I dont give a shit if they were under the influence!! Brenna I frigging loved you, you damn whoreee!!!
you know steve rogers from captain america and bucky barns they have super soldier serum and they became bulk and change personality except for the brainwash thingy from bucky its like that for MC he is slowly becoming someone who he isn't xD ...
Hunter's first times are way worse than Sterlings. He literaly raped Brenna in one of the bad endings by drugging pretending to be sterling than drugging her so badly that she couldn't even tell the two apart. He was also just saying whatever lines Sterling fed him. That's what all his scenes are. He drugs them to the point they can't focus properly then take advantage of them.
True, that! I was literally just referring to affection specifically. Sterling is ironically more "red pill-ish" about sex with them demeaning and dominating them. It was just in context of the idea that somehow Sterling has this deep romantic and special attachment to them when it never really shows up at all in how he treats them. He just says what any guy trying to seduce a girl would say but his actions are always him first and let the girls deal with the fallout. Hunter is objectively awful, but I don't see how people think Sterling is good.
And you can't say that Sterling knows about the drugs because he doesn't. He knows about some of them which is why he dumps out any food or drinks that hunter makes, but he had no idea about the vents until someone told him Hunter fixed it and it's not like sterling is immune to the vents either. And the reason why he didn't tell anyone else about the drugs is because he had no proof. And honestly I can't really think of any time Sterling treats his family members poorly ever. I don't remeber Brenna ever having depression. And the only time he messed up with Ophelia he apologized for it later and that was before they started having sex. When does he ever berate them? It's almost like your playing a different game because half the stuff you've said I don't remember ever happening. I don't remember Sterling ever being mean to Brenna or mistreating her and that seems ot be the thing you're mostly hung up about. And the only scenes I remember Sterling having while he knew the girls were drugged where both early in game and leads to ntr scenes with Hunter when Sterling refuses
Yeah! I felt like I was playing a different game too, lol. I played through an entire second time to see because I was only at about ch. 9 when I saw the conversation here that Brenna was treating Sterling poorly and I was shocked because Brenna seemed to treat him and everyone better than anyone else in the story. Everyone else it's hard to see around the drugs or their own personal desires, but Brenna frequently does things that just benefit Sterling and go against what she would want.
But, yeah, going through it again, Sterling definitely knows about the drugs and hormones. Warning, this will probably take long enough to get through for Ch 13 and GTA 6 to come out:
This is all on top of the actual explicit things Sterling "this-is-my-chance" Archer (he is based on that character, right?) did to her. All made worse by the knowing about Hunter's tampering and lying about it, like fingering her butt, trying to force her to give him a blow job, trying to get her to slip into sex and cumming inside her. He just really never does anything 'heroic' to her or that shows any care beyond she's his sister. He certainly doesn't hate her, but all of his activity towards her are just trying to have sex. He might be confused that that's love, but his actions make it clear he doesn't really care about her if it costs him anything.
She's the best example because the others, Ophelia and Catherine especially, are pretty much equally self-centered through most of the story and don't really have anything bad actually happen to them. Brenna gets victimized the most, looks out for everyone else the most, and does the most things that actually are completely against her own best interest or just out of love for Sterling. Catherine being second in this in how she treats Brenna well overall, she's just obviously too immature and inexperienced to be around sex while drugged and probably really does not think that what she did to Brenna was wrong. So when people said Brenna was the bad guy and Sterling was the victim I was shocked like "are we really reading the same story?" That's why her relationship with him specifically was the focus. I would love to be wrong because I hate when I don't like the MC, but unless I'm missing some context on all this stuff or missed a chapter... he's kinda awful.
True, that! I was literally just referring to affection specifically. Sterling is ironically more "red pill-ish" about sex with them demeaning and dominating them. It was just in context of the idea that somehow Sterling has this deep romantic and special attachment to them when it never really shows up at all in how he treats them. He just says what any guy trying to seduce a girl would say but his actions are always him first and let the girls deal with the fallout. Hunter is objectively awful, but I don't see how people think Sterling is good.
Yeah! I felt like I was playing a different game too, lol. I played through an entire second time to see because I was only at about ch. 9 when I saw the conversation here that Brenna was treating Sterling poorly and I was shocked because Brenna seemed to treat him and everyone better than anyone else in the story. Everyone else it's hard to see around the drugs or their own personal desires, but Brenna frequently does things that just benefit Sterling and go against what she would want.
But, yeah, going through it again, Sterling definitely knows about the drugs and hormones. Warning, this will probably take long enough to get through for Ch 13 and GTA 6 to come out:
This is all on top of the actual explicit things Sterling "this-is-my-chance" Archer (he is based on that character, right?) did to her. All made worse by the knowing about Hunter's tampering and lying about it, like fingering her butt, trying to force her to give him a blow job, trying to get her to slip into sex and cumming inside her. He just really never does anything 'heroic' to her or that shows any care beyond she's his sister. He certainly doesn't hate her, but all of his activity towards her are just trying to have sex. He might be confused that that's love, but his actions make it clear he doesn't really care about her if it costs him anything.
She's the best example because the others, Ophelia and Catherine especially, are pretty much equally self-centered through most of the story and don't really have anything bad actually happen to them. Brenna gets victimized the most, looks out for everyone else the most, and does the most things that actually are completely against her own best interest or just out of love for Sterling. Catherine being second in this in how she treats Brenna well overall, she's just obviously too immature and inexperienced to be around sex while drugged and probably really does not think that what she did to Brenna was wrong. So when people said Brenna was the bad guy and Sterling was the victim I was shocked like "are we really reading the same story?" That's why her relationship with him specifically was the focus. I would love to be wrong because I hate when I don't like the MC, but unless I'm missing some context on all this stuff or missed a chapter... he's kinda awful.
A huge part of the girl's boundaries is the incestual aspect right? Sterling is the only man in their lives that is there for them emotionally. He wants to be the one there for them physically as well, but the girl's(even under the influence) are still keeping up their guard since he is family. Sterling might be pushing the boundaries a bit too much at certain times(like when he pushed Brenna's head down) but remember he is under the influence as well and IS a young man with raging goblin tier hormones coursing through his veins He HAS to be the initiator if he ever wants to form a physical relationship with the girls. Or he can not do anything and wait for Hunter or some other guy to come along and take advantage of these women who are on superdoses of lab grade aphrodisiacs. Hunter will drug them even more and take advantage of them in that state. Or some random dude will come along and use them. He doesn't have to worry about that incestual aspect at all, and the girls will jump on him at first sight because they are so damn horny. I mean look at Brenna she is a literal sex addict who spends all day in bed humping her toys Lol. Now yeah I get it that we could all agree that Sterling could of just told everyone what Hunter was doing from the very get go and that's what most people would have done in real life, but that doesn't mean it would have been the better thing to do. Sterling didn't know how powerful Hunter truly was in the beginning. He didn't know all of the tricks he had up his sleeve, he thought he was just some crazy old man. Plus Hunter was blackmailing them just as Kevin had and who knows where he kept all that blackmail data stored at. This is why Sterling had to obey Hunter's every command in a lot of the bad ends(Sterling having to watch inside the wall, him having to go inside the female robot etc.) So the looming threat was always there. Especially more so the more Sterling finds out to what lengths Hunter would go to get what he wants. So all in all I would agree yes Sterling is a horny bastard who is using this whole drug opportunity to break down the girl's barriers but again he is the only one who truly loves and cares for the girls. It's pretty much the biggest goal that the MC wants to achieve. TOTAL WINCEST HAREM smh what a sicko this guy is am I right?
He does know, he tells Lucia that what Hunter is doing is part of the reason he's able to have sex with everyone when Lucia asks how it happened because Ophelia was such a prude.
He knows that they're being drugged and that he's being drugged which is why he bulked up. He doesnt know how or when they're are being drugged and he actively tries to remove any drugs whenever he finds them.
These three are related so I put them together. His proof was the tooth. He just used it to gaslight Brenna for some reason instead of telling her someone was drugging her. Even if he couldn't prove it was Hunter she KNEW she was under the influence of something because she couldn't see straight, knew she punched someone, and knew it was not Sterling because of the tooth. She spirals from that point because Sterling lies to her. When Sterling comes to see her looking up astral projection, he STILL doesn't tell her. He could have gotten Lucia to confirm it, shown her the food he was throwing away, the cameras, the robot, the diary, told her about Ophelia's lactating and connected it to her hairy bush. Instead he lets her think she's going crazy even suggesting it.
She doesn't know it's not Sterling. That's why she starts to freak out when he shows her his tooth. Sterling can't explain what happened because he has nothing strong enough to lead it back to Hunter. As for saying Sterling cold hae shown her the diary, the robot ect. He does to that. He just does it later once he feels like he's gathered enough evidece. That's literally one of the last things that happens in chapter 12. Sterling presents all the evidence he collects to try to expose Hunter and Hunter still almost ends up getting away with it and blame everything on Sterling. I really don't see how Sterling is somehow in the wrong for lying to Brenna here. He has a good reason for lying and tells the truth once he's actualy able too.
Sterling has no idea about Brenna kissing Sterling and I don't really see why that would be his fault anyway or how you can even try and link the event to Sterling lying to Brenna. Both this and the hotel Clerk thing you ring up later seem completely unrelated to the whole thing and even if they connected Sterling isn't responsible for how Brenna handles the news or her actions for it. I really don't see why you are blaming Sterling for anything that happened here at all.
Then the vents kick in. While Sterling is fine pushing past Lucia's boundaries like he doesn't know Hunter's out there. Lucia is like "SOMETHING IS WRONG... I shouldn't feel like this..." Instead of seeing that as a red flag because there's a predator in the house, Sterling's like "Weeeeeeeeeeeelllll, I'm sure it's fine, let's just have sex."
Lucia already knows Hunter is drugging everyone and is Sterling's ally in the whole thing. If you're blaming Sterling for not figuring out something is wrong youd have to blame Lucia for the same reason and there both effected by the events. I also don't think saying "I shouldn't feel this way" is a red flag given that we've already established Lucia is weird and the "can't feel this way" part refers to Lucia wanting to have sex with Sterling while awake instead of molesting him in his sleep like she had been doing.
No he's not. You just decided that Sterling lying about the tooth was somehow the catalyist for everything Brenna has ever done for some reason. Brenna is pissed at Eileen and is lashing out at everything around here it has nothing to do with the tooth and I don't know why you are trying to forcibly connect the two events. Brenna hasn't even shown that she's even still upset or thinking about the tooth you keep getting upset for Sterling not telling Brenna the truth when does tell her the truth and he has a good reason for not telling her on the spot. How is that hypocritical at all and why are you blaming sterling for all this stuff? It just seems like weird leaps of logic like with the Lucia vent thing.
Again I don't know why you are blaming sterling for anything that happened here. You just decided on your own that Brenna was destroyed mentally by the tooth incident for whateer reason.
A huge part of the girl's boundaries is the incestual aspect right? Sterling is the only man in their lives that is there for them emotionally. He wants to be the one there for them physically as well, but the girl's(even under the influence) are still keeping up their guard since he is family. Sterling might be pushing the boundaries a bit too much at certain times(like when he pushed Brenna's head down) but remember he is under the influence as well and IS a young man with raging goblin tier hormones coursing through his veins He HAS to be the initiator if he ever wants to form a physical relationship with the girls. Or he can not do anything and wait for Hunter or some other guy to come along and take advantage of these women who are on superdoses of lab grade aphrodisiacs. Hunter will drug them even more and take advantage of them in that state. Or some random dude will come along and use them. He doesn't have to worry about that incestual aspect at all, and the girls will jump on him at first sight because they are so damn horny. I mean look at Brenna she is a literal sex addict who spends all day in bed humping her toys Lol. Now yeah I get it that we could all agree that Sterling could of just told everyone what Hunter was doing from the very get go and that's what most people would have done in real life, but that doesn't happen here. But then again Sterling didn't know how powerful Hunter truly was in the beginning. He didn't know all of the tricks he had up his sleeve, he thought he was just some crazy old man. Plus Hunter was blackmailing them just as Kevin had and who knows where he kept all that blackmail data stored at. This is why Sterling had to obey Hunter's every command in a lot of the bad ends(Sterling having to watch inside the wall, him having to go inside the female robot etc.) So the looming threat was always there. Especially more so the more Sterling finds out to what lengths Hunter would go to get what he wants. So all in all I would agree yes Sterling is a horny bastard who is using this whole drug opportunity to break down the girl's barriers but again he is the only one who truly loves and cares for the girls. It's pretty much the biggest goal that the MC wants to achieve. TOTAL WINCEST HAREM smh what a sicko this guy is am I right?
I'm with you. The irony is that the incest and the harem are the least of the problematic behavior. The drugs are the ONLY moral problem.
I agree with you with everything else. The girls barely have any problem with incest. I don't even think they need to have a special bond with Sterling, they're just all horny freaks. They don't even have a problem being a harem.
It's just the drugs that make it impossible for Sterling to pursue them without being a monster and the game seems to focus on how morally wrong it is to seduce girls with drugs... I just don't get why it does that. Even if Sterling couldn't expose Hunter, the drugs leave no "right" way for Sterling to seduce. And he only gets worse by keeping it from them and seducing them anyway. It's like a stack of the worst possible options.
I'm with you. The irony is that the incest and the harem are the least of the problematic behavior. The drugs are the ONLY moral problem.
I agree with you with everything else. The girls barely have any problem with incest. I don't even think they need to have a special bond with Sterling, they're just all horny freaks. They don't even have a problem being a harem.
It's just the drugs that make it impossible for Sterling to pursue them without being a monster and the game seems to focus on how morally wrong it is to seduce girls with drugs... I just don't get why it does that. Even if Sterling couldn't expose Hunter, the drugs leave no "right" way for Sterling to seduce. And he only gets worse by keeping it from them and seducing them anyway. It's like a stack of the worst possible options.
I do wonder what would have happened if the drugs were never introduced? Would there have ever been a chance that Sterling could have formed a sexual relationship with Ophelia or any of the other girls like his father David had with Nora? Until that little shit Drew came into the equation of course and i am still convinced Hunter helped Drew during that time with aphrodisiacs as well, but there's no proof so.
